sorry about the late reply............
i disagree. urkraine wasa problem that was preventable by the former presidant reaming in power. he was ousted.
turkey and russia is more of a suitable topic. a simple apoligy and sorry, and we wont do it again. and that would be enough to avoid sanctions. now lets not go of topic here, even though i started it.
i dont buy it but i shall take your word for if, for the sake of arguement.
ok seting aside the differance in price. you get the the parts we dont know about. i.e. the interest rate per month?, when the first payments due, after how long? penaltys for missed payments and repercussions. in short we dont know the deep financail details that are avaliable to the public. but i think indian citizens may be able to get theinfo via the freedom of information act. not sure
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Well, again, no point debating this as A. Their country, B. Off topic.
also this dont make sense.
The point is not solely rely on financial incentive, but also whether or not India would be able to afford the contract.
Well, it's what we call buyer psychology.
Say I am running a AU$50,000 budget to buy a car (or 26,000GBP), I wanted a car to be as much goodies as possible but since I am looking at the budget, I also want my car to be affordable. So say I have two choices, a 2014 BMW 328i or 2014 Lexus IS250, now both car are of the same price (+/-$500) and if I am neither BMW Fans or Lexus Fans and both car offer the same things, I would have choose whoever give me a better plan.
However, if budget is not a concern, and I have say $200,000 to buy any car, I would simply go after the one I wanted, and instalment or financial incentive is not really a matter. Or as my economy professor used to say, you won't wait for Ferrari to have a sale to get one.
Of course, I am not saying Japan HSR is Ferrari and Chinese HSR is Lexus, I am just saying as long as India can afford the budget, financial incentive is a good to have, but not a must have.
1. mmmm... if you go back to the begining here now you said japan was cheaper than china. wouldnt that mean japan is cutting corners or giving them a cheaper varient whilst china is giving the the full thing?
Well, building a railway is different than like building a car or plane, track gauge basically takes a lot of different. Money depends on the gauge because the gauge dictate the design of a railway car, which basically dictate the speed, the curve of the tracks and basically everything.. Being cheaper on the deal may be because of the gauge and design different, also it may have to do with how much technology Japan transfer to India. It does not mean Japan is cutting corner.
US uses Indian Gauge (1663mm) japan have done some car design for US Railway before, it would save money on the Indian project too.
2.now in regards to the waratah train. belows is a double deck version and they ae single deck versins too.
in the link below it did not mention ac units taking too much juice but other reasons. but in the end isnt it the job of the client to inspect the trains before delevery?
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All Sydney trains are double deck. Single Deck train are CountryLink fast train.
The AC problem is from 2012-2014, it was said to be the engine eat too much power in 2010 when the train start rolling out of China and start delivery to Sydney Rail. Sydney Rail rejected the train a few times (2 or 3) and send back to China for redesign along with all the design fault (like foggy window and so on)
It was later determined the Air Conditioning is the culprit of the problem.
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We cannot test the train until they reach Australia, as the testing circumstance is different in China than in Australia, all Sydney Rail can do is to give them the spec and the Chinese coach builder to built to the spec. Which is not the case.
3. ok you can have that one. but again china has experiance from alstom, bombardier, siemens and some other japanese firm which i cant remember the name of. they build train for china and they build them in china.
below is a a zefiro 380 hsr built in china with a mixture of chinese and canadian companies.
i admit japan is a major player in terms of high tech kit not just hsr's we are getting japanese trains too(below). we choose hitachi due to their already presence here and the investment being large. indeed india can learn a great deal from japanese tech
Well, we can all agree to that
thats a strange idea, what else would you do with a train? im sure japans proposal woud come with some off set to where indian would get some tech and local production, which can be used and aid localally develop trains.
well, I am simply saying if you just want to use those stock, then you weight in on the price is justifiable, but not when you want to build your own set later on.
I don't know about Chinese Train, but I do know one thing about the Japanese Train, it's impossible for them to break down or crash, unless it was the driver intention to crash the train deliberately.
Also, the Japanese Command software is second to none, have you ever saw a Japanese Train running late? Bear in mind the term "late" for the Japanese is 90 second late. I had waited almost my whole life (figuratively speaking) in a train station in US, Australia and China, I never miss 1 second in any JR line.
no offense here, your a good guy and all, but thats the strangest thing you have said so far. were are you seeing japan as the f15 and china as the jf-17? but roling with it, common sense would say i would pick the first.
Well it was 2 am when I wrote the post and I try to put a Japanese Product against a Chinese product. Yes, the comparison is a bit weird, better analogy is KA-50 and JF-17. they are comparable in price and function. So just replace the F-15 on my analogy with KA-50.
