China: Interesting personalities

[kankan326]

She is famous in China now.

 

[Vigneshwara]

good for her.

 

[nang2]

She probably thought the audience in front of her were the ones she was addressing. She didn't realize youtube addresses to the whole world (almost).

 

[Chhatrapati]

Guess she kissed goodbye to China. She probably can't go back. It's too dangerous.

 

[Beast]

Maybe her message of fresh air, as in freedom of speech, should be taken as to be directed at the CCP, not the Chinese people. But if the Chinese people take pride in throwing people like Liu Xiaobo in jail, then maybe it really was aimed at the Chinese people.

One curious thing about the CCP is their policy against the Falun Gong. What did they do to deserve getting completely wiped out from the mainland? And the Christian Chinese who have had the crosses of their churches torn down.

Well China is a very big place, so maybe that is why they need the tight control. Maybe loose control would facilitate a break up. But if Han Chinese identity was strong enough, then maybe that shouldn't necessitate a break up.

Well anyway, obviously there will always be some people born that want to be able to express their opinions regardless of their ethnic background. Naturally born opinionated people. They will need a place to live that allows them to speak without the threat of being put in jail. I don't think that should mean that she is a hanjian.

Falun Gong is evil cult who claim their founder who is just, an ordinary Chinese man, has God's power and is immortal. You mean this is normal? Of cos against China, any evil can be claimed as good. You wouldn't even care about any Chinese is killed, any immoral against China. As long as is against China , it shall be praised.

Anybody can see your agenda and evil.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Hey UMD!

This was the University wide commencement speech, quiet the honor.

Many Chinese Students do go back and work for more openness.

 

[Suika]

Falun Gong is evil cult who claim their founder who is just, an ordinary Chinese man, has God's power and is immortal. You mean this is normal? Of cos against China, any evil can be claimed as good. You wouldn't even care about any Chinese is killed, any immoral against China. As long as is against China , it shall be praised.

Anybody can see your agenda and evil.

The West is capable of cooking up exaggerations and false stories. But I need some specific examples about that. What exactly, sort of evil did Falun Gong do?

 

[JSCh]

Maybe her message of fresh air, as in freedom of speech, should be taken as to be directed at the CCP, not the Chinese people. But if the Chinese people take pride in throwing people like Liu Xiaobo in jail, then maybe it really was aimed at the Chinese people.

It seem we have a fan of Liu XiaoBong here.

Read the news article below.

Then you can decide he is against only CCP or Chinese people? Whether he is a hanjian?

But Chinese people would form an opinion on the answer to those questions long time ago.

Who is Liu Xiaobo?
(chinadaily.com.cn)
Updated: 2010-10-27 15:49

Liu Xiaobo, who was awarded the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize, has triggered people's interest in who he is.

Liu, born in 1955, was a worker in his youth. He got his master's degree in 1984 and began working as a teacher at Beijing Normal University. He got a doctorate degree in 1988. He attracted attention when he criticized some famous people.

In an interview by a Hong Kong based-editor, Liu said that Chinese people's tragedy is not caused by "several fatuous emperors," but "every Chinese person", since the Chinese people created a system that caused their own tragedy.

Liu said that China needed to be a colony for 300 years to have a "real change". He then said that knowledge levels have nothing to do with academic degrees and most Chinese university students and graduate students were "garbage".

Liu showed great respect and praise for the Western political, economic and cultural systems. "I don't care you call me a traitor or a patriot. If you say I am a traitor, then I am. I am the ungrateful child digging out the graves of his ancestors, and I am proud of being such a child," he said.

Liu said that the Chinese people "are totally weak both physically and psychologically," and "have no creativity." He thought that was due to "the race".

Liu said he felt ashamed of being Chinese and that if his English were better he would cut his ties with China. He even felt ashamed to mention the word "China". He even said that China should be separated into 18 regions.

