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China in mind, India to boost eastern air power
Wed Aug 8, 2007 6:25PM IST
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1 of 1Full SizeBy Bappa Majumdar

KOLKATA, India (Reuters) - India will embark on a major effort soon to boost air power on the eastern front, a top military commander said on Wednesday, adding new fighter jets among others, in an apparent move to guard against China.

The plans include moving two squadrons or 36 state-of-the-art Russian-built Sukhoi-30 aircraft to an air base in the east, adding advanced helicopters, strengthening runways and upgrading other air force facilities.

"The perception of east India has changed and our defences are at their peak to thwart any misadventure now, especially after what happened in 1962," Air Marshal P.K. Barbora told Reuters, referring to India's border war with China.

But apparently sensitive to the recent warmth in ties between the Asian giants, Barbora added that "we are not saying we are beefing up in the east to counter China".

"Rather, we are sending a strong message to everyone that we are ready for any misadventure from all corners," the head of India's Eastern Air Command said in a telephone interview from his base in the northeastern town of Shillong.

The world's two most populous nations fought a brief but brutal war over their 3,500-km Himalayan border in 1962, and both sides claim the other is occupying big but largely uninhabited chunks of their territory.

Although they have signed a treaty to maintain "peace and tranquility" along the disputed frontier and agreed to find a political solution to the row, talks have hardly made progress even as their business ties boom.

India blames the lack of progress on China's claim over the northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, in particular over its Buddhist enclave of Tawang. New Delhi says it cannot part with populated areas to settle the border dispute
"NO CONFLICT, ONLY TENSION"

Traditionally, India's military might has been largely focused on countering the threat from Pakistan on the western front as the two countries have gone to war three times in the last 60 years and have come close to fighting a few more.

But with an India-Pakistan ceasefire holding since 2003, and New Delhi on a spree to modernise its largely Soviet-era military, attention is now being turned to plug the weak links in the east, defence analysts say.

Besides deploying Sukhois at the northeastern air base of Tezpur later this year, the Indian air force would also add new combat helicopters and station some of the 126 fighter jets it is due to float bids to buy, in the east, Barbora said.

The length of the runway at the base in Kalaikunda in West Bengal would be increased, the air marshal said, adding that India had several "advanced landing ground" strips in mountainous Arunachal Pradesh and they were in good shape.

"In terms of numbers, we cannot match China as their economy is growing rapidly than ours," Barbora said.

"But if we talk about specifics in the northeast, we have a deterrent force available and will be well-prepared to cater to any misadventure with the force-multipliers in place."

"Tension will remain with China on the issue of the boundary," he said. "But we do not expect a conflict, only minor pinpricks."

Good Job.. babu's
 
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Since China is claiming any place with chinese influence as theirs, I claim all of China, Well Buddism originated in India, Buddha is an Indian, therefore China belongs to India.
 
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On the intellectual side, one thing I wonder about is why is India overtly stating things (almost to the point of raising eyebrows in China) about positioning assets closer to China? Why not do so quietly instead of raising the stakes publically by such statements?....this reminds me of the India DM Fernandes stating that China is threat # 1 during the BJP rule. Chinese on the other hand may have problems with India, but tend to not speak out about it openly very often (they too have made some statement, but very few and those too in reaction)....it seems to me that India does want to raise the stakes and is trying to do so openly...what good does it yield? Not sure about that.
 
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On the intellectual side, one thing I wonder about is why is India overtly stating things (almost to the point of raising eyebrows in China) about positioning assets closer to China? Why not do so quietly instead of raising the stakes publically by such statements?....this reminds me of the India DM Fernandes stating that China is threat # 1 during the BJP rule. Chinese on the other hand may have problems with India, but tend to not speak out about it openly very often (they too have made some statement, but very few and those too in reaction)....it seems to me that India does want to raise the stakes and is trying to do so openly...what good does it yield? Not sure about that.

If you read it clearly, it was all the reporters "fantasy land".

The air marshall was trying to not to raise the decibel levels.

we are not saying we are beefing up in the east to counter China

But any fool will understand that most of the external threats for India emate from Pakistan and China. So if the western command is strengthened, it IS against Pakistan, in east it is against China.

Yes, China is not raising the stakes lol. It was china which started saying that Arunachal Pradesh is a part of it. The Indian government didnt start it by talking about aksai chin. Dont forget that.
 
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Fantasy land? What do you mean? Should this report be taken with a grain of salt as most news reports?

Yes, China is not raising the stakes lol. It was china which started saying that Arunachal Pradesh is a part of it. The Indian government didnt start it by talking about aksai chin. Dont forget that.

I am not able to recall the exact context right now, but I do remember that Chinese stated this in reaction to something...not exactly sure what it was...
 
