China is close to Russia, but it has looked to Ukraine for military technology

[CAPRICORN-88]

To be fair to Vietnam, they actually defended well, especially considering they were the weaker side facing a stronger China. In fact, Vietnam was even fighting China while facing a two front war, since their major forces were also engaged in their invasion and occupation of Cambodia . Its actually a very good performance from them fighting a big country like China while still invading and occupying Cambodia. For a smaller poorer country their performance was actually commendable since China couldn't make them pull out of Cambodia and protect China's then ally Polpot whose regime was overthrown by the Vietnamese forces.
So I wouldn't say it was a defeat for Vietnam either. War can be unpredictable at times when it comes to victory , especially when you are the invading party , its not a given that you will always prevail even if you are the stronger Party, since the inheritance side fighting at home knows terrain better and can fight for longer, facing less logistics problems, moral etc. Russias invasion of Ukraine shows this yet again as well.

All is fair in LOVE and WAR. So the saying goes.

But war in Asia is always brutal and cruel.
100 million Asians lost their lives and many their heads as well during WW2.

Yes. The Vietnamese defenders have NO chance to even repell in the face of a mighty opponent.

Example.
If one only see artillery shells but not the enemies, the only one the Vietnamese will get to see is the almighty and without their shoes.

I was following the event of whole war from the day it started till it ended.
But I am pretty proud of the fact, even then I was able to filter the truth from make belief. A usual trick employed by Vietnamese during NAM.

The conclusion, the Vietnamese defenders were decimated by heavy and precision shelling by artilleries and rockets.

Not much of a war. Yes. And it was unfair and the Russian protector did not turned up.
One of the objective of the Chinese Military achieved.

Just like what I am doing now trying to pick up the piece of information and filtering the news about the war in Ukraine esp. the fighting around Mariupol and the non event at Kiev.

90% of what is currently reported are fake and not corroborated.

 

[MH.Yang]

To be fair to Vietnam, they actually defended well, especially considering they were the weaker side facing a stronger China. In fact, Vietnam was even fighting China while facing a two front war, since their major forces were also engaged in their invasion and occupation of Cambodia . Its actually a very good performance from them fighting a big country like China while still invading and occupying Cambodia. For a smaller poorer country their performance was actually commendable since China couldn't make them pull out of Cambodia and protect China's then ally Polpot whose regime was overthrown by the Vietnamese forces.
So I wouldn't say it was a defeat for Vietnam either. War can be unpredictable at times when it comes to victory , especially when you are the invading party , its not a given that you will always prevail even if you are the stronger Party, since the inheritance side fighting at home knows terrain better and can fight for longer, facing less logistics problems, moral etc. Russias invasion of Ukraine shows this yet again as well.

First, China's strategic goal is not to save Pol Pot, but to prevent Vietnam from annexing Laos and Cambodia. The Vietnamese wanted to establish the Indochina Federation, and China's government succeeded in stopping it.

Secondly, you misunderstood the relationship between the Chinese government and Pol Pot. China supports Cambodian King Sihanouk, who formed a tripartite coalition government with song Shuang and the Khmer Rouge. This does not mean that China supports Pol Pot.

 

[Han Patriot]

First, China's strategic goal is not to save Pol Pot, but to prevent Vietnam from annexing Laos and Cambodia. The Vietnamese wanted to establish the Indochina Federation, and China's government succeeded in stopping it.

Secondly, you misunderstood the relationship between the Chinese government and Pol Pot. China supports Cambodian King Sihanouk, who formed a tripartite coalition government with song Shuang and the Khmer Rouge. This does not mean that China supports Pol Pot.

Yup the khmer kroms tried to establish a brown empire down south, we invaded to stop them.

 

[Nan Yang]

Lool yeah, using your logic, I can also agree with many people that say foreign powers with a stake in urgur crisis should support uygurs separatists against Chinese genocide. Lol Too bad that China is big, united and strong today, else you will be facing the same situation as Ukraine today like you did in the past against Japan, Russia and Western powers.. Ukraine's only fault of that she is too weak compared to Russia. This world is made for the strong and the strong decide who or what is wrong or right.
Morality is just an excuse to be honest.

