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China: Doing it all yourself has its drawbacks

What is the base for your assumption?

Russia never demonstrate technological achievement in Supercomputer area, how could you claim Russia could build 10 times faster than china's Tianhe while USA themself is still struggling for such accomplishment?

Now USA has the Sequoia from IBM which is about 6 times faster than Tianhe-1A, although US can later pull out even more powerful supercomputer, but this record of Sequoia won't last very long against China. :coffee:
 
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Also Japan is a political puppet of USA, while China is not.

China is trying hard to get rid of the dollar which has driven USA almost mad. :coffee:

You can aggressively try this, but you cant not replace dollar, not in foreseeable future.

Now USA has the Sequoia from IBM which is about 6 times faster than Tianhe-1A, although US can later pull out even more powerful supercomputer, but this record of Sequoia won't last very long against China. :coffee:

Like I said, you can try hard to match US, in military you can match all, but u can not be the soft power that US is.
 
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Yes, the only agency responsible for outside India is RAW and that agency is not into technical espionage. I can say this 100% guarantee.

Everyone has technical espionage, no country is exceptional.

The problem is, can you really get those stuffs? If you can easily steal these important information from US, then there is no point for CIA and FBI to exist. :coffee:

You can aggressively try this, but you cant not replace dollar, not in foreseeable future.



Like I said, you can try hard to match US, in military you can match all, but u can not be the soft power that US is.

The soft power is built upon the hard power, without the hard power it is impossible for you to build up your own soft power.

You Indians still have much to learn before dreaming to become a superpower.
 
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Everyone has technical espionage, no country is exceptional.

The problem is, can you really get those stuffs? If you can easily steal these important information from US, then there is no point for CIA and FBI to exist. :coffee:



The soft power is built upon the hard power, without the hard power it is impossible for you to build up your own soft power.

You Indians still have much to learn before dreaming to become a superpower.

dreaming doesnt need learning...china is in their teens...india is still a toddler... :)
 
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Who said there was no need to perform mindcourse test?

Russian government said there was no need to perform midcourse tests, because Russia already had working ABM contrary to China.

No it is not. :disagree:

China is the first country to build ASBM.
Yes it is. USSR is the first country to build ASBM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-27_Zyb
The 4K18 was a Soviet intermediate-range ballistic anti-ship missile. First tests in 1974.
I already heard that you have a reading comprehension problems it looks it is true.
R-27K must be asbm in different sense, may be purely ballistic missile, therefore not effective.
while DF-21 is quasiballistic missile, mean the trajectory is not pure ballistic, therefore would require a precise and high-performance terminal guidance system, with in-flight updates or advanced sensors in order to hit its moving target. This precise guidance system was beyond sixties or seventies technology level. Like I said even USA is not capable yet, moreover Russia.

Every ASBM is quasi-ballistic how could you hit moving ship target with pure ballistic missile? :lol: You obviously dont have a clue about subject

What is the base for your assumption?

Russia never demonstrate technological achievement in Supercomputer area, how could you claim Russia could build 10 times faster than china's Tianhe while USA themself is still struggling for such accomplishment?

Students from any tech institute can build supercomputers if you give them enough money to buy components. The most powerful Russian supercomputer made by students.
 
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Russian government said there was no need to perform midcourse tests, because Russia already had working ABM contrary to China.

Do you read and understand about MIRV counter measure effectiveness that I explained above?

I bet you dont understand the topic you want to discuss, and act like a fanboy instead.

Yes it is. USSR is the first country to build ASBM.
R-27 Zyb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 4K18 was a Soviet intermediate-range ballistic anti-ship missile. First tests in 1974.
I already heard that you have a reading comprehension problems it looks it is true.

Do you read and understand the evidence I bring to you above?

They are stating that China is the first country to build ASBM.

There is no such a statement in your WIKI saying that USSR is the first country to build ASBM.
Nor your WIKI say anything about the USSR R-27 admirable performance. Never said USA's NAVY has ever feared with your USSR R-27. It is only your own imagination that expecting R-27 to be the formidable ASBM like DF-21D which is feared by USA.

Every ASBM is quasi-ballistic how could you hit moving ship target with pure ballistic missile? :lol: You obviously dont have a clue about subject
Who said so? is that merely your assumption? or you can back your claim by evidence?

