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China gives warnings, lots of them. Smart enemies will sense the danger when some particular phases are used in the warnings. Last time, India did not get it and its PM had to radio address a "good bye" to people of Assam, and New Delhi was in panic.


Did you provide such warning service in SCS, Chinese only follow one policy might is right. I'm not sure panic in India, but seeing number of warnings and threats, it seems Beijing is in Panic.
 
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Let me figure it out, you bully Bhutan, Vietnam, Philipines, Japan and call us bully.

Infact your leader itself testimony what you believe,Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Stop reading what communist are saying to you and read the real world news, your head may have clearer picture.

you bully Bangladesh, Burma, Bhutan, Napal and sri lanka..........pakistan sticks a firecracker up your pipe every time you try.
 
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You need not wait too long. :enjoy:


Going by India pitching tent , it seems long wait will be there.Unless Chinese does about turn:partay:

you bully Bangladesh, Burma, Bhutan, Napal and sri lanka..........pakistan sticks a firecracker up your pipe every time you try.


Firecracker which Pakistan is trying to ignite has burn its half house down already and other half is in shambles
 
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and all i see is a retard **** who has no business to be here in this topic. this is between big brothers and they will solve it by one way or another, you keep quite.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Posts on Pakistani Defence Forum and gets butthurt when Pakistanis comment on it. Heres some advice go run off to some sh*tty Indian forum if this is too much for you to handle.

Otherwise keep crying keyboard warrior, and I will keep laughing at your pathetic desperation and fake bravery :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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China gives warnings, lots of them. Smart enemies will sense the danger when some particular phases are used in the warnings. Last time, India did not get it and its PM had to radio address a "good bye" to people of Assam, and New Delhi was in panic.
you guys give only warning....what happen to 4 islands which Japan snatched from you....warning only
 
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then don't come to cry that India will be bullied by China as 1962:P
Hahaha...sure ..but 62' happened because of our p.m. Nehu who was busy with fornication with Russian gals and refused Indian air force to act against chinese army. because of far less support ,ammunition and soldiers in compare to Chinese soldiers who were digged in high grounds and we couldn't do anything because of our stupid p.m.
It's called democracy not defeat.
Now you may be wondering this time China global news is shouting for war but chinese army hasn't fired a single shot and they can't and they would eventually leave the disputed area and I tell you why..
This time Indian and butanese army is holding high grounds and
Unlike 62' this time India can also send waves of soldiers like China
And this time indian soldiers can get easy military backup support unlike chinese soldiers have to wait for any aid from chumbi valley that is miles alway
And you might think you have fifth gen fighter or no. Of missiles to give support from air or ground well u may not know about barak 8 defence and bharamos cruise missile which which will neutrilize any tech advantage
So my friend both countries can't afford a full scale ware and China would loose any limited conflict...Awwww..
 
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then don't come to cry that India will be bullied by China as 1962:P
I'm itching for a war with these Hindus. I guess China needs to hammer them down with our Communist Iron Fist to show who the f*ck is the BOSS here. Another utter defeat would humiliate them that India today is pretty much India 1962.
Try it!..Talk is cheap like Chinese product....enough talk just do it..already!....This is not some copy and paste job..war needs balls and brain..which you dont have. I am sure in reality the generals of India and China know better, what the actual reality is. First control NK then we can talk.
 
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LOL. I like to watch the passions of indians come to 'rethink mode' - too naive.

India has too many chaos states and I also have no interest to point out. LMAO
Do you know something called right to express or speech or speak (lol)
It's called democracy my friend which you may not have heard of where if somebody abuses our motherland we can't kill him because it's what they call right to express.
 
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I thought I was going to read a meaningful reply from a TTA, but it turns out there is nothing more than regular excuses to beautify the humiliated defeat of 1962, which we have heard from Indians for the past 55 years. What else, “backstabbing”, "Lack of food and blankets"? The mentioning of China in 1912 was laughable, you may have forgotten that India has been dealing with CCP China since 1950, not the Qing Dynasty in its dying days.

The lack of introspect will guarantee the repeat of defeat. Whatever effort you try to make your defeat less humiliated, the fact remain that you were taught a tough lesson that you remember dearly until this day, and your warmongering PM died a year later in disgrace. I actually have some personal sympathy for Nehru himself, he might not have wanted that war but he was hijacked by raging nationalism from political parties, media and from people like you.

By the way, China today is 5 times stronger than India, and your armed forces have been outgunned in every aspects. "Paper tiger" or not, it is just a personal opinion. And don't forget to give some quality food to front line soldiers, it is them who have to face the matter of death, should the war breaks out, along with some decent rifles.