In fact we can also use that logic to carve out Malaysiaand Indonesia, afterall, many ethnic chinese have been suppressed, killed, genocide and discriminated against in Malaysia and Indonesia and its public knowledge. You guys are lucky the han Chinese are passive and docile compared to a more imperial warlike country like Russia, else your countries would have been carved out long ago by China to protect ethnic Chinese from genocide .

I can guess where you get your news from.

There is zero proof of any genocide in Xinjiang. No mass refugees, no mass graves, no pictures of dead Uighurs. Heck Xinjiang is even open for tourists until the pandemic.

But the war in East Ukraine is real.
Not from me but from United Nations itself.

Quote
"OHCHR estimates the total number of conflict-related casualties in Ukraine...at 40,000-43,000" from April 14, 2014 to January 31, 2019, the statement said, including "12,800-13,000 killed."

The estimated death toll also includes 4,000 members of Ukrainian forces and 5,500 "armed groups," the OHCHR document said.

OHCHR estimates the total number of people wounded at 27,500 to 30,000, including 7,000 to 9,000 civilians.
End Quote.

There were also Russia speaking Ukrainians refugees fleeing to Russia.
Go check it out yourself.

 

[MajesticPug]

China is close to Russia, but it has looked to Ukraine for military technology​

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China is close to Russia, but it has looked to Ukraine for military tech

Former Soviet republic supplied the PLA Navy’s first aircraft carrier, missile systems and a fighter jet prototype.

www.scmp.com

This is a lot of BULL**** based on 'historical' facts that are no longer relevant and TRUE. Putting this in perspective analogy, Ukraine was closer to Russia in the past than Ukraine to China. Then so what? Remember the Orange Revolution in 2004? It forcefully removed Ukraine's democratically elected leadership and turned Ukraine into the West's pawn to threaten Russia and choke the technology transfer to China. Now that Russia felt its existence threatened by Ukraine joining a gang that's very unfriendly, should China still hold the same warmth towards Ukraine after Ukraine unilaterally torn to pieces the Motor Sich contract and stole $450 millions from China on US order.

It's Ukraine's choice to be the American lapdog, but don't blame the others treating Ukraine as such.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I can guess where you get your news from.

There is zero proof of any genocide in Xinjiang. No mass refugees, no mass graves, no pictures of dead Uighurs. Heck Xinjiang is even open for tourists until the pandemic.

But the war in East Ukraine is real.
Not from me but from United Nations itself.

Quote
"OHCHR estimates the total number of conflict-related casualties in Ukraine...at 40,000-43,000" from April 14, 2014 to January 31, 2019, the statement said, including "12,800-13,000 killed."

The estimated death toll also includes 4,000 members of Ukrainian forces and 5,500 "armed groups," the OHCHR document said.

OHCHR estimates the total number of people wounded at 27,500 to 30,000, including 7,000 to 9,000 civilians.
End Quote.

There were also Russia speaking Ukrainians refugees fleeing to Russia.
Go check it out yourself.

Many Ukrainians are also denying those allegations you just mentioned. Just like China denies all genocide allegations in Uygur region.
Anyway, I was just using that guys logic, since he was using accusation of genocide of ethnic Russians to justify Russias invasion like Putin does. If we use that excuse as a legal base for invasion then over half of the world will be at war today. Lol

 

[mike2000 is back]

First, China's strategic goal is not to save Pol Pot, but to prevent Vietnam from annexing Laos and Cambodia. The Vietnamese wanted to establish the Indochina Federation, and China's government succeeded in stopping it.

Secondly, you misunderstood the relationship between the Chinese government and Pol Pot. China supports Cambodian King Sihanouk, who formed a tripartite coalition government with song Shuang and the Khmer Rouge. This does not mean that China supports Pol Pot.

Wrong again. It was never a policy of the Vietnamese communist government to annex Cambodia and Laos into Vietnam, I don't know where you pull that one from. Lool. Show me where the Vietnam communist Parry said they wanted to annex Cambodia and laos and make it part of Vietnam? There is zero evidence of that.
There are obviously some Vietnamese ultra nationalists who want that just like in every country , you find people like that, but that doesn't means its government policy.. just like there are some people in China who want outer manchuria that was taken by Russia and Mongolia(which they call outer Mongolia) back, or people in India who want part of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, bengladesh to be part of India etc. However that's not government policy .

