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KABUL:Worried about militants sneaking into a restive Chinese region from war-torn Afghanistan, Beijing is in talks with Kabul over the construction of a military base, Afghan officials say, as it seeks to shore up its fragile neighbour.


The army camp will be built in Afghanistan’s remote and mountainous Wakhan Corridor, where witnesses have reported seeing Chinese and Afghan troops on joint patrols.

The freezing, barren panhandle of land – bordering China’s tense Xinjiang region – is so cut off from the rest of Afghanistan that many inhabitants are unaware of the Afghan conflict, scraping out harsh but peaceful lives.

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However they retain strong links with neighbours in Xinjiang, and with so few travellers in the region local interest in the Chinese visitors has been high, residents told AFP on a recent visit there.

China’s involvement in the base comes as President Xi Jinping seeks to extend Beijing’s economic and geopolitical clout.

The Chinese are pouring billions of dollars into infrastructure in South Asia. With Afghanistan’s potential to destabilise the region, analysts said any moves there would be viewed through the prism of security.

Beijing fears that exiled Uighur members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) are passing through the Wakhan into Xinjiang to carry out attacks.

It also worries that Islamic State group militants fleeing Iraq and Syria could cross Central Asia and Xinjiang to reach Afghanistan, or use the Wakhan to enter China, analysts say.

Afghan and Chinese officials discussed the plan in December in Beijing, but details are still being clarified, Afghan defence ministry deputy spokesperson Mohammad Radmanesh said.

“We are going to build it (the base) but the Chinese government has committed to help the division financially, provide equipment and train the Afghan soldiers,” he told AFP recently.

A senior Chinese embassy official in Kabul would only say Beijing is involved in “capacity-building” in Afghanistan.

NATO’s US-led Resolute Support mission in Afghanistan declined to comment. But US officials have previously welcomed China’s role in Afghanistan, noting they share the same security concerns.

Members of the Kyrgyz ethnic minority in Wakhan told AFP in October they had been seeing Chinese and Afghan military patrols for months.

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“The Chinese army first came here last summer and they were accompanied by the Afghan army,” said Abdul Rashid, a Kyrgyz chief, adding that he had seen vehicles flying Chinese flags.

The Afghan army arrived days earlier “and told us that the Chinese army would be coming here”, he said, adding: “We were strictly told not to go near them or talk to them and not to take any photos.”

Rashid’s account was confirmed by other Kyrgyz, including another chief Jo Boi, who said the Chinese military spent almost a year in Wakhan before leaving in March 2017.

Both Chinese and Afghan officials deny the claims, with China’s defence ministry telling AFP that the “Chinese army is not engaged in any military operation in the Wakhan Corridor”.

With little access to the corridor, Kabul provides almost no services to those who live there – but the Chinese, Boi said, have been bringing “a lot of food and warm clothes”.

“They are very good people, very kind,” he told AFP.

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After their March visit, he said, they returned in June for roughly a month. “Since then they come every month… to distribute food.”

China fears militancy could threaten its growing economic interests in the region, Ahmad Bilal Khalil, a researcher at the Kabul-based Center for Strategic and Regional Studies, told AFP.

“They need to have a secure Afghanistan,” he said, estimating Beijing had provided Kabul with more than $70 million in military aid in the past three years.

It recently flagged the possibility of including Afghanistan in the $54-billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) linking western China to the Indian Ocean via Pakistan.

“The anti-terrorism motivation is an important one but it’s not as important as the bigger move to boost the CPEC,” said Willy Lam, a political analyst in Hong Kong.

Kabul is also keen for Beijing to have a “more active role”, Andrew Small, author of The China-Pakistan Axis, told AFP.

It hopes China will use its “special relationship” with Islamabad to encourage the Pakistani military, who wield significant influence over Afghanistan’s insurgents, to “force the Taliban into peace talks”, Small said.

“In the end China has vastly greater financial power than anyone else.

So having them engaged… may end up being critical to the country’s basic economic viability,” he said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1624513/3-china-talks-military-base-remote-afghanistan/
 
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Its good development for Afghanistan governtment and army. It will help Afghan army and their fight against Taliban mercenaries
 
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More like a temporary camp than a permanent base, I think. After all they only visit once a month previously.
 
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Chinese operations will be mostly limited to the Wakhan corridor. It's the most efficient way to seal off the border and provide 300 km of strategic depth. The Wakhan corridor is a natural funnel for any terrorists as on either side are tall mountain ranges and flanked by China's regional partners, Pakistan and Tajikistan.
WakhanCorridor_map.jpg


I am of the perspective that China and Pakistan and other regional partners should coordinate its own security framework and economic plan to transform Afghanistan in to one that is more suitable for the region. Currently it is a failed state that sits on a geostrategically important location. It's not a good situation for any regional power.

