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Xi isn't gonna move an inch, demanding Beijing to make concession (what a joke). It's like a peasant demanding the Emperor to come to terms with commoners. I don't recall something like that has ever happened in other parts of the world.

Vietcongs should worry more about the 9 dash line first :lol:
should the protest spread into mainland, I guess, emperor Xi will lose his smile :(
 
Documents show US openly approves HK chaos

According to a recent article by MintPress News based in the United States, behind the so-called "Occupy Central" protests, which masquerade as a "pro-democracy" movement seeking "universal suffrage" and "full democracy," is a deep and insidious network of foreign financial, political, and media support. Prominent among them is the US State Department and its National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as well as NED's subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).

To push this agenda – which essentially is to prevent Beijing from vetting candidates running for office in Hong Kong, thus opening the door to politicians openly backed, funded, and directed by the US State Department – NDI lists an array of ongoing meddling it is carrying out on the island.

Since 1997, NDI has conducted a series of missions to Hong Kong to consider the development of Hong Kong's "post-reversion" election framework, the status of autonomy, rule of law and civil liberties under Chinese sovereignty.

It also claims: In 2005, NDI initiated a six-month young political leaders program focused on training a group of rising party and political group members in political communications skills.

NDI also admits it has created, funded, and backed other organizations operating in Hong Kong toward achieving the US State Department's goals of subverting Beijing's control over the island.

It should be no surprise to readers then, to find out each and every "Occupy Central" leader is either directly linked to the US State Department, NED, and NDI, or involved in one of NDI's many schemes.

"Occupy Central's" self-proclaimed leader, Benny Tai, is a law professor at the aforementioned University of Hong Kong and a regular collaborator with the NDI-funded CCPL. In 2006-2007 he was named as a board member – a position he has held until at least as recently as last year. In CCPL's 2011-2013 annual report , NDI is listed as having provided funding to the organization to.

There is also Martin Lee, founding chairman of Hong Kong's Democrat Party and another prominent figure who has come out in support of "Occupy Central." Just this year, Lee was in Washington meeting directly with US Vice President Joseph Biden, US Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, and even took part in an NED talk hosted specifically for him and his agenda of "democracy" in Hong Kong. Lee even has a NED page dedicated to him after he was awarded in 1997 NED's "Democracy Award." With him in Washington was Anson Chan, another prominent figure currently supporting the ongoing unrest in Hong Kong's streets.

If democracy is characterized by self-rule, than an "Occupy Central" movement in which every prominent figure is the benefactor of and beholden to foreign cash, support, and a foreign-driven agenda, has nothing at all to do with democracy. It does have, however, everything to do with abusing democracy to undermine Beijing's control over Hong Kong, and open the door to candidates that clearly serve foreign interests, not those of China, or even the people of Hong Kong.

Exposing the insidious, disingenuous, foreign-driven nature of "Occupy Central" is important. It is also important to objectively examine each and every protest that springs up around the world. Superficiality cannot "link" one movement to another, one group to hidden special interests. Rather, one must adhere to due diligence in identifying and profiling the leaders, following the money, identifying their true motivations, and documenting their links to special interests within or beyond the borders of the nation the protests are taking place in.
 
Your wishful thinking, check all the social networks in China, we are all against this protest and think they are stupid.
understandable. you live with communism since generations and get used with it, while the people of HK despise communism and mainlanders. same goes for TW.
 
understandable. you live with communism since generations and get used with it, while the people of HK despise communism and mainlanders. same goes for TW.

You have to know that not all Hongkongers support the protest and the action of 'occupying here and there'.

If you are in Hong Kong, you will know that there are a lot of HK citizens are standing against those protesters and have been trying to remove their "strongholds" on the streets.
 
understandable.

How quick you change your tune. But at least, the mainlanders have a home - they belong somewhere. HKers also have a home where they belong. But unfortunately for you - in Germany, you will always be alien. In HK, you will always be alien. Even in Vietnam - you are alien. When you go back to Vietnam, if you didn't use your euros - who are you? No one knows you, except that you speak with some funny German accent. So where do YOU belong?
 
You have to know that not all Hongkongers support the protest and the action of 'occupying here and there'.