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Fantasy land? What do you mean? Should this report be taken with a grain of salt as most news reports?
I meant that they were "derivations" from what the air marshall said, by the journalist.

I am not able to recall the exact context right now, but I do remember that Chinese stated this in reaction to something...not exactly sure what it was...
It was just before some high level dignitary visit and whatever might be the provocation, one doesnt drop bombshells like those at that time.
 
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123 Agreement and the People’s Republic of China:

Guest Column: By Bhaskar Roy

SAAG - August 8, 2007

The agreement on peaceful use of nuclear energy, otherwise known as the “123" agreement, reached on August 1,between India and the US, has seriously upset the Chinese authorities. In Beijing’s perception, if the agreement goes through the US Congress, which is most likely, the
balance of virtual power positions between Beijing and New Delhi in the Asia and Pacific region would undergo a further readjustment in India’s favour. Such a scenario is highly disconcerting for China.

Although the Chinese foreign Ministry was yet to come out with a clear statement on the “123"agreement, they have periodically opposed it on various grounds. Its official reactions are expected some time later since its objections were not taken into consideration in the Indo-US bilateral deal. Beijing is expected to raise its surrogate countries, political groups and experts to exercise pressure before the agreement goes to the US Congress for the final approval in the coming months. Then, of course, are international non-proliferation regimes like the
45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), and the UN nuclear regulatory body, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) responsible for nuclear safeguards, and others.

The Chinese government argues that such an agreement will violate international non-proliferation regimes like the NPT and CTBT to which India is not a signatory. Both these regimes were created to keep India out of the group of recognized nuclear weapons powers. Beijing has repeatedly warned that Indo-US agreement will introduce a power imbalance in South Asia and revive arms race between India and Pakistan. As the last solution China argued USA should extend the same agreement to Pakistan.

China’s Pakistan proposition has no takers including those in the NSG. Australian Foreign Minister Ted Downer, while assuring supply of uranium to India under the same conditions it has done with China and other countries, made it clear that India had an impeccable record of non-proliferation while even outside the NPT, while Pakistan had little to say about its own.

Another concern raised by China that the 123 agreement will enable New Delhi to further its nuclear weapons programme was shot down by the relevant clauses of the relevant agreement. All imported uranium spent fuel will be in a special facility after use, and the entire process would be safeguarded by the IAEA under a special protocol, after reprocessing. Basically, India’s military programme will have no access to imported fuel.

The Chinese government is, however, not satisfied. It is looking for loopholes, and is suspicious of the ultimate objective of this growing Indo-US relations.

The US-China relationship has recently been undergoing a repositioning under the Bush administration, especially the second term of the US President. From a US-China bilateral strategy in the Asia-Pacific region in the 21st century, other important players have begun to stake for space in the region in a neutral foreign policy thrust, for participation. The players among other countries includes India, which irks Beijing.

Following India’s May 1998 nuclear tests (followed by Pakistan), China adopted a holy and emphatic position, with some help from Clinton administration in the USA, to hammer India into a corner. During his visit to China in the autumn of 1998, President Clinton gave in a lot to Beijing including the ombudsmanship of South Asia. Clinton, apparently, had his own compulsions including illegal Chinese funding for his elections.

Temporarily, therefore, the China-US position was that India must roll back its nuclear programme and, only after India’s compliance, Pakistan would follow since India was the first to test its nuclear weapons. A farce was about to be played on India and it is well known Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme was made in Beijing, along with the delivery systems like M-11 series of missiles.

Unfortunately for Beijing and its trusted ally Pakistan, the gambit did not work. Too many developments intervened -the Wen Ho Lee case involving transfer of US nuclear warhead design to China; US air attack on the Chinese embassy in Serbia; return of the Republican presidency in the USA; and rise of politically instigated Chinese nationalism targeting US “imperialism”.

China and its two allies, Pakistan and North Korea, have a less than honourable record of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD). It is on record that China is the epicentre of WMD proliferation. Pakistan received WMD technology and components from China illegally. This in turn was supplied to a number of other countries like Libya and Iran- the infamous Dr A.Q. Khan network of WMD proliferation. Beijing also facilitated Pakistan, North Korean exchange of nuclear and missile technology through its territory.

Having completed its strategy of setting up Pakistan as a stand alone nuclear weapon power to counter India, China signed an agreement in 2005 to assist Bangladesh in its civilian nuclear programme including training Bangladeshi nuclear scientists and engineers.

