China Delivers First Batch of Military Aid to Afghanistan

[ssethii]

There you go, just by conversing less than 30 minutes we have reached some simile of an "agreement"

Genuine, frank and maybe difficult dialogue is the way forward as I have always believed.

If the Germans and the French can get along, we as hell can do the same, and this also goes along for the Pak-India relationship, stop being eternal enemies

Make love, not war

/Peace

Time for Murree-III?, and that's the way forward you are living with each other for centuries and I think you too will get along pretty fine better than the Germans and french i am guessing.

 

[DJ_Viper]

This is significant move from the Chinese on taking sides in the Afghan conflict, all parties with the exception of GHQ has chosen the right side, aka the Afghan government, these weapons will be used to eliminate GHQ proxies aka Afghan Talis, is GHQ now in direct conflict with Chinese now?

Food for thought anyone?

@pakistani342 : one more item to add the list of Pakistan being cornered for its policies vis-a-vis Afghanistan?

Beijing wants to have regular and normal state-to-state relations with the Afghan government and the Afghan people, which includes military cooperation.

“Afghanistan is our close neighbor and a very important neighbor to China… So, this is the beginning of our regular military-to-military exchanges and cooperation,” Jing said.

China is going to try and put $$$$ into Af-region to counter India (as India will be replacing most of the ISAF / NATO forces in the near future). This is just standard operating procedures for all big powers. Everyone wants to have a presence in key locations for their influence. This is a part of a bigger game from China to ensure safety and approval of their CPEC / One Built - One Road initiative also.

- China needs Pakistani approval ?

Absolutely, that is how their relationships have been. If the Chinese can stand up to the entire world for Pakistan, Afghanistan is nowhere on the list. I wouldn't call it that the Chinese need "an approval", but more like total alignment, like what you see between the US and India. Thanks.

 

[pakistani342]

This is significant move from the Chinese on taking sides in the Afghan conflict, all parties with the exception of GHQ has chosen the right side, aka the Afghan government, these weapons will be used to eliminate GHQ proxies aka Afghan Talis, is GHQ now in direct conflict with Chinese now?

Food for thought anyone?

@pakistani342 : one more item to add the list of Pakistan being cornered for its policies vis-a-vis Afghanistan?

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http://www.voanews.com/content/china-military-aid-afghanistan/3402178.html

Beijing wants to have regular and normal state-to-state relations with the Afghan government and the Afghan people, which includes military cooperation.

“Afghanistan is our close neighbor and a very important neighbor to China… So, this is the beginning of our regular military-to-military exchanges and cooperation,” Jing said.

I don't know too much about military aid so for now I can't add much.

But I'm doubtful of your interpretation. Pakistan/China have no mis-aligned aims in Afghanistan.

Even the concessions Pakistan is demanding of Kabul are simply India related -- for example in an alternate history, the Afghan elites had courted China and sent their military officers to China and say Turkey as an example -- the rise of the Taliban may never have happened.

What Afghanistan achieved from courting India is to me is mind boggling -- the Dams, 2 billion, scholarships could easily have been substituted by countries in the Muslim world, China, etc. What Afghanistan accomplished by courting India is beyond me.

A very diluted analogy would be for example if Pakistan hold major war-games with Iran?

 

[A-Team]

This is not a significant move.

Read your article again. Here

The cargo apparently contained among other things logistical equipment, parts of military vehicles, ammunition and weapons for the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF).......................
Atmar declined to discuss further details or value of the Chinese equipment, saying such military matters required secrecy. He said the assistance shows a joint resolve against terrorism facing Afghanistan and China.................

So basically it's just a symbolic gesture on part of China. To say look we are part of the quadrilateral Contact Group and here's a token of goodwill to keep you happy.

It's completely insignificant in military terms.

You are missing the point here, it's not about quantity it is about the change of policy in Chinese as it has started taking sides, it has chosen the AF government's side againsts GCHQ's proxies.

 

[TaimiKhan]

I hope the weapons being supplied to Afghanistan are 3rd or 4th quality Chinese products. Giving weapons to Afghans are like feeding milk to snake.

If they couldn't do shiet with top notch American weapons then what will even Chinese 1st class weapons can do for them.

Its not weapons all the time, man manning that weapon matter. Talibans use the same Ak-47s to deadly effect.

 

[Sinnerman108]

This is significant move from the Chinese on taking sides in the Afghan conflict, all parties with the exception of GHQ has chosen the right side, aka the Afghan government, these weapons will be used to eliminate GHQ proxies aka Afghan Talis, is GHQ now in direct conflict with Chinese now?

Food for thought anyone?

@pakistani342 : one more item to add the list of Pakistan being cornered for its policies vis-a-vis Afghanistan?

___________________________________

http://www.voanews.com/content/china-military-aid-afghanistan/3402178.html

Beijing wants to have regular and normal state-to-state relations with the Afghan government and the Afghan people, which includes military cooperation.

“Afghanistan is our close neighbor and a very important neighbor to China… So, this is the beginning of our regular military-to-military exchanges and cooperation,” Jing said.

