China denounces ‘Hong Konger’ trend

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well, I have noticed many times that people of HongKong who have kept preserved many local culture of China instead of Mainlanders like Traditional Chinese Music, Traditional Chinese clothing etc. Is that true...

Hong Kong has developed the traditional Chinese culture into its own unique style.

I guess you know nothing about the HK popular culture, but pretending to be.

 

[Roybot]

Hong Kong Frustrated About Influx of Chinese Births | News | Voice of America

Some residents in Hong Kong are expressing frustration at the pressure put on its public services by thousands of pregnant women from mainland China. Some people believe these expectant mothers are secretly entering the territory to give birth and secure for their child the so-called "right of abode" in Hong Kong and lifelong access to a standard of public education and health care unavailable in China.

Hong Kong has proudly preserved a unique social and cultural identity, both under British colonial rule and since the return to Chinese sovereignty in 1997. That identity continues to flourish, in part because Beijing has tolerated Hong Kong’s relative autonomy since the hand over under the principle of “One Country, Two Systems.”

But legislator Leung Yiu-chung does not believe that Hong Kong residents identify readily with the notion of one nation. “When you are talking about identity, I think people in Hong Kong seldom recognize themselves as Chinese; from China. We don’t want the Chinese government, or Chinese people who come from China, to rule Hong Kong,” Leung said.

Direct political influence aside, there is increasing concern that Hong Kong’s identity risks being diluted by an ever-growing number of pregnant mainland Chinese women entering the territory to give birth.

According to Health Secretary York Chow, in 2005 such child births numbered “in the hundreds.” By last year, more than 40,000 children, or about one-half the total number of babies born in Hong Kong, were born to mothers from across the border.

Hong Kong University constitutional law analyst Benny Tai says that, if that rate continues, in 10 to 15 years mainland Chinese will form a substantial part of the Hong Kong population. “So people will worry that this will change the culture of Hong Kong society; our core values will be “polluted.” That is why it is contentious,” Tai stated.

Hong Kong immigration officials refused entry to 3,560 pregnant mainland women last year. But more are arriving in Hong Kong every day; some opportunistically walking through border controls, others smuggled across by organized crime syndicates in trucks and even speedboats.

The health service says it cannot cope. Emergency room staff are overwhelmed by the number of mainland women in labor - around 1,650 in 2011 compared to just 500 in 2010.

As a deterrent, Mainlanders are now charged around $6,000 to give birth in the territory. However, a 2001 judgment by the Court of Final Appeal found that Hong Kong’s mini-constitution, the Basic Law, confers the right of abode on any child of Mainland parents born in the territory. The right of abode confers eligibility to access Hong Kong’s public services, including health, education and housing. Critics say $6,000 is money well spent to pay for services that are unavailable in China.

Public protests are increasing. They include pregnant Hong Kong women who say their own deliveries are threatened by the strains put on medical resources.

The identity debate intensified in late December, when Hong Kong University’s annual public opinion poll on perceptions of ethnicity indicated that over 70 percent of respondents considered themselves to be “Hongkongers” before being “Chinese.” The figure represented a 10-year high.

Within days, the polling unit’s director, Robert Chung, was publicly rebuked by Hao Tiechuan, a senior Beijing envoy. Hao was quoted in local media, saying that Hong Kong is not an independent political entity.

With the Chinese year of the Dragon approaching -- a popular and auspicious year to give birth -- the debate about mainland babies has been picked up by candidates in Hong Kong’s forthcoming leadership election.

On Sunday, Albert Ho was chosen by the city’s pan-democratic coalition to compete against two pro-Beijing candidates for the office of chief executive. In a radio broadcast Monday, he called for the Basic Law to be amended to, in his words, “plug the floodgates”.