The Indo-US nuclear deal may influence the Chinese to adopt a hard line towards India in some critical respects notwithstanding their fast growing trade and economic relations. This approach became visible from the run up to Chinese President Hu Jintao’s visit to India last November. The Chinese adopted a sharp tone on the border issue especially on Tawang, with the Chinese ambassador in New Delhi opening their claim on the whole of Arunachal Pradesh without any apparent reason or provocation. Needless to say; it cast a shadow on the visit. If the aim was to test the resolve of the Indian people on the border issue, the answer was an emphatic no compromise on territorial issues.

Indirect warnings have begun to come from Beijing on Indo-US civilian nuclear cooperation and other Indo-US relations including the so-called India, US, Japan and Australia quadrilateral initiative in Asia.

Prof Wang Yiwei of Fudan University Centre for American Studies recently said in New Delhi that the Chinese perception of India’s behaviour or attitude would influence Beijing’s attitude towards the boundary question. Chinese soldiers do not give personal views publicly. They follow the laid down government line as directed. Prof Wang conveyed what he was told to.

The Chinese are apparently disturbed that their effortt over the last four decades to lock India in South Asia with Pakistan’s help and surrounding India through other South Asian and Indian Ocean Rim countries may not work any longer. As India grows outwardly the two countries are beginning to interface in different parts of Asia, especially South East Asia.

Speaking at the 14th ARF annual meeting in Manila on Aug 2, Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee announced India was developing a maritime package for the ARF member-state for civilian security protection like search-and-rescue, anti-piracy etc. The minister also emphasized that nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament are “mutually reinforcing̈ and go “hand in hand”

China perceives that the South China sea is its private Lake. The Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiaci, who was present at the ARF meeting, was apparently constrained. Only about a month back the Chinese navy had attacked Vietnamese fishing boats around the Spratley Islands apparently on Beijing’s orders. This is the typical Chinese method of “teaching a lesson” to those who do not fall in line with China.

Beijing has embraced globalisation, which is welcome. It has constructed the Gwadar deep Sea Port in Pakistan, is establishing a container terminal in Hammambota in Sri Lanka, has its listening posts in Myanmar and negotiating for port facilities in Bangladesh. The encirclement of India is obvious in their designs.

It would, therefore, make a mistake if it ties the Indo-US nuclear cooperation to evolve a new belligerent policy towards India. A new instability in the region is to no one’s interest.

http://www.saag.org/\papers24\paper2324.html
 
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Munshi ji, please write a comment or your views with any news clip. You have got tendency of posting a news clip and running away from discussion. I can draw many inferences from any news but I want to know, what do you want to suggest by posting such things.
 
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On the intellectual side, one thing I wonder about is why is India overtly stating things (almost to the point of raising eyebrows in China) about positioning assets closer to China? Why not do so quietly instead of raising the stakes publically by such statements?....this reminds me of the India DM Fernandes stating that China is threat # 1 during the BJP rule. Chinese on the other hand may have problems with India, but tend to not speak out about it openly very often (they too have made some statement, but very few and those too in reaction)....it seems to me that India does want to raise the stakes and is trying to do so openly...what good does it yield? Not sure about that.

You mean like the Chinese Ambassador claiming Arunchal Pradesh as theirs in New Delhi.
 
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The above saag.org article itself states 123 agreement will enhance Indian strategic assets as well as Indian Economy. As far as de-stabilization is concerned, the chinese have already done that by supporting Pakistan , trying to encirle India. So the game is on. This region is already unstable and India is on the back foot. I rather have the region unstable with India on the front foot, Chinese backing away from the Indians is not happening,

The chinese will fight the Indians to the last Pakistani
 
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You mean like the Chinese Ambassador claiming Arunchal Pradesh as theirs in New Delhi.

Maybe that was it, however not too unlike the Indian statements about no-compromise on Kashmir right before entering talking with Pakistan on the Kashmir issue.

The chinese will fight the Indians to the last Pakistani

Just like the Americans intend on fighting the Chinese to the last Indian..:cheers:

Its all part of the great game being played out.
 
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Maybe that was it, however not too unlike the Indian statements about no-compromise on Kashmir right before entering talking with Pakistan on the Kashmir issue.

Just like the Americans intend on fighting the Chinese to the last Indian..:cheers:

blain2, you stretched it a lil too far here. (however I do agree with the original point you made, our politicians harp a lil more than they should. no denying that.)

But still, Pak-Chinese blossoming love affair cant be equated to the US-India tie-up (which runs high on US's China-containment policy AND US-India economic relationship and potential..)

Its all part of the great game being played out.

So True...
 
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blain2, media normally puts out of context quotes, the reason for this deployment is very simple, Pune is getting cramed on by DGCA's heavy traffic, kalaikunda is now a revambed huge base to host multinational exercises, the reason diversification of MKI's is needed any amount of threats notwithstanding in the eastern sector.

Just like the Americans intend on fighting the Chinese to the last Indian.
Intend hehe.
 
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