The Vietnamese government according to declassified documents from Eastern Germany at the time, wanted to get rid of Pol Pot and to get a sympathetic government in Phnom Penh. Since they wanted a government friendly to Vietnam which they deemed as absolutely essential to the security of Vietnam.
In fact starting from 1977, the Khmer Rouge conducted cross border raids into Vietnam, killing thousands of Vietnamese civilians. Khmer Rouge leaders spoke openly of wanting to conquer historically Khmer lands in what is modern Vietnam etc. This put Vietnams government in a predicament , since they were already facing political and border issues with China. So they didn't want to be surrounded by another hostile government sympathetic to China in their western flank . So they devised a policy to removed the pol pot regime and replace it with a Vietnamese friendly government which they can better control. In this regard they succeeded in their goal. China's invasion couldn't make them pull out of Cambodia as China intended .
Funny enough, what made them remove their troops over a decade later from Cambodia (eventhough they maintained their puppet Hun sen as president to this day. Lol ) was the fall of the soviet Union and the need to normalise relations with the west and also Asean, since they were isolated and couldn't even trade due to severe Western sanctions.

You should read about that more about that and the declassified documents which explains this.

Why Did Vietnam Overthrow the Khmer Rouge in 1978? - Khmer Times

PHNOM PENH Aug. 7 (Khmer Times) – For historians, a black hole yawns in modern Cambodian history. This is the decade after Vietnamese troops expelled the Khmer Rouge from Phnom Penh, on January 7, 1979. For another 10 years, Cambodia was run virtually as a Vietnamese colony, until September...

www.khmertimeskh.com

Is anything happening in Xinjiang to the Uyghur now or it is just a lie, a tall tales told endless time and invented by BBC and in the West started by German Adrian Zenz?

Stop drawing the parallel taking a cue from the Pyschometric Program used by Cambridge Analytica.
Divide and rule was invented by the British Colonialist in asserting their controls and rules among the natives in the occupied colonies.

Genocide??? The most misused word in the modern dictionary.

When the Uyghur population in Xinjiang has multiple by 4X
versus
Red Indians in America which has gone from 5 millions when the White immigrate to the new world and now barely 500,000.

That is where real genocide occurred.

Ahhahaah because its concerns your country of origin China , its all lies now yeah? Why should we believe just your version and not that of Ukraine ? Lol Ukraine government is claiming the same thing as China , I.e that they are merely fighting against separatists and terrorists trying to destabilise the territorial intergrity of their country. Sounds familiar to what the Chinese government claims as well no?
So why don't you support Ukraine government getting rid of separatists and terrorists trying to divide the country? Lol but you support the Chinese government doing the same against Uygurs separatists right ?

 

[MH.Yang]

Wrong again. It was never a policy of the Vietnamese communist government to annex Cambodia and Laos into Vietnam, I don't know where you pull that one from. Lool. Show me where the Vietnam communist Parry said they wanted to annex Cambodia and laos and make it part of Vietnam? There is zero evidence of that.
There are obviously some Vietnamese ultra nationalists who want that just like in every country , you find people like that, but that doesn't means its government policy.. just like there are some people in China who want outer manchuria that was taken by Russia and Mongolia(which they call outer Mongolia) back, or people in India who want part of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, bengladesh to be part of India etc. However that's not government policy .

The Vietnamese government according to declassified documents from Eastern Germany at the time, wanted to get rid of Pol Pot and to get a sympathetic government in Phnom Penh. Since they wanted a government friendly to Vietnam which they deemed as absolutely essential to the security of Vietnam.
In fact starting from 1977, the Khmer Rouge conducted cross border raids into Vietnam, killing thousands of Vietnamese civilians. Khmer Rouge leaders spoke openly of wanting to conquer historically Khmer lands in what is modern Vietnam etc. This put Vietnams government in a predicament , since they were already facing political and border issues with China. So they didn't want to be surrounded by another hostile government sympathetic to China in their western flank . So they devised a policy to removed the pol pot regime and replace it with a Vietnamese friendly government which they can better control. In this regard they succeeded in their goal. China's invasion couldn't make them pull out of Cambodia as China intended .
Funny enough, what made them remove their troops over a decade later from Cambodia (eventhough they maintained their puppet Hun sen as president to this day. Lol ) was the fall of the soviet Union and the need to normalise relations with the west and also Asean, since they were isolated and couldn't even trade due to severe Western sanctions.