Benny Tai agrees that such an outcome could occur, but says he has reservations. “To amend the Basic Law … or to have a reinterpretation of the Basic Law … creates more problems," he said. "That will require the assistance of the central government.” Any intervention by Beijing would inevitably cause concern in a city used to solving its own problems, without Mainland interference.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Hong Kong Frustrated About Influx of Chinese Births | News | Voice of America

Yes ah, this is the so-called banana, but do you think what they can do? They can just play some games in the shadows, they are afraid of losing their sense of superiority as a banana.

 

[huzihaidao12]

You can see with your own eyes.

HKU POP SITE ­»´ä¤j¾Ç¥Á·Nºô¯¸ - Main ¥D­¶

 

[huzihaidao12]

調查日期Date of survey

樣本人數Total Sample

次樣本人數Sub-sample

香港人Hong Kong Citizen

中國的香港人Chinese Hong Kong Citizen

香港的中國人Hong Kong Chinese Citizen

中國人Chinese Citizen

其他 (請列&#26126Other

難講/唔知道DK/HS

合計Total

12-20/12/2011 1016 541 37.7% 25.3% 17.8% 16.6% 0.6% 2.1% 100.0%
21-22/6/2011 520 520 43.8% 21.3% 10.3% 23.5% 0.4% 0.6% 100.0%
13-16/12/2010 1013 1013 35.5% 27.6% 13.8% 21.1% 0.4% 1.5% 100.0%
9-13/6/2010 1004 1004 25.3% 31.3% 14.8% 27.8% 0.4% 0.5% 100.0%
8-11/12/2009 1007 1007 37.6% 23.9% 13.1% 24.2% 0.2% 1.0% 100.0%
8-13/6/2009 1002 1002 24.7% 32.0% 13.3% 29.3% 0.2% 0.4% 100.0%
9-12/12/2008 1016 1016 21.8% 29.6% 13.0% 34.4% 0.5% 0.7% 100.0%
11-13/6/2008 1012 1012 18.1% 29.2% 13.3% 38.6% 0.1% 0.7% 100.0%
11-14/12/2007* 1011 1011 23.5% 31.5% 16.0% 27.2% 0.7% 1.1% 100.0%
8-12/6/2007 1016 1016 23.4% 31.8% 16.7% 26.4% 0.3% 1.4% 100.0%
6-12/12/2006* 1011 1011 22.4% 24.3% 20.1% 31.8% 0.6% 0.7% 100.0%
13-15/6/2006* 1018 1018 24.8% 25.1% 14.9% 34.6% 0.3% 0.3% 100.0%
9-14/12/2005 1017 1017 24.8% 26.5% 16.9% 30.7% 0.0% 1.1% 100.0%
6-8/6/2005 1029 1029 24.0% 21.2% 14.7% 36.4% 0.5% 3.3% 100.0%
6-9/12/2004 1007 1007 25.9% 23.1% 16.2% 31.6% 0.4% 2.8% 100.0%