If you are in Hong Kong, you will know that there are a lot of HK citizens are standing against those protesters and have been trying to remove their "strongholds" on the streets.

If you havent realized yet, like most (if not all) viet member here he got selective memory which mean he will only see the part he likes to see and ignore anything else, especially (but not limited to) about china issues.
 
By that argument, the preventative medicine discipline should be abolished, so should nutritionists and assorted therapists, after all, none of these specialists are ever perfect physical specimens, right ?

The various democracies are not perfect, but they are certainly much better than most of the hell holes in this world. For all your meaningless criticisms of the imperfect systems that gave you the freedom and wealth you currently enjoy, we all know you would rather live in and among imperfect democracies than perfect dictatorships.

You have the courage to criticize the imperfect democracies but are too cowardly to criticize ideal dictatorships.


What medicine should be applied to prevent the cancer to spread to more countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libyia and Syria. these countries were not very sound and the cancer pretended to be medicine and now the patients are more dead than alive.
 
You have to know that not all Hongkongers support the protest and the action of 'occupying here and there'.

If you are in Hong Kong, you will know that there are a lot of HK citizens are standing against those protesters and have been trying to remove their "strongholds" on the streets.
thank you for the clarification.
how are the opinions of the people in Macau?

How quick you change your tune. But at least, the mainlanders have a home - they belong somewhere. HKers also have a home where they belong. But unfortunately for you - in Germany, you will always be alien. In HK, you will always be alien. Even in Vietnam - you are alien. When you go back to Vietnam, if you didn't use your euros - who are you? No one knows you, except that you speak with some funny German accent. So where do YOU belong?
well, despite living here since ages I see Germany as a guest land, where I want to live and work for a period of time. my heart belongs to VN. No, I am not alien in my native country. I speak fluent vietnamese and visit my relatives when returning home.
 
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tiredness was beginning to show for the few hundred who remained.

If anything, these protests showed how futile it is to work with foreign agents to try to destabilize China. IMO, these idiots are actually further from their goals than if they hadn't protested at all. Their movement will be associated with lawlessness and any politicians they support in the future will automatically be suspected of being a foreign puppet.

They succeeded in only uniting the majority of Hong Kong and all of China against them, exposing their foreign pay masters, and wrecking their own futures. Rather than the deluded freedom fighters they believe themselves to be, they will be universally reviled as hanjian traitors to the Chinese race. And they only have themselves to thank.

Anti-China sellouts, your time is up. :agree:
 
If anything, these protests showed how futile it is to work with foreign agents to try to destabilize China. IMO, these idiots are actually further from their goals than if they hadn't protested at all. Their movement will be associated with lawlessness and any politicians they support in the future will automatically be suspected of being a foreign puppet.

They succeeded in only uniting the majority of Hong Kong and all of China against them, exposing their foreign pay masters, and wrecking their own futures. Rather than the deluded freedom fighters they believe themselves to be, they will be universally reviled as hanjian traitors to the Chinese race. And they only have themselves to thank.

Anti-China sellouts, your time is up. :agree:

lol how delusional

see what your former chief secretary says

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Hong Kong – betrayed by China. And abandoned by the British | Anson Chan | Comment is free | The Observer

Former Hong Kong chief secretary Anson Chan Fang On-sang has blasted the British government’s “profoundly disappointing responses” to pro-democracy protests that have rocked the city since late September.

In an op-ed article for the Guardian newspaper, Chan, now head of the moderate pro-democracy think tank Hong Kong 2020, writes that the UK has “a moral and legal responsibility to Hong Kong”.

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LIVE: Officials to meet with Federation of Students as mainland lawyers show support for reform

8.15pm A group of more than 50 mainland lawyers, scholars and other citizens have issued a statement in support of Hong Kong people's pursuit of democracy - while calling for democratic progress on the mainland.

In the statement signed by lawyers including human rights lawyer Teng Biao and others from different parts of the country, the group says Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying "misled" the national legislature into giving the city a framework for the 2017 chief executive election

"[Leung] must be held responsible for misleading the National People's Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC) with his report of political reform," the statement reads. "He must listen to the advice of different social sectors and make remedial measures."