The long term foundation for such a plan should be economic, backed by minimal military presence for security. Most of the heavy lifting should be done by local authorities. The viability of such a plan will be 10-20 years down the road when many of China's industries shifts to Pakistan and Pakistan's economic growth accelerates. Eventually start integrating Afghanistan into CPEC. As a strategic goal Pakistan should develop its heavy industries and other resource heavy sectors, initially attracting outside companies to set up shop would help immensely. The reason for this is it exploits regional competitiveness and sets a foundation for the integration of Afghanistan into Pakistan and China's orbit. Full integration as some are proposing is only viable in the long term if a solid foundation has been established.

Economic framework and the influence of institutions
The current issue with Afghanistan is the breakdown of its institutions. The state is unable to maintain a cohesive country as a result. Without effective institutions a nation cannot coordinate and provides opportunities for outsiders to provide these much needed institutions. Institutions allow shift in policy and sways long term opinions. Every nation has centrifugal (moving away) and centripetal (moving together) forces and institutions are the regulators of that dynamic. The best framework for implementing properly functioning institutions is economic. It is the easiest entry point and allows for the most sustainable presence due to the win-win dynamic. China and Pakistan should take this opportunity to push institutions that are favourable to their interests in Afghanistan, starting with economic.

At the most primitive level people work together out of survival or personal gain, in this case economic opportunities means personal gain and long term economic survival (but Afghanistan doesn't fully realise yet, it has yet to create a significant class of people tied to that interest). Afghanistan being a land locked country requires access to deep water ports for its economic viability, Pakistan provides an opportunity for that. Currently there is some bad blood between Pakistan and Afghanistan due to decades of instability. This is an opportunity for China to be an indirect mediator. China is currently taking independent action on developing Afghanistan's mining sector, close to Pakistan's border. These materials will be mostly shipped to Pakistan as the terrain and distance to China's economic centres are too rough and distant. This is a perfect opportunity for Pakistan to exploit this resource flow and consume some in its heavy industries and profit off value adding in the supply chain. Afghanistan will be the upstream resource source for these industries.

The resource benefits for Pakistan is clear but this also has a profound impact on Afghanistan. This economic activity incentives the formation of grassroots institutions and centralised institutions. Giving rise to a class of local chieftains and workers who benefit and have a stake in this new found wealth. During this formative period, a change in attitudes towards Pakistan will occur, and actively forming this attitude is important. They can be swayed by incentives provided by various companies operating there and much of the social tensions will be realigned towards obtaining economic means. This provides opportunities for partners like Pakistan and China to enter and be an arbiter of sorts and direct regional institutions. For the central power in Kabul, this will give rise to a class of politicians and new wealth individuals that are more closely connected to the economic and eventually security institutions of China and Pakistan. Currently they do not fully realise the benefits of economic wealth, but once they have a taste, they won't allow the flow to stop. A large part of that valve is in the hands of Pakistan. Though hard measures like overt threats to close the valve is unproductive as other routes will be developed thus close and cartel like relations with Iran will be helpful. If done correctly economic integration means integration of institutions between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
 
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Pakistan should have taken over Waknan Border long time ago, it should have been part of Pakistan during Partition plans and the current boundary makes no sense.
 
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Pakistan should have taken over Waknan Border long time ago, it should have been part of Pakistan during Partition plans and the current boundary makes no sense.
Much of the borders left by imperial powers makes no sense nowadays, it doesn't reflect the realities on the ground. The corridor was an artefact to buffer the British Empire and Russian Empire but that is long gone. It's up to the current regional powers to shape a new reality more suitable for its development.
 
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Chinese operations will be mostly limited to the Wakhan corridor. It's the most efficient way to seal off the border and provide 300 km of strategic depth. The Wakhan corridor is a natural funnel for any terrorists as on either side are tall mountain ranges and flanked by China's regional partners, Pakistan and Tajikistan.
WakhanCorridor_map.jpg


I am of the perspective that China and Pakistan and other regional partners should coordinate its own security framework and economic plan to transform Afghanistan in to one that is more suitable for the region. Currently it is a failed state that sits on a geostrategically important location. It's not a good situation for any regional power.