7-11/6/2004 1027 1027 28.0% 21.2% 14.3% 33.0% 0.4% 3.1% 100.0%
10-14/12/2003 1059 1059 24.9% 23.4% 15.6% 32.5% 0.3% 3.3% 100.0%
13-18/6/2003 1043 1043 36.7% 19.2% 11.9% 29.0% 0.7% 2.5% 100.0%
1-4/3/2003 1035 1035 28.5% 22.3% 15.0% 32.3% 0.3% 1.6% 100.0%
13-18/12/2002 1026 1026 31.1% 21.3% 14.3% 29.7% 0.6% 3.0% 100.0%
2-5/9/2002 1017 1017 28.9% 22.0% 15.0% 32.5% 0.4% 1.2% 100.0%
4-5/6/2002 1067 1067 32.2% 18.1% 13.0% 32.5% 0.4% 3.9% 100.0%
12-13/3/2002 1024 1024 27.5% 23.3% 17.9% 28.3% 0.0% 3.0% 100.0%
7-9/12/2001 1052 1052 31.9% 20.5% 10.4% 31.5% 0.3% 5.4% 100.0%
13-21/9/2001 1025 1025 26.1% 27.9% 17.6% 25.8% 0.4% 2.1% 100.0%
1-5/6/2001 1053 1053 36.1% 18.3% 13.3% 28.4% 0.0% 3.8% 100.0%
22/3-2/4/2001 1014 1014 31.4% 21.7% 16.0% 28.2% 0.4% 2.3% 100.0%
4-12/12/2000 1040 1040 35.6% 19.1% 13.8% 25.2% 0.9% 5.5% 100.0%
21-25/9/2000 1087 1087 37.0% 26.8% 14.5% 17.4% 0.4% 3.9% 100.0%
7-8/6/2000 1074 1074 35.5% 22.9% 14.0% 22.8% 0.7% 4.1% 100.0%
6-7/4/2000 570 570 38.7% 21.4% 14.2% 20.4% 0.2% 5.1% 100.0%
1-2/2/2000 566 566 38.3% 23.2% 19.5% 13.8% 0.5% 4.6% 100.0%
13-15/12/1999 529 529 39.0% 20.9% 17.2% 19.9% 0.2% 2.8% 100.0%
26-27/10/1999 535 535 31.2% 23.7% 16.2% 25.5% 0.7% 2.6% 100.0%
6/8/1999 596 596 30.3% 23.3% 17.5% 25.3% 0.3% 3.2% 100.0%
8/6/1999 538 538 39.9% 25.0% 11.2% 17.0% 0.6% 6.3% 100.0%
15/4/1999 527 527 43.4% 20.0% 13.1% 18.0% 0.4% 5.1% 100.0%
8-9/2/1999 513 513 41.0% 20.9% 15.3% 17.6% 1.2% 3.9% 100.0%
21/12/1998 544 544 40.7% 22.3% 15.1% 17.2% 0.6% 4.2% 100.0%
29/9/1998 517 517 39.4% 22.9% 15.5% 20.6% 0.4% 1.2% 100.0%
14/8/1998 526 526 29.7% 25.2% 19.6% 22.0% 0.2% 3.2% 100.0%
22-24/6/1998 1042 1042 30.2% 18.0% 16.1% 31.6% 0.4% 3.8% 100.0%
3-4/6/1998 544 544 34.2% 18.6% 18.7% 24.8% 0.2% 3.4% 100.0%
8-9/12/1997 500 500 35.8% 22.9% 18.9% 18.2% 0.2% 3.9% 100.0%
28-29/10/1997 536 536 36.6% 22.6% 20.1% 17.5% 0.2% 3.0% 100.0%
23-24/9/1997 512 512 36.2% 24.2% 20.3% 17.5% 0.2% 1.6% 100.0%
26-27/8/1997 532 532 34.9% 24.8% 20.1% 18.6% 0.4% 1.3% 100.0%