You should read about that more about that and the declassified documents which explains this.

Why Did Vietnam Overthrow the Khmer Rouge in 1978? - Khmer Times

PHNOM PENH Aug. 7 (Khmer Times) – For historians, a black hole yawns in modern Cambodian history. This is the decade after Vietnamese troops expelled the Khmer Rouge from Phnom Penh, on January 7, 1979. For another 10 years, Cambodia was run virtually as a Vietnamese colony, until September...

www.khmertimeskh.com

Ahhahaah because its concerns your country of origin China , its all lies now yeah? Why should we believe just your version and not that of Ukraine ? Lol Ukraine government is claiming the same thing as China , I.e that they are merely fighting against separatists and terrorists trying to destabilise the territorial intergrity of their country. Sounds familiar to what the Chinese government claims as well no?
So why don't you support Ukraine government getting rid of separatists and terrorists trying to divide the country? Lol but you support the Chinese government doing the same against Uygurs separatists right ?

Historically, the Vietnamese have always wanted to annex Laos and Cambodia. This is their long-term national policy. In 1975, the Vietnamese government forcibly dispatched 5000 consultants to Laos, almost completely controlling the politics and military of Laos. On July 18, 1977, Vietnam forced the Lao government to sign a 25 year Treaty on the establishment of dependency relations. This gave Vietnam the theoretical basis for annexing Laos. The treaty also enabled the Chinese government to prepare for war.

In 1978, the Vietnamese government launched a war of aggression against Cambodia. So China decided to send troops to prevent the Vietnamese government from forming the Indochina Federation.

After China's Vietnam War in 1979, China destroyed all the industrial bases in northern Vietnam. We blew up all railways, roads and bridges, and even we didn't leave a telegraph pole. We destroyed everything we could, and then we withdrew our troops. This is China's war theory.

The Chinese do not fight security war, but only destroy the war potential. The Vietnamese completely lost their war potential. They lack men. In the worst period, the ratio of men to p
women is 1:7. They lacked any industrial capacity, industries aided by the Soviet Union were completely destroyed, and Vietnam became an agricultural country.

The Chinese Army's war theory is to destroy without occupying. We left North Korea, we left India, and we left Vietnam. This is our consistent policy of using the army, which does not mean that our war has failed.
China's war theory pursues victory without war. Even if it needs to start a war, it will try not to occupy the territory of other countries. China will not occupy Iraq and Afghanistan for decades like the United States, China's war theory holds that such behavior is very stupid.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Wrong again. It was never a policy of the Vietnamese communist government to annex Cambodia and Laos into Vietnam, I don't know where you pull that one from. Lool. Show me where the Vietnam communist Parry said they wanted to annex Cambodia and laos and make it part of Vietnam? There is zero evidence of that.
There are obviously some Vietnamese ultra nationalists who want that just like in every country , you find people like that, but that doesn't means its government policy.. just like there are some people in China who want outer manchuria that was taken by Russia and Mongolia(which they call outer Mongolia) back, or people in India who want part of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, bengladesh to be part of India etc. However that's not government policy .

The Vietnamese government according to declassified documents from Eastern Germany at the time, wanted to get rid of Pol Pot and to get a sympathetic government in Phnom Penh. Since they wanted a government friendly to Vietnam which they deemed as absolutely essential to the security of Vietnam.
In fact starting from 1977, the Khmer Rouge conducted cross border raids into Vietnam, killing thousands of Vietnamese civilians. Khmer Rouge leaders spoke openly of wanting to conquer historically Khmer lands in what is modern Vietnam etc. This put Vietnams government in a predicament , since they were already facing political and border issues with China. So they didn't want to be surrounded by another hostile government sympathetic to China in their western flank . So they devised a policy to removed the pol pot regime and replace it with a Vietnamese friendly government which they can better control. In this regard they succeeded in their goal. China's invasion couldn't make them pull out of Cambodia as China intended .
Funny enough, what made them remove their troops over a decade later from Cambodia (eventhough they maintained their puppet Hun sen as president to this day. Lol ) was the fall of the soviet Union and the need to normalise relations with the west and also Asean, since they were isolated and couldn't even trade due to severe Western sanctions.

