China Invites India to Join its Ambitious Silk Road Projects

[55100864]

I will be happy if he stops insulting China's innovation, and saying that whites are superior and we are inferior.

How can he be pro-China if he thinks whites are superior, and we are inferior? Does that sound like pro-China to you?

bro, i believe he was just trolling u, didn't mean to be insult, when that happens, we just troll back.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

bro, i believe he was just trolling u, didn't mean to be insult, when that happens, we just troll back.

He wasn't trolling me, I wasn't even in the thread when he posted it.

I arrived much later, after the discussion was already finished.

 

[jaunty]

Zionists lack numbers and the Hindu's lack competence.

Ha ha what a scumbag mullah!

 

[Jlaw]

China teaming up with India smacks of arrogance and over confidence and the common mistake of underestimating enemy.

For India it is definitely a great victory, to use enemy's help and support to gain strength.

But China is not the only one making this mistake, US led West made the same mistake when it opened their markets for China a few decades back and helped China's rise. But they can be forgiven because the US Wall street is controlled by Zionists, who have a history of "fouling their own nest".

My question to Chinese posters, in your estimate in how many years will China achieve weapons tech superiority over or parity with Russians tech?

Who will India then turn to for weapons? China or the West. If it is the West, then how does China plan to use India against the West or even keep India neutral in a new cold war with the West?

You have some valid points. China will not be selling Indian weapons even if China achieve tech parity with Russia. It would be foolish if she did.
In a conventional world confrontation, India will want to stay neutral but if it had to choose, India will choose US over China. India has more to gain from doing so. If India sides with US in a war with China and US wins, India stands to gain ten folds. US will allow India to take all of Tibet and a bit more east of Tibet. Pakistan will also be in under Indian rule.

If India sides with Russia and China in a war vs the US + the allies and US loses, India does not gain that much in terms of land. The only thing India gain is US is no longer a superpower and India gain some world prestige.

Put yourself in India's shoes, what side will you be on?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That could have been solved in 1962.

Did you know that we asked Pakistan to help us fight against India in 1962, which would have allowed Pakistan to take back Kashmir from an already defeated India?

But Ayub Khan chose to side with India instead. In fact he even offered joint defence to India, against China!

Bhutto's foreign policy legacy - DAWN.COM



And in return for that, India repaid Pakistan's generosity with 1971.

Only if Ayub Khan has sided with us from the beginning, instead of America and then India!

Ayub Khan was also offered 15,000 sq km territory (iok) by india... but he didnt accept... and 3 years later 2nd Kashmir war happened.

 

[Jlaw]

although i disagree with him in terms of india, i think we need people like him who share no culture, gene with us, but love china and want to see china reclaim its glory, this is the soft power we desperately need, we should consider him as our own brother, much much better than some west worship bananas who will do everything to please their west master and harm china.

I'm a banana man but I'm the most pro China banana man you will find in real life.

 

[55100864]

I'm a banana man but I'm the most pro China banana man you will find in real life.

i know u r ABC from ur chinese writing, actually pretty good. i have met many ABC, and they r the most anti-china people i have ever encountered. I'm actually surprised u r pro-china, anyway, we need people like u, bro.

 

[terranMarine]

I'm a banana man but I'm the most pro China banana man you will find in real life.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I'm a banana man but I'm the most pro China banana man you will find in real life.

You're a 香蕉人, like Genesis?

If you are pro-China, that is good.

But I've noticed you often disagree with Chinese Government policy, like pretty much every time. Regarding BRICS, investment, and everything else.

Do you have some particular opposition to CPC policy, and could you explain why? Those guys are amongst the most experienced national leaders in the entire world, and have propelled us from nothing, into one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Lifting 800 million Chinese out of poverty in a few decades, a feat that has never been accomplished before in all of human history.

 

[Jlaw]

You're a 香蕉人, like Genesis?

If you are pro-China, that is good.

But I've noticed you often disagree with Chinese Government policy, like pretty much every time. Regarding BRICS, investment, and everything else.

Do you have some particular opposition to CPC policy, and could you explain why? Those guys are amongst the most experienced national leaders in the entire world, and have propelled us from nothing, into one of the most powerful nations on Earth. Lifting 800 million Chinese out of poverty in a few decades, a feat that has never been accomplished before in all of human history.

我係廣東人. There is no denying CPC has helped lifted Chinese people out of poverty but my biggest pet peeve is mainly their PR, and unable to use economic and military advantage to subdue weaker states. The recent escapade with Vietnam was good example.
Please don't bring up Scarborough Shoal as I know what happened. But the Viets were playing the victim cards to the world audience and the Chinese government did not really know how to counter it. In any case, I and many Chinese felt the Chinese government should have taken a harsher stance on Vietnam.

The Viets kept bring up "Law of the Sea" under UNCLOS. China is right about the law, but remember 90% of the world are inhabited by stupid people. They should just came out and explain instead of staying silent.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

我係廣東人. There is no denying CPC has helped lifted Chinese people out of poverty but my biggest pet peeve is mainly their PR, and unable to use economic and military advantage to subdue weaker states. The recent escapade with Vietnam was good example.
Please don't bring up Scarborough Shoal as I know what happened. But the Viets were playing the victim cards to the world audience and the Chinese government did not really know how to counter it. In any case, I and many Chinese felt the Chinese government should have taken a harsher stance on Vietnam.

The Viets kept bring up "Law of the Sea" under UNCLOS. China is right about the law, but remember 90% of the world are inhabited by stupid people. They should just came out and explain instead of staying silent.

So what do you suggest instead of the CPC's current policies?

And why do you mention Scarborough shoal and then Vietnam?