"At the same time we feel that China is closely linked to Hong Kong's," it say. The group strongly demands the NPCSC to start, without hesitation, legislating for the direct elections of deputies to local people's congresses at provincial and municipal levels, "so that people's rights to elect and to be elected are implemented and a government by the people is built."

The group also said it objects to any violence and rights abuse. It notes that Hong Kong protesters' demand for public nomination in the 2017 election is legitimate.
 
US Now Admits it is Funding “Occupy Central” in Hong Kong | Global Research

Just as the US admitted shortly after the so-called “Arab Spring” began spreading chaos across the Middle East that it had fully funded, trained, and equipped both mob leaders and heavily armed terrorists years in advance, it is now admitted that the US State Department through a myriad of organizations and NGOs is behind the so-called “Occupy Central” protests in Hong Kong.


The Washington Post would report in an article titled, “Hong Kong erupts even as China tightens screws on civil society,” that:

Chinese leaders unnerved by protests elsewhere this year have been steadily tightening controls over civic organizations on the mainland suspected of carrying out the work of foreign powers.

The campaign aims to insulate China from subversive Western ideas such as democracy and freedom of expression, and from the influence, specifically, of U.S. groups that may be trying to promote those values here, experts say. That campaign is long-standing, but it has been prosecuted with renewed vigor under President Xi Jinping, especially after the overthrow of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych following months of street demonstrations in Kiev that were viewed here as explicitly backed by the West.

The Washington Post would also report (emphasis added):

One foreign policy expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive subject, said Putin had called Xi to share his concern about the West’s role in Ukraine. Those concerns appear to have filtered down into conversations held over cups of tea in China, according to civil society group members.

“They are very concerned about Color Revolutions, they are very concerned about what is going on in Ukraine,” said the international NGO manager, whose organization is partly financed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), blamed here for supporting the protests in Kiev’s central Maidan square. “They say, ‘Your money is coming from the same people. Clearly you want to overthrow China.’ ”

Congressionally funded with the explicit goal of promoting democracy abroad, NED has long been viewed with suspicion or hostility by the authorities here. But the net of suspicion has widened to encompass such U.S. groups as the Ford Foundation, the International Republican Institute, the Carter Center and the Asia Foundation.

Of course, NED and its many subsidiaries including the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute do no such thing as “promoting democracy,” and instead are in the business of constructing a global network of neo-imperial administration termed “civil society” that interlocks with the West’s many so-called “international institutions” which in turn are completely controlled by interests in Washington, upon Wall Street, and in the cities of London and Brussels.

a393441227e3d714d18313655f6de56e.jpgImage: While the Washington Post would have readers believe NED is in the business of promoting “freedom of expression” and “democracy” the corporate-financier interests represented on NED’s board of directors are anything but champions of such principles, and are instead notorious for principles precisely the opposite.
The very concept of the United States ”promoting democracy” is scandalous when considering it is embroiled in an invasive global surveillance scandal, guilty of persecuting one unpopular war after another around the planet against the will of its own people and based on verified lies, and brutalizing and abusing its own citizens at home with militarized police cracking down on civilians in towns like Ferguson, Missouri – making China’s police actions against “Occupy Central” protesters pale in comparison. “Promoting democracy” is clearly cover for simply expanding its hegemonic agenda far beyond its borders and at the expense of national sovereignty for all subjected to it, including Americans themselves.

In 2011, similar revelations were made public of the US’ meddling in the so-called “Arab Spring” when the New York Times would report in an article titled, “U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings,” that:

A number of the groups and individuals directly involved in the revolts and reforms sweeping the region, including the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt, the Bahrain Center for Human Rights and grass-roots activists like Entsar Qadhi, a youth leader in Yemen, received training and financing from groups like the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute and Freedom House, a nonprofit human rights organization based in Washington.

The article would also add, regarding NED specifically, that:

The Republican and Democratic institutes are loosely affiliated with the Republican and Democratic Parties. They were created by Congress and are financed through the National Endowment for Democracy, which was set up in 1983 to channel grants for promoting democracy in developing nations. The National Endowment receives about $100 million annually from Congress. Freedom House also gets the bulk of its money from the American government, mainly from the State Department.