You should read about that more about that and the declassified documents which explains this.

Why Did Vietnam Overthrow the Khmer Rouge in 1978? - Khmer Times

PHNOM PENH Aug. 7 (Khmer Times) – For historians, a black hole yawns in modern Cambodian history. This is the decade after Vietnamese troops expelled the Khmer Rouge from Phnom Penh, on January 7, 1979. For another 10 years, Cambodia was run virtually as a Vietnamese colony, until September...

www.khmertimeskh.com

Ahhahaah because its concerns your country of origin China , its all lies now yeah? Why should we believe just your version and not that of Ukraine ? Lol Ukraine government is claiming the same thing as China , I.e that they are merely fighting against separatists and terrorists trying to destabilise the territorial intergrity of their country. Sounds familiar to what the Chinese government claims as well no?
So why don't you support Ukraine government getting rid of separatists and terrorists trying to divide the country? Lol but you support the Chinese government doing the same against Uygurs separatists right ?

And you can choose to believe the hogwashs created by the BBC just because you are a patriotic Brit, right?

I am just an observer whose emotion is not affected if Russia really lost the war tomorrow.
Although I may be truly surprised.

You may not acknowledge the role of the Russian Red Army during WW2 where they wiped off 80% of German fighting capacity before the allies even dare to and proudly launched their D-day campaign in Normandy.

But that does not means we do not know what Russia did and to many of us, that is truly an act of ungratefulness. Putin was not even invited to the event due to geopolitical difference with the US. What a shame?

To begin with, why should anyone of believe this actor Zalensky?
To many of us he is neither quaified nor the right choice.
He is NO Ronald Reagan.
The fact remain Zalensky became a President backed by the neo-Nazi ultra-extremists AZOV who is the real power sitting behind the throne in Kiev today.

Is Zalensky just a puppet set up by AZOV? Why select an actor? They needed him to play his role.
And who is the backer of AVOZ?
Of course, most of us know but unfortunately most Brits and European do not.

Now all AZOV ever wanted is just a ceasefire in Dombass so that they can regrouped.
Propaganda and fake news not means Ukraine is really winning a war.

Unable to commit soldiers from the Western Ukraine to save the trapped 60,000 Joint Ukrainian Army and AZOV battalion forces in dire strait, these encircled demoralised souls like ISIS in Syria are doomed in the coming days and weeks.

If Ukraine were to commit its troops from the West to the East, the Russia will just marched into these encircled Westetn cities and take control.
That is how Russia fights their war today.

Russia is patient and is prepared to wait even for years like what they did in Syria.

The sanctions are not working and Ruble is 83 to a dollar and not 200 as told by Biden in Poland. But dedollarization is real and accelerated.

Hyperinflation is hitting Europe and Germany at 7.8%. Will Olaf Schotz be overthrown or will there will protest in Berlin?

Coming to war, history is a good reflection.
Many do not understands how 10,000 Japanese Army were able to defeat a mighty 60,000 British defenders in Malaya during WW2. Is it all talk?

Let me relate a real story in here.
Colin Chapman who parachuted to Malaya, send to train the resistant MPAJ army admitted that he ended up being the student, learning about how to fight war in Asia in his case Japan.

But will the arrogant Brits adopts his acquired knowledge and experience. Naturely NOT! it is far too humiliating to the mighty British Empire then.

Ukraine is not about emotion but about a grand plot that was hatched inside the Pentagon. In 2008 when a foreign backed force overthrown a legitimate elected Ukrainian President and his governmemt in Kiev just like what they attempt to do in Kazakhstan recently, the civil war in Ukraine started.
With tales of genocide surfacing, a term loved by BBC, in Dombass, Donetsk and Lugansk. BBC journalists knew all about these genocides choose to ignore them and focus on non events in Xinjiang. What a world we live in?