What I've always said, is that Scarborough shoal shows that America's mutual defence treaty with the Philippines (not Vietnam) is worth about as much as the paper it was written on. Since China managed to seize the Scarborough shoal in 2012, and America didn't bother to do anything about it, despite the mutual defence treaty.

As for Vietnam, we seized the Xisha islands in the 1970's, and no one in the world doubts that we can hold on to it.

So I can't really see your point?

We seized Scarborough shoal in 2012 despite the Philippines having a mutual defence pact with America, if that is not tough foreign policy, then what is?

The fact that no one was killed, and that only the Philippines/Vietnam are crying about it, shows how well our diplomacy went.

Compare that to Crimea, in which no one was killed either, but sanctions and propaganda are being spread in large quantities by the West, against Russia.

 

[Jlaw]

So what do you suggest instead of the CPC's current policies?

And why do you mention Scarborough shoal and then Vietnam?

What I've always said, is that Scarborough shoal shows that America's mutual defence treaty with the Philippines (not Vietnam) is worth about as much as the paper it was written on. Since China managed to seize the Scarborough shoal in 2012, and America didn't bother to do anything about it, despite the mutual defence treaty.

As for Vietnam, we seized the Xisha islands in the 1970's, and no one in the world doubts that we can hold on to it.

So I can't really see your point?

We seized Scarborough shoal in 2012 despite the Philippines having a mutual defence pact with America, if that is not tough foreign policy, then what is?

The fact that no one was killed, and that only the Philippines/Vietnam are crying about it, shows how well our diplomacy went.

Compare that to Crimea, in which no one was killed either, but sanctions and propaganda are being spread in large quantities by the West, against Russia.

Scarborough Shoal was a good move on CPC's part. In 2012, we did good against Pinoys with the banana fiasco. Do you think the CPC should have taken a tougher stance on Vietnam in May?

One more thing, in this age propaganda (PR) is just as important as economic power.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Scarborough Shoal was a good move on CPC's part. In 2012, we did good against Pinoys with the banana fiasco. Do you think the CPC should have taken a tougher stance on Vietnam in May?

Why though?

We took the Xisha islands from them, and even they know they cannot do anything about it.

Then to further add insult to injury, we put an oil rig there, right after America's "Asian pivot", and showed them that neither they nor America could do anything about it. Same as how we forced America to abandon their mutual defence treaty with the Philippines, when we seized Scarborough shoal.

The job was done, the message was sent and received (and believed), and hey we found oil and gas there too. Sounds pretty good to me, I'm not sure what you want the CPC to do?

One more thing, in this age propaganda (PR) is just as important as economic power.

And like I said, we took these territories and no one even cares except Philippines/Vietnam.

Compare that to the Ukraine/Crimea situation (also no bloodshed), to see how well our diplomacy went. Everyone is ranting and crying about Crimea, no one is even talking about Scarborough shoal or the Xisha islands.

 

[my2cents]

If India would stop being an arrogant occupier of both Pakistani and Chinese lands the region would be progressing at an even faster rate.

There never was Pakistan and India before 1947, so no question of occupying Pakistani land. You can claim the moon if you want but that does not mean we will listen to your bull$hit.

 

[zip]

Disagree. Your arguments against CPC policy seem to be based on emotion rather than facts. Emotions which have nothing to do with China, which makes sense given you have already admitted you are an American foreigner.

Read these two posts, to understand why CPC policy is supporting the BRICS initiative:





The FACT is that America is our major strategic rival. The CPC understands this, hence our support of the BRICS as a counterweight.

This has nothing to do with emotions, or intentions, but facts and capability. America are the ones who can threaten us with sanctions, cutting us out of the dollar system (like they are trying to do to Russia right now), and even a full blown naval blockade.

Which is why we are using institutions like the BRICS bank to strengthen our own currency and payment systems overseas (to counter sanctions). And it's why we developed the DF-21D carrier killer, which will allow us to sink large warships from thousands of kilometers away (to counter blockades).

As for India, that is a joke. Maybe they are a threat to Bangladesh, but not to China.

We hold the high ground on the Tibetan plateau, an insurmountable geographic barrier. Even the Soviet Red Army could not threaten us across such a barrier, let alone the Indian army which is not even a fraction of their power.

Not to mention we have the world's largest arsenal of sub strategic (non-nuclear) missiles, including thousands of conventional ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and rocket artillery. Which could easily take out all of India's airfields in the NE, rendering them without air cover.

Hell, New Delhi is only 300+ km from the border, we can hit it with even conventional artillery (which uses very cheap shell ammunition). We could level their capital city with only conventional weapons and missiles.

As for the sea, we have around 70+ submarines, including 10 nuclear ones. Whereas India only has 7 active conventional submarines. Our submarine fleet alone... outnumbers even their major surface combatants (destroyers and corvettes) plus their submarines. And that's not even counting our surface fleet! Which again, outnumbers them by a massive margin.

Even India's own generals openly admit they cannot hope to match China in both conventional and non-conventional terms. And we enter their territory whenever we like, forcing them to break down bunkers and stop troop patrols, even on their own side.

To sum up, our major strategic rival is the USA, not India. And the CPC knows it, hence their dedication to the BRICS initiative. This is based on facts and reality, not emotion and other such nonsense.

And no matter how much you attack CPC policy, this will not change. They are smart, they understand geopolitics much better than you do, the idea that you think you know better than them is ridiculous.

you may be good at arithmetics but bad at logics..not long time ago china was very poor in numbers apart from population ..2to3 decades of financial success was enough for it to bridge the gap ..what makes you to think india wont strive for bridge these gaps? Open your eyes when sun shines but try to look beyond the day