After the severe political turmoil of 1989, Liu was detained by police for his agitation activities. He pleaded with the police and wrote a confession paper in which he expressed his regret and wish to be "useful for the nation and people". Due to his good attitude, the government spared him criminal punishment. However, Liu returned to his old ways in 1991 and was sent to a labor camp for disturbing public order.

Paid by foreigners

Since the mid-1990s, Liu Xiaobo began working for the Democratic China magazine, financed by the National Endowment for Democracy, which is funded by the US government, and has been paid regularly. Aboluowang.com, an overseas news website, published an article saying Liu's salary was $23,004, or 157,600 yuan, according to the exchange rate at that time. Even while he is in prison, Liu got 13,000 yuan every month.

In addition, Liu made money by writing articles for overseas media, criticizing the Chinese government. He also got money from doing interviews with overseas media and the various "prizes" given by western countries. Life is rather comfortable for him. An overseas media outlet found his house "elegantly decorated, and the shelf on the wall is filled with expensive porcelains".

"I'm not like you. I don't lack money. Foreigners pay me every year even when I'm in prison," said Liu to his fellow prisoners.

Liu has always proclaimed himself to be a righteous man who participates in "civil rights movement" out of a Chinese citizen's sense of urgency, responsibility and mission. But do his acts match his words?

Doesn't Liu chase after fame? "Even if they do not receive material rewards, those who dare to speak the truth on major public events will receive praise for justice, especially that from grassroots of the Chinese mainland and mainstream international society, and they will gradually rise to fame and public influence," Liu said when receiving the so called "Outstanding Contributor to Democracy Award" in 2003. Liu has been bad-mouthing his own country and his own nation for payment from the West, such as "human rights prize", "democracy contributor prize", and so on.

Doesn't Liu chase after wealth? Let himself speak for this. "The reasons why I deliver speeches are: first, I feel good about myself; second, I need to make money. I won't deliver a speech if I'm not paid fair enough for every hour I speak. Money is a kind of self-evaluation. Your life is opened up to the extent of the amount of money you make.

"Once at the Beijing Friendship Store, I saw a bottle of wine supposed to be purchased with 160 yuan worth of foreign exchange certificate. I stood in front of it, feeling weak and smashed. Damn. I am famous and I deliver speeches, but I just can't conquer a bottle of wine." It's pretty clear what he stands for.

Those who are familiar with Liu know he is extreme and arrogant. He took part in founding an illegal organization called Independent Chinese Writer Club to form his own clique and press down on dissenters, thus making many enemies within the "Chinese democracy activists" circle and was sued in the United States for embezzlement. As a result, many Chinese "democracy activists" overseas are not happy with him.

"Charter" against Constitution

The financially optimistic Liu works for his employers. He has spared no effort in working for Western anti-China forces since 2005, and drew up the so-called Charter 08 in 2008. By rumor-mongering and libeling, the charter denies the people's democratic dictatorship, socialism and the unitary state structure stipulated in the Chinese Constitution. The charter also entices people to join it, with the intent to alter the political system and overturn the government. Liu's activities has crossed the line of freedom of speech into crime.

The so-called Charter 08 is totally obsolete. Most of it was copied from the "Charter 77". It is totally against the current Chinese Constitution and law, and advocates the total denial of the Party's leadership and the current state power. The charter attempts to push forward the Western political system under the pretense of constitutional amendment and to gradually confuse people's thoughts, and drums for the thought of "violent revolution." Essentially, its ultimate goal is to overturn the Party's leadership and the current government. To carry out such a charter will not only make China a vassal of the West, but would destroy the progress of Chinese society and the welfare of Chinese people, thus the charter has been unanimously applauded by the West. In December 2008, Liu was sentenced to 11 years in prison and deprivation of political rights for two years for the crime of agitation aimed at subverting the government. As the West's tool, Liu will be abandoned by the Chinese people.

The article was originally carried in Chinese by china.com.cn, and translated into English by chinadaily.com.cn.

 

[Suika]

Indians, including the one above, is impossible to beat when it comes to mouth-cannoning. They are so obvious, even behind various flags. @Jlaw might be right, maybe they are tolerated because they help increase traffic in this place.