Russia, China and SCO nations all knew about the conspiracy and that is when their annual anti-terrorist war exercises paid off.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

 

[mike2000 is back]

And you can choose to believe the hogwashs created by the BBC just because you are a patriotic Brit, right?

I am just an observer whose emotion is not affected if Russia really lost the war tomorrow.
Although I may be truly surprised.

You may not acknowledge the role of the Russian Red Army during WW2 where they wiped off 80% of German fighting capacity before the allies even dare to and proudly launched their D-day campaign in Normandy.

But that does not means we do not know what Russia did and to many of us, that is truly an act of ungratefulness. Putin was not even invited to the event due to geopolitical difference with the US. What a shame?

To begin with, why should anyone of believe this actor Zalensky?
To many of us he is neither quaified nor the right choice.
He is NO Ronald Reagan.
The fact remain Zalensky became a President backed by the neo-Nazi ultra-extremists AZOV who is the real power sitting behind the throne in Kiev today.

Is Zalensky just a puppet set up by AZOV? Why select an actor? They needed him to play his role.
And who is the backer of AVOZ?
Of course, most of us know but unfortunately most Brits and European do not.

Now all AZOV ever wanted is just a ceasefire in Dombass so that they can regrouped.
Propaganda and fake news not means Ukraine is really winning a war.

Unable to commit soldiers from the Western Ukraine to save the trapped 60,000 Joint Ukrainian Army and AZOV battalion forces in dire strait, these encircled demoralised souls like ISIS in Syria are doomed in the coming days and weeks.

If Ukraine were to commit its troops from the West to the East, the Russia will just marched into these encircled Westetn cities and take control.
That is how Russia fights their war today.

Russia is patient and is prepared to wait even for years like what they did in Syria.

The sanctions are not working and Ruble is 83 to a dollar and not 200 as told by Biden in Poland. But dedollarization is real and accelerated.

Hyperinflation is hitting Europe and Germany at 7.8%. Will Olaf Schotz be overthrown or will there will protest in Berlin?

Coming to war, history is a good reflection.
Many do not understands how 10,000 Japanese Army were able to defeat a mighty 60,000 British defenders in Malaya during WW2. Is it all talk?

Let me relate a real story in here.
Colin Chapman who parachuted to Malaya, send to train the resistant MPAJ army admitted that he ended up being the student, learning about how to fight war in Asia in his case Japan.

But will the arrogant Brits adopts his acquired knowledge and experience. Naturely NOT! it is far too humiliating to the mighty British Empire then.

Ukraine is not about emotion but about a grand plot that was hatched inside the Pentagon. In 2008 when a foreign backed force overthrown a legitimate elected Ukrainian President and his governmemt in Kiev just like what they attempt to do in Kazakhstan recently, the civil war in Ukraine started.
With tales of genocide surfacing, a term loved by BBC, in Dombass, Donetsk and Lugansk. BBC journalists knew all about these genocides choose to ignore them and focus on non events in Xinjiang. What a world we live in?

Russia, China and SCO nations all knew about the conspiracy and that is when their annual anti-terrorist war exercises paid off.

Your points are all over the place . Going from saying how good soviet Union was and how they dealt with Germany alone to talking about avrov brigade to BBC lies to how good and cool SCO is to conspiracy theory about how Ukraine issue is a western inspired operation to talking about how Russia is doing well with the Ruble and how the dollar is collapsing. etc etc..
Difficult having a meaningful discussion with someone like this to be honest. So I'll just leave things here with you. Lol

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Your points are all over the place . Going from saying how good soviet Union was and how they dealt with Germany alone to talking about avrov brigade to BBC lies to how good and cool SCO is to conspiracy theory about how Ukraine issue is a western inspired operation to talking about how Russia is doing well with the Ruble and how the dollar is collapsing. etc etc..
Difficult having a meaningful discussion with someone like this to be honest. So I'll just leave things here with you. Lol

That is simply because you do not know what the hell you are saying when responding to me with your silly askew mindset and accusation about the Chinese.

Bye.

BTW why do you volunteer to and fight the Russian since you feel so strongly about it and believe that you are right?