If R-27 is quasi ballistic missile with advanced guidance system, then why China is said as the first one to build ASBM? and why USA still unable to build such a luxurious weapon?

IF R-27 is quasi ballistic missile with advanced guidance system, then why Russia never use it anymore to balance USA's NAVY?

Are you aware that you dont bring any evidence for your claim?

There is no such a statement that your R-27 is quasi-ballistic with sophisticated guidance, it is only your own assumption. On the other way round other people can easily and much more logically assume that R-27 is lame purely ballistic missile because Russia has abandoned it as it never scare US Navy.




Students from any tech institute can build supercomputers if you give them enough money to buy components. The most powerful Russian supercomputer made by students.

Are you aware that you never bring any evidence for your claim?

Who ever build powerful supercomputer, they require advanced technology.
Then show me what the most powerful supercomputer that Russia currently build? and at what rank?
 
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Р-27 (баллистическая ракета) — Википедия
Google translate:
R-27K

The initial decision of CM from 24 April 1962 on the establishment of the complex D-5 is also provided for a homing missile with a warhead capable of hitting moving ships. Antiship missile variant was designated P-27K (GRAU index 4K18). In the west, the rocket was the index of SS-NX-13. The missile was equipped with a second stage liquid rocket engine design KB-2 (the chief designer Isayev AM). To preserve the dimensions of the rocket were reduced size of the first stage, which ultimately led to a decrease in the maximum firing range of up to 900 km. The head of the monoblock, nuclear, power of 0.65 Mm. [18]

Building on the passive section was carried out using a passive radar seeker, with on-board digital signal processing computer system. [19] The original data were given for firing the satellite system, "FF" or the aviation system, "Success-U." Data processing equipment for naval intelligence "Killer Whale" made it possible to determine the coordinates of the ships up to 25 km. These data are constantly out of date - during prelaunch target location can be changed up to 150 km. [20] Therefore, for the second stage provided for control by two-time inclusion of second-stage propulsion system on the extra-atmospheric flight segment. Initially, as an option for an additional trajectory correction to the atmospheric part of the rocket warheads and equipment of low power. But later on this option was abandoned in favor of a purely ballistic, with a warhead of high power. [21]

Tests of missile system began in December 1970. [7]

The cycle of ground tests at Kapustin Yar included 20 starts (16 of them to be successful). [21] Under the support of 605 missiles on the project was converted submarine - "K-102" Project 629, with 4 missile tubes on the board. The first launch from the submarine was launched in December 1972. And in November 1973 trial ended in a volley dvuhraketnym. There were made 11 starts, 10 of them considered successful. During his last start, the target vessel was struck by a direct hit induced block. [21]

I know such a shock for Chinese fanboys to learn that their DF21D super wunderwaffe is just a copy of old soviet missile with 1960s technology that was later scrapped by Soviet navy because it was proven to be ineffective weapon against US navy :lol:
 
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Ð*-27 (баллистическая ракета) — Википедия


I know such a shock for Chinese fanboys to learn that their DF21D super wunderwaffe is just a copy of old soviet missile with 1960s technology that was later scrapped by Soviet navy because it was proven to be ineffective weapon against US navy :lol:

How do you know DF-21D ASBM is a copy of USSR old sixties' SS-NX-13 missile technology, fanboy? Any evidence, or just your wishful thinking? :lol:

Your article says so:
But later on this option was abandoned in favor of a purely ballistic, with a warhead of high power. [21]

Obviously the atmospheric trajectory correction was abandoned, and your SS-NX-13 was still "purely ballistic" missile. Therefore it is lame compared to DF-21D. Thats why DF-21D is called the first ASBM, not SS-NX-13.

Russia arrests Chinese 'spy' in row over defence weapons | World news | The Guardian

Copycat Chinese are so advanced compared to the Russians they do not need to clone, steal and copy do they? :disagree:

China not yet beat Russia in all kind of technology. Thats why china still steal some of Russian technology.
Besides, even high tech corporation of advanced countries still steal technology from competitors.
 
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China's Gatling gun rip off :lol:

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Obviously the atmospheric trajectory correction was abandoned, and your SS-NX-13 was still "purely ballistic" missile. Therefore it is lame compared to DF-21D. Thats why DF-21D is called the first ASBM, not SS-NX-13.