The publicity of this incident proves the effectiveness of China's indigenous internet ecosystem. This is a healthy sign.

Just as the West controls and regulates domestic discourse-making process, we are also nearing to that point of discourse-making in the direction of greater national interest.

It is all about pragmatism; nothing is absolutely right or wrong in this game. The point is to get rich, control and use as much as resources as possible, and drive gas-guzzling SUVs in wide, shiny motorways.

It's all funny sometimes, being called an Indian, but the after thought is scary. None of you patriots of China seem to give a darn about Liu Xiaobo. Another scary thought is how the the identity of China is merged with the CPP. Someone can criticize the Trump administration, the Merkal administration, the Abe administration, the Moon Jae-in administration, but they won't be viewed as being anti-America, anti-Germany, anti-Japanese, or anti-South Korea. But if someone criticizes the CPP, then they are treated as being anti-China. Scary stuff.

edit:
finally a post about him.

It seem we have a fan of Liu XiaoBong here.

Read the news article below.

Then you can decide he is against only CCP or Chinese people? Whether he is a hanjian?

But Chinese people would form an opinion on the answer to those questions long time ago.

Who is Liu Xiaobo?
(chinadaily.com.cn)
Updated: 2010-10-27 15:49

Liu Xiaobo, who was awarded the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize, has triggered people's interest in who he is.

Liu, born in 1955, was a worker in his youth. He got his master's degree in 1984 and began working as a teacher at Beijing Normal University. He got a doctorate degree in 1988. He attracted attention when he criticized some famous people.

In an interview by a Hong Kong based-editor, Liu said that Chinese people's tragedy is not caused by "several fatuous emperors," but "every Chinese person", since the Chinese people created a system that caused their own tragedy.

Liu said that China needed to be a colony for 300 years to have a "real change". He then said that knowledge levels have nothing to do with academic degrees and most Chinese university students and graduate students were "garbage".

Liu showed great respect and praise for the Western political, economic and cultural systems. "I don't care you call me a traitor or a patriot. If you say I am a traitor, then I am. I am the ungrateful child digging out the graves of his ancestors, and I am proud of being such a child," he said.

Liu said that the Chinese people "are totally weak both physically and psychologically," and "have no creativity." He thought that was due to "the race".

Liu said he felt ashamed of being Chinese and that if his English were better he would cut his ties with China. He even felt ashamed to mention the word "China". He even said that China should be separated into 18 regions.

After the severe political turmoil of 1989, Liu was detained by police for his agitation activities. He pleaded with the police and wrote a confession paper in which he expressed his regret and wish to be "useful for the nation and people". Due to his good attitude, the government spared him criminal punishment. However, Liu returned to his old ways in 1991 and was sent to a labor camp for disturbing public order.

Paid by foreigners

Since the mid-1990s, Liu Xiaobo began working for the Democratic China magazine, financed by the National Endowment for Democracy, which is funded by the US government, and has been paid regularly. Aboluowang.com, an overseas news website, published an article saying Liu's salary was $23,004, or 157,600 yuan, according to the exchange rate at that time. Even while he is in prison, Liu got 13,000 yuan every month.

In addition, Liu made money by writing articles for overseas media, criticizing the Chinese government. He also got money from doing interviews with overseas media and the various "prizes" given by western countries. Life is rather comfortable for him. An overseas media outlet found his house "elegantly decorated, and the shelf on the wall is filled with expensive porcelains".

"I'm not like you. I don't lack money. Foreigners pay me every year even when I'm in prison," said Liu to his fellow prisoners.

Liu has always proclaimed himself to be a righteous man who participates in "civil rights movement" out of a Chinese citizen's sense of urgency, responsibility and mission. But do his acts match his words?