Like i said,your paper strength means absolutely nothing.Try and answer the points i have raised on terrain,logistics,battle experience,high altitude handicap for your airforce,our naval blockade capability etc rather than attacking me.Please go ahead and counter them.And do take a look at the real IA in this thread.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indian-military-picture-thread.4905/page-642
You chinese posters have a habit of taking snippets of negative news about the IA(not that your army isn't corruption ridden)and thinking you will face some joke starving rag tag rabble.Feel free to correct yourselves.
You don't have the military ability to do anything and your army knows it.Thats why first warning,then begging etc etc blah blah.

Yes, some folks always love to equate a nation to its worst possible days!!!!

And 1962 was amongst India's worst days,we had a food crisis,communist insurgency,collapsing economy,high inflation,army hadn't been touched since 1947 and weakened by bureaucratic favouritism and was weaker than PA at that time.
 
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Now G20 is over. It's hammer time?
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BEIJING (Reuters) - From U.S. anger over inaction on North Korea to a festering border dispute with India and the ailing Chinese Nobel laureate Liu Xiaobo, last week's G20 summit was strewn with minefields for China's President Xi Jinping.

By chance or by strategy, Xi and his officials picked their way through unscathed.

Beijing is ultra-sensitive about Xi's image and ensuring he gets the respect it sees as his due as leader of an emerging superpower, especially when travelling to Western countries where it cannot so tightly control the public narrative.

Diplomatic sources in Beijing, speaking ahead of Xi's trip to the G20 gathering in the German city of Hamburg, said Chinese officials had in private expressed nervousness that he could be asked awkward questions about North Korea, or the cancer-struck Liu, jailed for 11 years in 2009 for "inciting subversion of state power".


In the end it was U.S. President Donald Trump's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, amid accusations Russia interfered in the U.S. election, and Trump's refusal to return to the Paris climate agreement that dominated the limelight.

Xi, by contrast, avoided controversy in his bilateral meetings and reaffirmed China's commitment to the Paris deal and to an open global economy, in what the official China Daily called the "burnishing of (his) reputation".

"Nobody talked about the South China Sea. No one talked about trade. Everyone was happy with Xi. I think he played this well," said Ulrich Speck, senior fellow at the Elcano Royal Institute in Brussels.

"All eyes were on Trump and Putin. But the fact that there was no U.S.-China clash was at least as important. Xi stayed out of the alpha-male fight. China presented itself as a partner to Europe."
 
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Try it!..Talk is cheap like Chinese product....enough talk just do it..already!....This is not some copy and paste job..war needs balls and brain..which you dont have. I am sure in reality the generals of India and China know better, what the actual reality is. First control NK then we can talk.
Chinese products sell like hotcake everywhere while only cheap ones are bought like crazy in india, you know why? Cos indians are cheap, simple ha, cheap people! And you IQ82 talk about brain? NK nuke target muricans, the more the merrier, why give a fk about control them? It only takes us one button and 50 megatons can wipe you off the map, you can do jack sh!t with your pathetic 1 megaton, then Pak forces alone can slaughter every single hindu still walking, your 2.5 war is saying bye bye to india?
 
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Keep us updated with the latest development. Pakistan is standing with our Chinese brothers.
Update me too if :sniper:
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Yet, indian army chief tells indians that he is ready win war against China, Pakistan and imaginary 1/2 enemy simultaneously. That dog has company of indian finance minister barking indian in 2017 is different from 1962.
What does imaginary half mean--BANGLADESH:bounce:
 
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Like i said,your paper strength means absolutely nothing.Try and answer the points i have raised on terrain,logistics,battle experience,high altitude handicap for your airforce,our naval blockade capability etc rather than attacking me.Please go ahead and counter them.And do take a look at the real IA in this thread.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indian-military-picture-thread.4905/page-642
You chinese posters have a habit of taking snippets of negative news about the IA(not that your army isn't corruption ridden)and thinking you will face some joke starving rag tag rabble.Feel free to correct yourselves.
You don't have the military ability to do anything and your army knows it.Thats why first warning,then begging etc etc blah blah.

If “paper strength means absolutely nothing", why are you telling me that Indian Navy can hold Chinese economy hostage? and why you Indians are so obsessed about your "ranking in the world"? You don't have to venture far, you can find plenty of these threads by Indians right on PDF. What makes your strength any more than "paper strength"?

Your ability to hold China's economy hostage is not much different from China's ability to hold your national capital hostage, some short range missiles and long range MRLs will do. Admittedly, India is more dug-in and stations more manpower on China-India borders, but isn't that one of the reasons that your economy is only amounted to 1/5 of that of China today? Besides, a modern war is not about how many foot soldiers who can fire a rifle, it is about the strategic planning and national strength.

Over the years, you have collected a bunch of foreign weapons from all major countries around the world, which help to boost your testosterone, so you think you are now in position to be as cocky as you want? Overconfidence is always the prelude to disaster, my friend. If you represent the typical Indian mindset today, I would have to say that you did not learn your lesson of 1962 well. It is not Nehru himself as the PM, but the hype nationalism of whole India that drove you to your humiliated defeat.