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Image: US Senator John McCain on stage in Kiev, Ukraine cheerleading US
funded sedition in Eastern Europe. In 2011, McCain would famously taunt
both Russia and China that US-funded subversion was coming their way.
“Occupy Central” is one of many waves that have hit China’s shores since.



Pro-war and interventionist US Senator John McCain had famously taunted both Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and President Xi Jinping’s predecessor in 2011 that the US subversion sweeping the Middle East was soon headed toward Moscow and Beijing. The Atlantic in a 2011 article titled, “The Arab Spring: ‘A Virus That Will Attack Moscow and Beijing’,” would report that:

He [McCain] said, “A year ago, Ben-Ali and Gaddafi were not in power. Assad won’t be in power this time next year. This Arab Spring is a virus that will attack Moscow and Beijing.” McCain then walked off the stage.

Considering the overt foreign-funded nature of not only the “Arab Spring,” but now “Occupy Central,” and considering the chaos, death, destabilization, and collapse suffered by victims of previous US subversion, “Occupy Central” can be painted in a new light – a mob of dupes being used to destroy their own home – all while abusing the principles of “democracy” behind which is couched an insidious, diametrically opposed foreign imposed tyranny driven by immense, global spanning corporate-financier interests that fear and actively destroy competition. In particular, this global hegemon seeks to suppress the reemergence of Russia as a global power, and prevent the rise of China itself upon the world’s stage.

The regressive agenda of “Occupy Central’s” US-backed leadership, and their shameless exploitation of the good intentions of the many young people ensnared by their gimmicks, poses a threat in reality every bit as dangerous as the “threat” they claim Beijing poses to the island of Hong Kong and its people. Hopefully the people of China, and the many people around the world looking on as “Occupy Central” unfolds, will realize this foreign-driven gambit and stop it before it exacts the heavy toll it has on nations that have fallen victim to it before – Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Egypt, and many others.​
 
and now even the chinese from hong kong and mainland alike have come to support hong kong umbrella movement which has been funded by the americans



what a joke china has turned into under the great communist regime :rofl:


see what your former chief secretary says

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Hong Kong – betrayed by China. And abandoned by the British | Anson Chan | Comment is free | The Observer

Former Hong Kong chief secretary Anson Chan Fang On-sang has blasted the British government’s “profoundly disappointing responses” to pro-democracy protests that have rocked the city since late September.

In an op-ed article for the Guardian newspaper, Chan, now head of the moderate pro-democracy think tank Hong Kong 2020, writes that the UK has “a moral and legal responsibility to Hong Kong”.

and get the latest news

from scmp

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LIVE: Officials to meet with Federation of Students as mainland lawyers show support for reform

8.15pm A group of more than 50 mainland lawyers, scholars and other citizens have issued a statement in support of Hong Kong people's pursuit of democracy - while calling for democratic progress on the mainland.

In the statement signed by lawyers including human rights lawyer Teng Biao and others from different parts of the country, the group says Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying "misled" the national legislature into giving the city a framework for the 2017 chief executive election

"[Leung] must be held responsible for misleading the National People's Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC) with his report of political reform," the statement reads. "He must listen to the advice of different social sectors and make remedial measures."

"At the same time we feel that China is closely linked to Hong Kong's," it say. The group strongly demands the NPCSC to start, without hesitation, legislating for the direct elections of deputies to local people's congresses at provincial and municipal levels, "so that people's rights to elect and to be elected are implemented and a government by the people is built."

The group also said it objects to any violence and rights abuse. It notes that Hong Kong protesters' demand for public nomination in the 2017 election is legitimate.

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John McCain and his close ally ISIS memebers

Former Hong Kong chief secretary Anson Chan Fang On-sang has blasted the British government’s “profoundly disappointing responses” to pro-democracy protests that have rocked the city since late September.
Anson Chan Fang On-sang was promoted by Chris Patten in colony times

A group of more than 50 mainland lawyers, scholars and other citizens have issued a statement in support of Hong Kong people's pursuit of democracy - while calling for democratic progress on the mainland.
50 is 0.0000003% of Chinese population, you can not guarantee some mutants in such a big number
 
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