Doesn't Liu chase after fame? "Even if they do not receive material rewards, those who dare to speak the truth on major public events will receive praise for justice, especially that from grassroots of the Chinese mainland and mainstream international society, and they will gradually rise to fame and public influence," Liu said when receiving the so called "Outstanding Contributor to Democracy Award" in 2003. Liu has been bad-mouthing his own country and his own nation for payment from the West, such as "human rights prize", "democracy contributor prize", and so on.

Doesn't Liu chase after wealth? Let himself speak for this. "The reasons why I deliver speeches are: first, I feel good about myself; second, I need to make money. I won't deliver a speech if I'm not paid fair enough for every hour I speak. Money is a kind of self-evaluation. Your life is opened up to the extent of the amount of money you make.

"Once at the Beijing Friendship Store, I saw a bottle of wine supposed to be purchased with 160 yuan worth of foreign exchange certificate. I stood in front of it, feeling weak and smashed. Damn. I am famous and I deliver speeches, but I just can't conquer a bottle of wine." It's pretty clear what he stands for.

Those who are familiar with Liu know he is extreme and arrogant. He took part in founding an illegal organization called Independent Chinese Writer Club to form his own clique and press down on dissenters, thus making many enemies within the "Chinese democracy activists" circle and was sued in the United States for embezzlement. As a result, many Chinese "democracy activists" overseas are not happy with him.

"Charter" against Constitution

The financially optimistic Liu works for his employers. He has spared no effort in working for Western anti-China forces since 2005, and drew up the so-called Charter 08 in 2008. By rumor-mongering and libeling, the charter denies the people's democratic dictatorship, socialism and the unitary state structure stipulated in the Chinese Constitution. The charter also entices people to join it, with the intent to alter the political system and overturn the government. Liu's activities has crossed the line of freedom of speech into crime.

The so-called Charter 08 is totally obsolete. Most of it was copied from the "Charter 77". It is totally against the current Chinese Constitution and law, and advocates the total denial of the Party's leadership and the current state power. The charter attempts to push forward the Western political system under the pretense of constitutional amendment and to gradually confuse people's thoughts, and drums for the thought of "violent revolution." Essentially, its ultimate goal is to overturn the Party's leadership and the current government. To carry out such a charter will not only make China a vassal of the West, but would destroy the progress of Chinese society and the welfare of Chinese people, thus the charter has been unanimously applauded by the West. In December 2008, Liu was sentenced to 11 years in prison and deprivation of political rights for two years for the crime of agitation aimed at subverting the government. As the West's tool, Liu will be abandoned by the Chinese people.

The article was originally carried in Chinese by china.com.cn, and translated into English by chinadaily.com.cn.

Interesting piece, thanks for that, I always wondered what a rebuttal about him might look like.

 

[attack]

But still pretty humiliating for the chinese to be publicily ridiculed.
Her points ....
Chinese breathe dirty air.
No freedom of speech in china.
Govt controls everything. No civil society.

 

[Fledgingwings]

If she likes USA its ok but homeland and its importance can never be replaced by any other thing in the world.

 

[Solomon2]

Kunming, the Chinese city where she is from, actually is not that polluted. As shown below, the air quality of 2016, 98.9% are "good" or above. Was she lying to make China look bad?

The World Air Quality Index Project records the real-time AQI in Kunming is currently between 70 and 109.

The Project lists the AQI near National Airport outside of Washington, D.C. - perhaps twenty miles from the University of Maryland - at just 5.

 

[kankan326]

The World Air Quality Index Project records the real-time AQI in Kunming is currently between 70 and 109.

The Project lists the AQI near National Airport outside of Washington, D.C. - perhaps twenty miles from the University of Maryland - at just 5.

I did not say Kunming's air is as good as Washington. What I meant is the air in Kunming is not as bad as she said. Actually much better than she said. You can google the location of Kunming.

 

[Godman]

China only ended it's uncontrolled industrial growth recently so pollution doesn't disappear overnight. She is ignoring the fact that certain cities including major ones like LA in USA are suffering from extreme pollution despite ending rapid industralization with heavy pollution long ago

 

[xiao qi]

bad word for mother land is not good ,Her parent in China will face the difficult status by her speech