British agreed to the independence of India after WWII, that gave you a false sense of being the victor of the war against one of the most powerful empires in the world. That is why you guys are so obsessed about your defeat in 1962 in the hand of China, a supposedly weak country to look down upon.

I have read an article in one of Chinese military forums, written by a Chinese army officer who has the experience working with IA officers closely in UN peace keeping missions. According to him, nothing has fundamentally changed in IA since 1962, google ”Luo Fuqiang on India military", 罗富强:假如再打一次,印军仍旧不堪一击
 
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If “paper strength means absolutely nothing", why are you telling me that Indian Navy can hold Chinese economy hostage? and why you Indians are so obsessed about your "ranking in the world"? You don't have to venture far, you can find plenty of these threads by Indians right on PDF. What makes your strength any more than "paper strength"?

Your ability to hold China's economy hostage is not much different from China's ability to hold your national capital hostage, some short range missiles and long range MRLs will do. Admittedly, India is more dug-in and stations more manpower on China-India borders, but isn't that one of the reasons that your economy is only amounted to 1/5 of that of China today?

Over the years, you have collected a bunch of foreign weapons from all major countries around the world, which help to boost your testosterone, so you think you are now in position to be as cocky as you want? Overconfidence is always the prelude to disaster, my friend. If you represent the typical Indian mindset today, I would have to say that you did not learn your lesson of 1962 well. It is not Nehru himself as the PM, but the hype nationalism of whole India that drove you to your humiliated defeat.

British agreed to the independence of India after WWII, that gave you a false sense of being the victor of the war against one of the most powerful empires in the world. That is why you guys are so obsessed about your defeat in 1962 in the hand of China, a supposedly weak country to look down upon.

I have read an article in one of Chinese military forums, written by a Chinese army officer who has the experience working with IA officers closely in UN peace keeping missions. According to him, nothing has fundamentally changed in IA since 1962, google ”Luo Fuqiang on India military", 罗富强:假如再打一次,印军仍旧不堪一击

You don't hold our capital hostage at all,how will your MBRL fire its rockets over the himalayan peaks?Lol.You want to fire missiles at civilian targets,you are looking at nuclear war -because no one knows what is in a ballistic missile heading for a civilian target centre.None of that ofcourse changes the fact that your army is still straving inside tibet with its roads gone and ur airforce is handicapped.It is not overconfidence at all ,it is an understanding of our own capability.Again please,answer the points below point by point.I still haven't recieved any comprehensive answer from a chinese poster who keep insisting china will blow india away but just can't seem to answer my points.It should be easy to answer them,isn't it since you are so superior to us?

Logistics -

We already have 200K + troops in the northeast deployed(3 mountain divisions in sikkim,3 in arunachal ,3 in nagaland ,1 in ladakh with 1 more Inf div earmarked for mt warfare in reserve in ladkah) .Your infrastructure advantage will allow you to mobilize more quickly in peacetime,but is useless in wartime.You have 3 main road links into Tibet through the mountains and tunnels.All 3 will be gone day 1.Then how will you supply your troops?Your army needs food,ammo and diesel and tibet is a barren area.You will starve,the more troops you have to feed and supply ,more helpless you will be.We are fighting on our home bases in Sikkim and Arunachal,while you are thousands of miles away from your core.Also understand its not enough to just bring in troops fast from the hinterland,unless they are acclimatized to mountain conditions they will fall sick.You have 3 acclimatized brigades in tibet,we have 10 mountain divisions dug in who live there permanently.
Moreover your airlift capacity is very weak unlike USAF and most of heavy lift transports like IL-76 can't operate effectively in high altitude Tibet,while our airlift ability is also modest,C-17s can operate anywhere ,even on flat stretches of ground.

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Terrain -
Just look at the above pictures and try to understand the terrain.We have the high ground.Our forces are dug in on the heights overlooking yours.In mountainous terrain military wisdom has it you need a 8-9 :1 advantage in numbers against a defender.We found this to be true in Kargil.In 1962 you achieved this ratio and were able to get surprise.You have none of these now.Our artillery overlooks your positions and are sited on the reverse slope,thus largely invulnerable to counter battery fire.We pounded the chinese at Nathu la in 1967 precisely because of this .

The only area china can actually use its armour and artillery effectively is Ladakh region which more flat.Though we have deployed 3 tank brigades in this region recently due to this fear,i concede this is the one region where china could do some damage.The same logic doesn't apply to our mountain fortresses in sikkim and arunachal.Our forces are dug in,and you can't even use heavy vehicles in any quantity there.Even old ATGMs which we have in thousands are enough for light tanks,our best ATGMs can be reserved for Ladakh and Pakistan rajasthan/punjab plains area.
Moreover your tanks with air-cooled diesel engines won't work on tibet plateau due to altitude.

