China greets PM Modi with wrong map of India, Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh missing

[scorpionx]

On and off, as vassal since 600. Last incorporated around 1700s.

Isn't it true that Eastern parts of Tibet were subjugated by Chao Erh-feng without any consent from the Manchu empire? A large amount of Tibetan tracts like Sangen, Ganjo were illegally occupied by the brilliant general mentioned above, even though Tibet as a suzerain was to be protected from any such military expeditions? In the end, just before the revolution that dethroned the Manchus, a vast territory of your vassal state was unethically gulped by the Chinese. Wonderful way of establishing a political unit, I must say. I am not implying what is ethical or unethical in the world of politics but the way you all troll about Indian history of subjugation of princely states is mind boggling.

 

[BuddhaPalm]

What a slap in Modi's face. Look at Modi shamed so badly. Still he is too cowardly to walk away and return to India.

 

[Fattyacids]

Isnt it true that Eastern parts of Tibet were subjugated by Chao Erh-feng without any consent from the Manchu empire? A large amount of Tibetan tracts like Sangen, Ganjo were illegally occupied by the brilliant general mentioned above, even though Tibet as a suzerain was to be protected from any such military expeditions? In the end, just before the revolution that dethroned the Manchus, a vast territory of your vassal state was unethically gulped by the Chinese. Wonderful way of establishing a political unit, I must say. I am not implying what is ethical or unethical in the world of politics but the way you all troll about Indian history of subjugation of princely states is mind boggling.

Chinese suzerainty over Tibet was never in question. The British acknowledged it, so did post-independent India PM Nehru. Chinese asserting control of Tibet during the tumultuous transition to a republic has more historical legitimacy than India annexation of the seven Northeast states. Yes, it's good to leave out the ethics talk. FYI, my post was a rebuttal to the 2nd map posted by Griffin. Nothing mind boggling really.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

What a slap in Modi's face. Look at Modi shamed so badly. Still he is too cowardly to walk away and return to India.

What really matters is what they talk about

Even if China DEMANDS That Kashmir be given to Pakistan and Arunachal Pradesh to China
we can say NO on your face and THEN leave

Then you can make more maps and be happy

 

[GR!FF!N]

In 1947, you did not even have a country. Only British Raj (pink) and independent princely states (yellow)

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I know my country's history..its sad you don't know yours...

 

[Zhukov]

India officially Trolled by China

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

China greets PM Modi with wrong map of India, Kashmir, Arunachal Pradesh missing
IndiaToday.in New Delhi, May 14, 2015 | UPDATED 17:55 IST

Prime MinisterNarendra Modiand Chinese President Xi Jinping during a visit to Big Wild Goose Pagoda in Xian, Shaanxi Province, China on Thursday. Photo: PTIAs Prime Minister Narendra Modi began his three-day visit to China on Thursday, the Chinese state-owned media greeted the high-profile visitor with a wrong map of India. The map, aired by the CCTV, excluded Arunachal Pradesh and Kashmir from the Indian territory.

To be fair to China, the faux pa - though not a quid pro quo by any stretch of diplomacy - might remind the Chinese regime of the anchor of India's national broadcaster, Doordarshan, calling President Xi Jingping 'Eleven Jingping' in September last year.

India and China have disagreed for decades over which country controls two chunks of the Himalayan territory. China says Arunachal Pradesh is part of China, while India insists China is illegally occupying Aksai Chin, a rocky and largely empty region far to the northwest.

The two sides fought a brief war in 1962 over the latter territory. But the disputes have been low key for years now, with both countries much more concerned about boosting cross-border trade and investment.

Diplomats from the two countries now regularly discuss the territorial dispute in scheduled talks, but even if little progress is ever made, neither country seems to care very much.



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Tibet is also missing from China, why? And India without kashmir and Arunachal.

so both countries are like India without head, China without hips. Who made this map

 

[scorpionx]

Chinese suzerainty over Tibet was never in question. The British acknowledged it, so did post-independent India PM Nehru. Chinese asserting control of Tibet during the tumultuous transition to a republic has more historical legitimacy than India annexation of the seven Northeast states. Yes, it's good to leave out ethics in politics. FYI, my post was a rebuttal to the 2nd map posted by Griffin. Nothing mind boggling really.

Not really. Just because of the fact that India came as an independent republic only thirty years after the Chinese came does not in any way downplay its legitimacy over north eastern states as none of it were forcefully occupied as the Chinese had to over one of its vassal states. The princely states were annexed as desired by their rulers and people are participating in the democratic electoral process for nearly sixty years. Can you assert the same in Tibet? Or we have to redefine suzerainty for your convenience?

 

[Soulspeek]

Its bogus news that China was a single political unit for 2000 years. China has been ruled by various dynasties with varying political maps.

China is a continuous ancient civilization just like India.

Pakistan same as India. China has been a political unit over 2000 years. Your PM Modi visiting the tomb of the first Emperor of China.