 

[huzihaidao12]

Hong Kong Citizen also reduce, down to 37.7%, Chinese Hong Kong Citizen rose to 25.3%, Hong Kong Chinese Citizen rose to 17.8%.

Do not think some words game can deceive everyone, this is an information society, can easily expose your tricks. Brainwashing the costs are very high, at least for the Chinese people.

 

[Roybot]

Hong Kong Citizen also reduce, down to 37.7%, Chinese Hong Kong Citizen rose to 25.3%, Hong Kong Chinese Citizen rose to 17.8%.

Do not think some words game can deceive everyone, this is an information society, can easily expose your tricks. Brainwashing the costs are very high, at least for the Chinese people.

I posted the poll results in the very first post. Thank you captain obvious.

 

[Developereo]

They all see themselves as Australians at the end of the day. Lot of different from people seeing themselves as citizen of HongKong and not a citizen of PRC.

Playing with words. Only one option (#1) denies Chinese citizenship, and that number is all over the map. His 'research' over 15 years yields no trends, no patterns, nothing!

調查日期Date of survey

This guy has been doing this every six months for 15 years. He is seriously obsessed with finding a pattern where none exists. If you look at the numbers, they are all over the map, and the variations are ridiculous even over six months. As if the city's mood changes this much within six months.

This guys sounds like one of these gamblers who go to the casino and, even though the dice are all over the place, they are convinced they can find a 'pattern'.

 

[Roybot]

Playing with words. Only one option (#1) denies Chinese citizenship, and that number is all over the map. His 'research' over 15 years yields no trends, no patterns, nothing!

You can sorta see upwards trend in this one.

 

[Developereo]

You can sorta see upwards trend in this one.

I don't speak Chinese, but I really don't know the difference between 'HK Chinese citizen' and 'Chinese HK citizen'. Again, it sounds like someone is trying really hard to tweak the questions to get some desired answer. It mixes ethnicity with a political entity. It's like asking someone if they are an 'Indian Tamil' or a 'Tamil Indian'; it's a meaningless distinction.

The only option that explicitly rejects Chinese citizenship is #1 (HK citizen) and that number varies wildly between mid 20s to mid 40s. Now one could argue that, after a decade, that number should have gone down but, without knowing how the pollster selects his sample, it is hard to comment. If he picks a subset from within the same group of people over and over, then it's unlikely their opinions would change much. Especially if some of them are from privileged classes who are nostalgic about the old days.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I posted the poll results in the very first post. Thank you captain obvious.

Oh? You deliberately ignore? You are not cheated, you are the planners?

---------- Post added at 07:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:24 PM ----------

You can sorta see upwards trend in this one.

Answered my question, and even "Hong Kong Citizen also reduce, down to 37.7%", what do you think it shows?

 

[Pakchina]

The Hong Kong population is Chinese, and people in Hong Kong are very proud of China which they consider as their motherland. Same for the Chinese in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand etc. The US divide and rule policy will not work against Chinese.

 

[SinoChallenger]

This guy has been doing this every six months for 15 years. He is seriously obsessed with finding a pattern where none exists. If you look at the numbers, they are all over the map, and the variations are ridiculous even over six months. As if the city's mood changes this much within six months.

This guys sounds like one of these gamblers who go to the casino and, even though the dice are all over the place, they are convinced they can find a 'pattern'.

That's a great point. In June 2008, just before Beijing Olympics, 38.6% thought they were "Chinese only" and 18.1% thought "Hong Kong only." In June 2011, just 3 years later, 23.5% thought they were "Chinese only" and 43.8% thought they were "Hong Kong only."

Conclusion, holding Beijing Olympics is separating Hong Kong from China or nobody takes these polls seriously!

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

In Chinese, there is little real distinction between 中国的香港人 and 香港的中国人. These are indeed ambiguous questions. To translate them as "Chinese citizens in HK" or "HK citizens in China" is wrong because there is no word "citizen" （公民）in this entire survey.

This is typical intellectual dishonesty. If one was to ask "你是中国的北京人，还是北京的中国人“ to people in Beijing, they'd say ”你丫的没病把“. Similar answers probably made up 90% of the responses to this poll and were discarded. Then those who bother get confused and pick the one that sounds better. Indeed, 中国的香港人 (Hong Kong ”citizens" of China) sounds MORE connected with China in Chinese, as it is saying that Hong Kong is of China.

If they wanted to be intellectually honest, they would use the word "citizen" in the poll, instead of add it in later.

 

[Huan]

In Chinese, there is little real distinction between 中国的香港人 and 香港的中国人. These are indeed ambiguous questions. To translate them as "Chinese citizens in HK" or "HK citizens in China" is wrong because there is no word "citizen" （公民）in this entire survey.

This is typical intellectual dishonesty. If one was to ask "你是中国的北京人，还是北京的中国人“ to people in Beijing, they'd say ”你丫的没病把“. Similar answers probably made up 90% of the responses to this poll and were discarded. Then those who bother get confused and pick the one that sounds better. Indeed, 中国的香港人 (Hong Kong ”citizens" of China) sounds MORE connected with China in Chinese, as it is saying that Hong Kong is of China.

If they wanted to be intellectually honest, they would use the word "citizen" in the poll, instead of add it in later.

Playing dirty aren't they.