Our trump card in AT capability if the need arises of course will be - the CBU-105 cluster munition bomb.One good bomb run = one dead enemy tank regiment.Once we get the soon to arrive apaches with 16 hellfires it will seal the deal.

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Troop quality -
We have 11 dedicated mountain divisions,almost all created after 1962 and trained in the High altitude infantry school,one of the best in the world where USA,UK,Israeli,German and Russian forces too have taken training.We have fought in Kargil,live in Siachen and conduct daily ops in such conditions.Many of our mountain units are composed of natural mountain fighters from these areas like garhwal,gurkha,dogra,tibetan forces.Moreover you will also have to deal with Tibetan commandos who know the terrain like the back of their hand,hate you with a passion and will wreak havoc on your forces and supply lines.In 1962 you had the veterans of korea,ww2 and the civil war.Now we have the veterans.

Airforce -
First of all you can only employ 30-40% of your airforce at most from the bases at Tibet and chengdu ,and they will be congested.
2nd ,all your main fighters ,except perhaps the J-11D lack OBOGs and will fly handicapped with limited sortie time,endurance,payload and performance.All our main fighters Su-30MKI,mirage-2000 and Mig-29s have OBOGs and will outclass yours.
3rd,our pilots have more flight hours than yours,especially the sukhoi pilots.Train with far more top quality airforces and have actual experience of high altitude aerial warfare in Kargil.
4rth,we have access to far better aerial reconaissance capability in the form of the Israeli Reccelite SAR pod on our sukhois which is used worldwide and unmatched by any equivalent except US products like DB-110.
5th,your jets will be taking off from the flat tibet plateau with little terrain cover and thus easily visible on our frontier radar systems.Our jets can operate from the hinterland behind mountainous cover and thus use terrain masking to effectively surprise your forces.We can also flank you from our airbases in Kashmir and Uttarakhand/himachal.
6th,we can operate on our side under the cover of our best AWACS -the phalcon.Whereas your jet KJ-2000 awacs can't operate at all from tibetan airbases due to altitude limitations.That is why you have had to substitute it with propeller driven ZDK-03 in tibet.Not only is it less capable than phalcon in electronic capability,its also based on a joke 1950s design propeller plane which will be a sitting duck in a high threat conventional environment.

Navy -
Your weakest link.If war starts India can sink your oil tankers with impunity in the IOR.You will survive with your internal strategic reserves,but your export economy will crash.You have a huge debt-GDP ratio.Your economy will collapse.What can China do to intervene in IOR?Very little atm .

Your casino carrier joke breaks down in exercises and hardly goes out to sea,if that and any of your surface ships show up IN can easily sink the flotilla with a three pronged attack from underwater,land based aircraft and missiles ,and our own surface ships with brahmos and klub.Andaman ,our unsinkable carrier will be the lynchpin of such a defense.Before you bring in your ASBM theory,not only will you have no way to identify and track moving Indian ships in the IOR like you can in SCS (with land based radars and aircraft)except satellites(which can only do limited surveillence,otherwise there would be no need for surveillence aircraft). Furthermore this ASBM u people talk about has never ever been tested except on a static target in the gobi target lol.If you were going to talk about a wonder weapon,you will have to do better than that.

Coming to submarines.Your few SSNs are extremely noisy and are routinely picked up by us.We have a data sharing arrangement with the USA on movement of chinese submarines in IOR to boost this further.On to your vast SSK fleet,Song class is hopelessly obsolete.Kilos and Song class do not have AIP and thus can't operate in faraway IOR as they would have to surface regularly to recharge batteries and be sitting ducks.That leaves 15 odd Yuan class submarines.These are both quiet and have AIP,but would be at the end of endurance to operate in IOR.It would thus be a one way trip for them.Unlike in peaceful patrols when they could replenish themselves at neutral ports and move at periscope depth in international waters when necessary,they will have to operate in hostile endurance with not enough endurance to make it back to china unless they could dock in a friendly port -Sri lanka and Bangladesh won't allow you as that will bring down indian assault and will stay neutral.If only you could go around the entire indian peninsula and somehow reach pakistan you can survive,you will have to do that in the teeth of the entire IN and move in front of its bases of both western and eastern commands.In any case you will be more busy reaching pakistan to survive than spending time in active patrolling.Without a real string of pearls on the ground with naval bases in bangladesh and sri lanka(and we checkmated you on both occasions) to help replenish your submarines they are thus toothless.Our latest P-8I and ATLAS sonars on our ships will be eagerly waiting.

As for ur own army -
https://qz.com/174402/chinas-military-worries-that-its-one-child-recruits-are-wimps/
 
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