Yes, it was abandoned because it was totally unnecessary, but still there was exoatmospheric correction thats why R-27K is the first ASBM. And there is even no evidence that DF-21D is working or even capable to match R-27K performance, there was never reported any succesfull tests of DF21 hitting moving ship :)
 
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China is way ahead of Russia in UAVs

Russia can't build modern UAVs. China is way ahead in UAV technology.

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Inside Putin's Ambitious Push To Modernize The Russian Military - Worldcrunch - All News is Global

"The military industry has faced bitter failures. Some 5 billion rubles (125 millions euro) have been squandered by the Vega company in producing a new drone. The project finally had to be given to a private civilian company, and by waiting for a hypothetical Russian plane, Moscow was forced to give it to Israel."

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Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges

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Clearest Chinese Soar Dragon picture to date

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges | AVIATION WEEK

"Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges
By David A. Fulghum, Bill Sweetman
Jul 1, 2011

The latest unmanned aircraft pictures from China show a reconnaissance truck with a joined wing and tail that could considerably increase range and payload and produce better handling at high altitudes.

U.S. analysts already are suggesting that the new Chinese UAV design — with its 60,000-ft. cruising altitude, 300-mi. radar surveillance range and low radar reflectivity if it uses the right composite structure — could serve as the targeting node for China’s anti-ship ballistic missiles. The ASBM threat against carriers finally has U.S. Navy officials worried.

Photographs emerging from Chinese Internet sources, depicting the aircraft on what is likely Chengdu Aircraft Corporation’s (CAC) ramp, show a new design featuring a novel joined-wing layout. In the same size class as the General Atomics-Aeronautical Systems Inc. Avenger, and powered by a single turbofan engine, the new UAV is the most advanced Chinese design seen to date and the largest joined-wing aircraft known to have been built.

The company also makes the J-10 strike fighter, the J-20 stealth fighter prototype and a Global Hawk-like maritime reconnaissance UAV called the Xianglong, or Soaring Dragon, which flew in December 2009. CAC officials say it has a wingspan of 75 ft., length of 45 ft. and a cruise altitude of 55,000-to-60,000 ft. Chinese sources credited it with a 7,500-kg (16,500-lb.) takeoff weight and 3,800 nm range. The forebody is bulged to accommodate a high-data-rate satcom antenna.

Joined wings — a subset of closed-wing systems — comprise a sweptback forward wing and a forward-swept aft wing.

In the new Chinese UAV (as in many such configurations) the rear wing is higher than the forward wing to reduce the effect of the forward wing’s downwash on the rear wing’s lifting qualities. The rear wing has a shorter span than the front wing and its downturned tips meet the front wing at a part-span point.

Advocates of the joined wing claim that its advantages stem from the fact that the front and rear wings are structurally cross-braced.

This allows a higher aspect ratio while keeping down weight and staying within flutter limits. A higher aspect ratio reduces drag due to lift, and because the wings are both slender and short-span (relative to a single wing with equivalent lift) the wing chords are short, which makes it easier to achieve laminar flow. The joined wing also can reduce trim drag.

Studies of joined wings go back to the earliest years of aviation, but modern work is traceable to Julian Wolkovitch, a California aerodynamicist.

Wolkovitch worked with Burt Rutan on an early design study, the Model 58 Predator agricultural airplane, and drew up plans to develop a flight demonstrator based on the fuselage of the Ames-Dryden AD-1 skewed-wing aircraft. However, the project was still unfunded when Wolkovitch died in 1991. (Rutan went on to build a different Predator design.)

More recently, Boeing used a joined-wing configuration in its contribution to the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL) SensorCraft project, aimed at developing an aircraft capable of carrying an airframe-integrated, 360-deg.-coverage, high-resolution radar and remaining on station for 30 hr. at 2,000 nm range.

A small, low-speed free-flight model known as VA-1, with a 14-ft. wingspan, was completed by AFRL in 2003 and test flown.

A model of Boeing’s Joined Wing SensorCraft was tested last year in NASA Langley’s Transonic Dynamics Tunnel under the Air Force’s Aerodynamic Efficiency Improvement program."

[Note: Thank you to Qwerrty for the news link.]
 
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Soar Dragon has been displayed to public, which means it is not China's most advanced UAV.

I have just posted the recent pics of the Chinese counterpart to the Global Hawk. :coffee:
 
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