PM Modi visits Terracotta Warriors Museum at Xi'an - The Times of India
" The mausoleum of Qin, being the tomb of the first emperor who unified the country. The mausoleum is associated with an event of universal significance, the first unification of the Chinese territory by a centralized state created by an absolute monarch in 221 BC. "

 

[Fattyacids]

Not really. Just because of the fact that India came as an independent republic only thirty years after the Chinese came does not in any way downplay its legitimacy over north eastern states as none of it were forcefully occupied as the Chinese had to over one of its vassal states. The princely states were annexed as desired by their rulers and people are participating in the democratic electoral process for nearly sixty years. Can you assert the same in Tibet?

The northeastern states were never traditionally part of or under suzerainty of any Indian states, whereas Tibet has been part of China for centuries,(acknowledged by the British, League of Nations and later India.) Some princely states seceded, some were outright annexed. Plenty of force too, India even carried out air strikes in Mizoram. You beat China to that.
Electoral process is an invalid point, China is not a democratic country like India. It is Ironic that you mentioned electoral process, why didnt India allow Kashmiris to have its plebiscite as promised by Nehru?

 

[Green Angel]

GREAT ...............

 

[scorpionx]

The northeastern states were never traditionally part of or under suzerainty of any Indian states, whereas Tibet has been part of China for centuries,(acknowledged by the British, League of Nations and later India.) Some princely states seceded, some were outright annexed. Plenty of force too, India even carried out air strikes in Mizoram. You beat China to that.
Electoral process is an invalid point, China is not a democratic country like India. It is Ironic that you mentioned electoral process, why didnt India allow Kashmiris to have its plebiscite as promised by Nehru?

The Chinese suzerainty over Tibet is not something I am disagreeing upon. What I am pointing out is the violations of basic rules and regulations between China and Tibet. A vast tract of region was illegally and forcefully converted into Chinese region just six years before revolution, do you agree with it or not? Did the republic followed the same historical relationship with the yellow hat leadership in Lhasa that had been maintained by the Manchu for the last 1300 years? You can answer simply in yes or No.

As far as forceful annexation of princely states are concerned, kindly go through the history of Junagadh, Hyderabad and Kashmir, the degree of chaos by the ruler's personal tantrums, corruption and the political precedence of subjugation before you call it outright annexation. Mizoram was a dark chapter of Indian democracy and it is widely criticized all over the public domain, that is natural in this democracy. We are not claiming to be sanctimoniously perfect, are we?

I know China is not a democratic country but Tibet was a historical suzerainty and it is free to hold its internal elections technically. Is it not? Strange that you did not go through 1948 UN resolution before asking me why we do not conduct elections in Kashmir. Please go through it. We can proceed then.

 

[Fattyacids]

Its bogus news that China was a single political unit for 2000 years. China has been ruled by various dynasties with varying political maps.

China is a continuous ancient civilization just like India.

Territory changes with time, but the political entity does not change. All the various dynasty adhere to this political unit called Zhongguo aka Middle Kingdom. There can only be one emperor. Ancient India was not a single political unit/single state, though both were ancient civilization.

 

[Fattyacids]

The Chinese suzerainty over Tibet is not something I am disagreeing upon. What I am pointing out is the violations of basic rules and regulations between China and Tibet. A vast tract of region was illegally and forcefully converted into Chinese region just six years before revolution, do you agree with it or not? Did the republic followed the same historical relationship with the yellow hat leadership in Lhasa that had been maintained by the Manchu for the last 1300 years? You can answer simply in yes or No.

As far as forceful annexation of princely states are concerned, kindly go through the history of Junagadh, Hyderabad and Kashmir, the degree of chaos by the ruler's personal tantrums, corruption and the political precedence of subjugation before you call it outright subjugation. Mizoram was a dark chapter of Indian democracy and it is widely criticized all over the public domain, that is natural in this democracy. We are not claiming to be sanctimoniously perfect, are we?

I know China is not a democratic country but Tibet was a historical suzerainty and it is free to hold its internal elections technically. Is it not? Strange that you did not go through 1948 UN resolution before asking me why we do not conduct elections in Kashmir. Please go through it. We can proceed then.

I mentioned Chinese suzerainty over Tibet to illustrate the legitimacy of Chinese rule vis-a-vis Indian's Northeastern states, a point which you debated. Regarding the so called violation of rights, it is not a simple yes or no answer. Put things in context, in the war torn era, no side will adhere to old agreement, its either you gain territory or you lose. This applies to every country. PRC was established as an unitary state, not a federation. Tibet had to be incorporated into China. However, it was accorded autonomous status rather than a province.

I bought up Mizoram air strike only to encounter you point that India did not use force, China did. Truth is, India used even more force over a region that it has less legitimacy vis-a-vis Chinas Tibet. Yet all we hear is Indian and world media crying about Tibet.

Since you know China is not democratic, the issue of electoral process is irrelevant. No, Tibet cannot have electoral process as it is incorporated into PRC, reasons I already mentioned in first paragraph. Lets be honest, India will never agree to a Kashmir plebiscite even if Pakistan and China willing to redraw the lines. Thats politics. Democratic value can go out the window.

 

[Echo_419]

It is their way of reassuring Pakistanis 'no we are not getting close to India, you are still our bff'. They need to do that whenever their premier visits India or when Indian PM visits China.

Agreed we should not get ahead of ourselves & declare this visit a failure just becuz somebody got the Maps wrong
Both countries should focus on increasing ties