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[F-22Raptor]

Regardless of what he look like, he is still a poor misguided soul.

He's got pictures of guys that killed a combined 100 million people. It's pathetic, to be honest...

 

[Zsari]

In fact, any US citizens are free to establish their own political party and topple the current political power at the next election. And you can do so with the backing and support from foreign entities.

But the chances of you achieving this goal will likely be 0%, even when you're free to campaign as much as you want. I doubt you can even get any significant attention from the average Americans, let alone trigger a protest, etc.

On the other hand, it is illegal to establish a political power in HK to change the political system. Yet, some minor influences from outside force can trigger a large civil protest and unrest.

You should ask is there any outside forces with significant resource and a pool of supporting NGOs as well as media outlets that's backing opposition political parties in those "stable" countries. The US Nazi party in the 1930's did make a splash, and was taken down quickly by the government via its tax laws and propaganda campaign.

 

[Zsari]

Hmmm, the problem with the "core principles" such as having a good and stable life, having basic needs satisfied, is that HK is a much more developed city than a lot of Western cities or even some western countries. In fact, I think HK is in the top 20% of the world when it comes to wealth, development and standard of living. Yet, some of the smaller and less developed countries in the lower rank (whether they are western or non-western) are relatively more stable. So I don't think it's the "core principles" and the state's ability to safe guard them that is the issue here.

HK being economically advanced is the major reason why the protest has basically fizzled out, that the majority there have no interest in rocking the boat. Hell, even the Occupy Wallstreet movement lasted much longer than that. It says to me that HK is rather stable politically. The fear of unrest are overplayed, and Beijing clearly sees that, choosing to take no action over the protest.

 

[-1o1-]

well that escalated quickly....

 

[Zsari]

Yes, it would be fine for you to do so. You did not know that there is a Communist Party of the USA and that it used to be clandestinely financed by the Soviet Union and China ?

Which is why there were not one but two red scare, basically propaganda campaign to rid of the CP.

 

[Snomannen]

The movement is legal. Or the govt is powerless. or both

The government and HKP have been acting so nice to those riots, that's one thing for sure.

 

[tranquilium]

The government and HKP have been acting so nice to those riots, that's one thing for sure.

Isn't it, we should learn from Americans and Europeans and go in with fully armed personnel and armored vehicles.

 

[JohnyD]

The government and HKP have been acting so nice to those riots, that's one thing for sure.

didnt read anything about riots in HK ...did you mean protests?

 

[gambit]

Which is why there were not one but two red scare, basically propaganda campaign to rid of the CP.

The CPUSA exists today. One of their recent conventions was held in capitalist New York City, of all places. So if the Chinese want to export their version of socialism to the US, feel free to do so. Persuasion, not force, and let the American public make up their own minds. If the Chinese failed, do not complain.

 

[mike2000]

Jeez i have said it several times before on here. In geo politics all actions are permitted, no matter how dirty/bad/unfair they might look. It doesn't matter whether its right or wrong, as long as your objectives are met. The end in this case, justifies the means.
As i said before, this is not just about China. Its the case with every established power and an upcoming power. Had it been say India, Brazil, Turkey or even Japan)) who was in China situation as an upcoming future rival/threat to U.S superpowerdom then they will be treated the same way(i.e using all available means to curtail them/slow them down) It has been the case for decades/centuries and will keep being so. It might not be too obvious/open like the battle between the U.S and U.S.S.R, but its still a competition to maintain supremacy/superpowerdom in the world. Afterall, who will like to share or give its number 1 position to another for free/without a tough fight? Nobody/country. So don't expect to have it without a fight(i'm not talking of a military one obviously).

So Chinese here should stop whinning and posting useless articles to justify that the U.S/U.K financed/influenced the protesters etc. Even if thats the case(i think it is indeed), then i still don't see anything wrong with it(geo politcally speaking). I will never say it enough, geo politics is not a clean game, and never will be, If you want a clean game then go be a doctor or go be a pastor(even though some are liars/cheat as well.lol). So when you become too big and try to challenge the established powers, then expect to learn how to play the game or perish like the Soviet Union

As for Japan, Just like my friend Leveraged buyout said earlier, it has nothing really to gain from supporting the protesters tbh. Moreover as i mentioned in my earlier post, Japan is still hated by the people of Hong Kong for historical issues and territorial disputes(they regularly send activists to the diaoyus islands etc), plus Japan has its own Okinawa issue which the Chinese can also exploit. So it will be adviceable for Japan to keep out of any hong Kong protests support or whatever, it has nothing to gain from it.

