Jeez i have said it several times before on here. In geo politics all actions are permitted, no matter how dirty/bad/unfair they might look. It doesn't matter whether its right or wrong, as long as your objectives are met. The end in this case, justifies the means.
As i said before, this is not just about China. Its the case with every established power and an upcoming power. Had it been say India, Brazil, Turkey or even Japan
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)) who was in China situation as an upcoming future rival/threat to U.S superpowerdom then they will be treated the same way(i.e using all available means to curtail them/slow them down) It has been the case for decades/centuries and will keep being so. It might not be too obvious/open like the battle between the U.S and U.S.S.R, but its still a competition to maintain supremacy/superpowerdom in the world. Afterall, who will like to share or give its number 1 position to another for free/without a tough fight? Nobody/country.
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So don't expect to have it without a fight(i'm not talking of a military one obviously).
So Chinese here should stop whinning and posting useless articles to justify that the U.S/U.K financed/influenced the protesters etc. Even if thats the case(i think it is indeed), then i still don't see anything wrong with it(geo politcally speaking). I will never say it enough, geo politics is not a clean game, and never will be, If you want a clean game then go be a doctor or go be a pastor(even though some are liars/cheat as well.lol).
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So when you become too big and try to challenge the established powers, then expect to learn how to play the game or perish like the Soviet Union
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As for Japan, Just like my friend Leveraged buyout said earlier, it has nothing really to gain from supporting the protesters tbh. Moreover as i mentioned in my earlier post, Japan is still hated by the people of Hong Kong for historical issues and territorial disputes(they regularly send activists to the diaoyus islands etc), plus Japan has its own Okinawa issue which the Chinese can also exploit. So it will be adviceable for Japan to keep out of any hong Kong protests support or whatever, it has nothing to gain from it.
Finally, i disagree with my good friend Leverage buyout point about: 'US foreign policy is values-based and reactionary, so all of the Russian and Chinese talk of deep manipulation is simple projection.'
This couldn't be further from the truth if i understand what you mean by U.S foreign policy being value based and reactionary. U.S foreign policy is based on maintaining supremacy by all means possible, accompanied with divide and conquer(they learned it from us.
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) Moreover U.S foreign policy is more pro-active than reactive, Instead i will say its instead Russia and China foreign policy which is reactive since they tend to be on the defensive always. They are reduced to barely reacting to our moves since they are weaker and more vulnerable(not being a 'democracy') so they are susceptible to unrests(which we make use of to the maximum giving our 'democratic' credentials). If by value based you mean U.S foreign policy is based on spreading democractic values/principles then i must say im dissapointed in you my good friend. U.S foreign policy isnt value based at all( thought hey use it when needed to counter rival states/ennemy states), if they were we(U.S/west) wouldn't have as ally Saudi Arabia, GCC countries, etc.
China still needs development, remember that it is still a developing nation, and not in par with the post industrial states, yet. So it makes sense for China to emphasize regional infrastructure projects. Also, the United States does not have to worry about a population of 1.3 billion people.
Exactly, he doesn't seem to understand that the U.S is already a developed country(China will need at least 4 decades to get to U.S living standards today, assuming it keeps growing as fast as it has during the past decades, which i think its unlikely). So the U.S can afford to overspend on its military adventures, since its backed by a huge military industrial complex, worlds most technologically advanced companies, big economy, and has a defacto world currency, plus strong allies/subordinates accros the globe. This is something China(and no other country in the world) has snd probably wont have for decades to come.
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