The long term foundation for such a plan should be economic, backed by minimal military presence for security. Most of the heavy lifting should be done by local authorities. The viability of such a plan will be 10-20 years down the road when many of China's industries shifts to Pakistan and Pakistan's economic growth accelerates. Eventually start integrating Afghanistan into CPEC. As a strategic goal Pakistan should develop its heavy industries and other resource heavy sectors, initially attracting outside companies to set up shop would help immensely. The reason for this is it exploits regional competitiveness and sets a foundation for the integration of Afghanistan into Pakistan and China's orbit. Full integration as some are proposing is only viable in the long term if a solid foundation has been established.

Economic framework and the influence of institutions
The current issue with Afghanistan is the breakdown of its institutions. The state is unable to maintain a cohesive country as a result. Without effective institutions a nation cannot coordinate and provides opportunities for outsiders to provide these much needed institutions. Institutions allow shift in policy and sways long term opinions. Every nation has centrifugal (moving away) and centripetal (moving together) forces and institutions are the regulators of that dynamic. The best framework for implementing properly functioning institutions is economic. It is the easiest entry point and allows for the most sustainable presence due to the win-win dynamic. China and Pakistan should take this opportunity to push institutions that are favourable to their interests in Afghanistan, starting with economic.

At the most primitive level people work together out of survival or personal gain, in this case economic opportunities means personal gain and long term economic survival (but Afghanistan doesn't fully realise yet, it has yet to create a significant class of people tied to that interest). Afghanistan being a land locked country requires access to deep water ports for its economic viability, Pakistan provides an opportunity for that. Currently there is some bad blood between Pakistan and Afghanistan due to decades of instability. This is an opportunity for China to be an indirect mediator. China is currently taking independent action on developing Afghanistan's mining sector, close to Pakistan's border. These materials will be mostly shipped to Pakistan as the terrain and distance to China's economic centres are too rough and distant. This is a perfect opportunity for Pakistan to exploit this resource flow and consume some in its heavy industries and profit off value adding in the supply chain. Afghanistan will be the upstream resource source for these industries.

The resource benefits for Pakistan is clear but this also has a profound impact on Afghanistan. This economic activity incentives the formation of grassroots institutions and centralised institutions. Giving rise to a class of local chieftains and workers who benefit and have a stake in this new found wealth. During this formative period, a change in attitudes towards Pakistan will occur, and actively forming this attitude is important. They can be swayed by incentives provided by various companies operating there and much of the social tensions will be realigned towards obtaining economic means. This provides opportunities for partners like Pakistan and China to enter and be an arbiter of sorts and direct regional institutions. For the central power in Kabul, this will give rise to a class of politicians and new wealth individuals that are more closely connected to the economic and eventually security institutions of China and Pakistan. Currently they do not fully realise the benefits of economic wealth, but once they have a taste, they won't allow the flow to stop. A large part of that valve is in the hands of Pakistan. Though hard measures like overt threats to close the valve is unproductive as other routes will be developed thus close and cartel like relations with Iran will be helpful. If done correctly economic integration means integration of institutions between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Actually the wakhan corridor has no presence of terrorist as from what i know locals on the other side are very peacefull also if every year people from the other side come to Pakistan to chapursan valley olfor the yearly market well they buy and sell stuff if it was that dangerous than Pakistan wouldve sealed the boarder.

Pakistan should have taken over Waknan Border long time ago, it should have been part of Pakistan during Partition plans and the current boundary makes no sense.
Well we can always anex it . while its depth is of very few kilometers to Tajikistan while using several passes present between chitral and Afghanistan it can easily be taken over. But this needs to be done at a time where Afghanistan is the aggressor while Pakistan should be seen as a defender.
 
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Pakistan should have taken over Waknan Border long time ago, it should have been part of Pakistan during Partition plans and the current boundary makes no sense.
Our side of the wakan corridor is amazingly beautiful for trekking but a hard trek
 
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So China is doing a USA on Pakistan. I may be wrong but what if and what iffffff

Terrorists are from Pakistan?
 
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So China is doing a USA on Pakistan. I may be wrong but what if and what iffffff

Terrorists are from Pakistan?


Lost your marbles? Read the article. The said territory is part of Afghansitan.


"Beijing fears that exiled Uighur members of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) are passing through the Wakhan into Xinjiang to carry out attacks."

American occupied Afghansitan along with its minions like India has become a hotbed for mercenaries who under the patronage of CIA and RAW, not only hit Pakistan but also China.
 
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So China is doing a USA on Pakistan. I may be wrong but what if and what iffffff

Terrorists are from Pakistan?

LOL Not everyone sees the world through an Indian lens. Just because you are paranoid and obsessed with Pakistan doesn't mean that others are. If anything this is terrible news for India.

This is most welcome news and Pakistan will facilitate any way possible.
 
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