Finally, i disagree with my good friend Leverage buyout point about: 'US foreign policy is values-based and reactionary, so all of the Russian and Chinese talk of deep manipulation is simple projection.'

This couldn't be further from the truth if i understand what you mean by U.S foreign policy being value based and reactionary. U.S foreign policy is based on maintaining supremacy by all means possible, accompanied with divide and conquer(they learned it from us.) Moreover U.S foreign policy is more pro-active than reactive, Instead i will say its instead Russia and China foreign policy which is reactive since they tend to be on the defensive always. They are reduced to barely reacting to our moves since they are weaker and more vulnerable(not being a 'democracy') so they are susceptible to unrests(which we make use of to the maximum giving our 'democratic' credentials). If by value based you mean U.S foreign policy is based on spreading democractic values/principles then i must say im dissapointed in you my good friend. U.S foreign policy isnt value based at all( thought hey use it when needed to counter rival states/ennemy states), if they were we(U.S/west) wouldn't have as ally Saudi Arabia, GCC countries, etc.

China still needs development, remember that it is still a developing nation, and not in par with the post industrial states, yet. So it makes sense for China to emphasize regional infrastructure projects. Also, the United States does not have to worry about a population of 1.3 billion people.

Exactly, he doesn't seem to understand that the U.S is already a developed country(China will need at least 4 decades to get to U.S living standards today, assuming it keeps growing as fast as it has during the past decades, which i think its unlikely). So the U.S can afford to overspend on its military adventures, since its backed by a huge military industrial complex, worlds most technologically advanced companies, big economy, and has a defacto world currency, plus strong allies/subordinates accros the globe. This is something China(and no other country in the world) has snd probably wont have for decades to come.

 

[Zsari]

The CPUSA exists today. One of their recent conventions was held in capitalist New York City, of all places. So if the Chinese want to export their version of socialism to the US, feel free to do so. Persuasion, not force, and let the American public make up their own minds. If the Chinese failed, do not complain.

CPUSA is irrelevant today. If it ever become relevant, the US government will clamp down on it. It is the control of major media outlets and the infiltration of NGOs that will be far more important than funding some minor party.

 

[Zsari]

I know that this has been mentioned before, but I don't see any upside to Japan issuing even the bland statement that it did. If the protestors are seen as pawns of outsiders, it undermines their cause. If the protestors are abandoned by outsiders, it creates feelings of bitterness.

Hong Kong, and even Xinjiang, is less of a threat to the CCP than protests in Wukan. As other articles have pointed out, mainlanders couldn't care less about HK complaints, because they are not perceived to entirely belong to the same nation, but the Wukan protests struck at the heart of everything that's wrong with the Chinese development model.

Japan doesn't exactly have a good reputation in HK. Any support from the Japanese government would only put the protesters at a more awkward position. And no, it is not that mainlander don't care about HK, but the protests today is directly targeting the mainlanders for majority of the grievance is the perceived infiltration and disruption by mainlanders into the HK society. It's hard to gain sympathy and support when you call people locust to start with.

 

[gambit]

CPUSA is irrelevant today. If it ever become relevant, the US government will clamp down on it. It is the control of major media outlets and the infiltration of NGOs that will be far more important than funding some minor party.

The CPUSA is the formal face of all anonymous socialists/communists that infiltrated assorted left wing political groups in the US. If the CPUSA is irrelevant it is thanks to the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the Soviet Union that convinced the American public of the failure of the ideology that the CPUSA stands for. But if the CPUSA is ever going to gain political momentum via popular support, there is nothing the US government can do about it.

 

[Superboy]

He's got pictures of guys that killed a combined 100 million people. It's pathetic, to be honest...

Didn't stop population explosion, did they?

 

[Zsari]

The CPUSA is the formal face of all anonymous socialists/communists that infiltrated assorted left wing political groups in the US. If the CPUSA is irrelevant it is thanks to the spectacular and ignoble collapse of the Soviet Union that convinced the American public of the failure of the ideology that the CPUSA stands for. But if the CPUSA is ever going to gain political momentum via popular support, there is nothing the US government can do about it.

Oh, there are alot of things the US government can do. Tax evasion anyone? Another red scare?