Very good,

While that goes on, let the GHQ concentrate on sealing the border and kicking out animals.

 

[A-Team]

China don't take unilateral action in region where Pakistan's stakes are involved, they must have consulted with Pakistan and its good move to have some influence and to start counter measures against Indian influence. International relation are very complex game.

You are right everything is possible in the arena international politics but the fundamental still revolves around "Interests", all I am saying is that China sees that stable, united, sovereign Afghanistan is the way forward, something the GHQ by pursuing her proxies does not yet see.

In any case the more international involvement and consensus on Afghanistan the better it is for Afghanistan.

Very good,

While that goes on, let the GHQ concentrate on sealing the border and kicking out animals.

Animals? i.e. Afghan Taliban leadership

If you are referring to common refugees, then shame on you, you are one pathetic soul.

If they couldn't do shiet with top notch American weapons then what will even Chinese 1st class weapons can do for them.

Its not weapons all the time, man manning that weapon matter. Talibans use the same Ak-47s to deadly effect.

True, and the ANSF is not losing, the country is holding just fine.

 

[AKD]

With the intervention of big powers in Afghanistan may the Taliban's will be uprooted and will ensure a long lasting peace in Afghanistan

 

[A-Team]

I don't know too much about military aid so for now I can't add much.

But I'm doubtful of your interpretation. Pakistan/China have no mis-aligned aims in Afghanistan.

I don't think there is a complete harmony as such , here is one small example if the Talis take over AF they will provide a breeding ground for Chinese Uighurs like they did back in the 90s, which of course China sees as a threat to its national security. AF Gov has actually handed over numerous Uighurs recently they captured when they were crossing over from Pakistan or operating with AF Talis in the country.

I don't really think that China would want to see AF country ruled by religious nutcases who will shelter these Chinese insurgents.

 

[ali_raza]

You are right everything is possible in the arena international politics but the fundamental still revolves around "Interests", all I am saying is that China sees that stable, united, sovereign Afghanistan is the way forward, something the GHQ by pursuing her proxies does not yet see.

In any case the more international involvement and consensus on Afghanistan the better it is for Afghanistan.



Animals? i.e. Afghan Taliban leadership

If you are referring to common refugees, then shame on you, you are one pathetic soul.



True, and the ANSF is not losing, the country is holding just fine.

so whats ur opinion on indo afghan ties.and do u consider afghanistan to be in any debt of pakistan??

 

[A-Team]

China is going to try and put $$$$ into Af-region to counter India (as India will be replacing most of the ISAF / NATO forces in the near future). This is just standard operating procedures for all big powers. Everyone wants to have a presence in key locations for their influence. This is a part of a bigger game from China to ensure safety and approval of their CPEC / One Built - One Road initiative also.



Absolutely, that is how their relationships have been. If the Chinese can stand up to the entire world for Pakistan, Afghanistan is nowhere on the list. I wouldn't call is that the Chinese need "an approval", but more like total alignment, like what you see between the US and India. Thanks.

You have a point but I don't agree with the total alignment of Pak-China on AF, GHQ supports AF talis which are brother in arms with Chinese Uighurs, guess what will happen if AF Talis take over Afghanistan, it will act as a breeding ground for Uighurs, like it happened in 90s.

so whats ur opinion on indo afghan ties.and do u consider afghanistan to be in any debt of pakistan??

India-AF ties is like any other ties we have with other countries, like AF-Iran ties or AF-China tiest nothing different.
GHQ is feeding you paranoia vis-a-vis AF-India ties, we are not naive to act as a battleground for Pak-India rivalry, dont believe everything you hear in Pak media about a secret collusion between AF-India to destroy Pakistan, we have enough internal troubles to deal with

With the intervention of big powers in Afghanistan may the Taliban's will be uprooted and will ensure a long lasting peace in Afghanistan

I would use the word International Consensus at this moment on Afghanistan and its stability and sovereignty.

 

[TaimiKhan]

True, and the ANSF is not losing, the country is holding just fine.

Till Americans are there ANSF will not loose the country especially the major cities or towns but once a while exceptions will be there like Kunduz debacle. Even though Kunduz is hundreds of miles away from Pak-Afghan border and closer to CAS, still don't understand how these proxies are so strong hundred of miles away from their so called supporter.

And the statements from Afghans and especially the recent clash at Torkham sends a clear signal to us about the intentions of Afghans with respect to our territorial integrity & the sleeping in bed with our enemy is another clue. The harboring of Baluch terrorists & Fazlullah are all part of the message from Afghans.

Anyway, you guys keep doing what you want to do and we will repay in the same coin to protect our interests. Civilians from both sides will be the ones getting chopped up.

 

[pakistani342]

I don't think there is a complete harmony as such , here is one small example if the Talis take over AF they will provide a breeding ground for Chinese Uighurs like they did back in the 90s, which of course China sees as a threat to its national security. AF Gov has actually handed over numerous Uighurs recently they captured when they were crossing over from Pakistan or operating with AF Talis in the country.

I don't really think that China would want to see AF country ruled by religious nutcases who will shelter these Chinese insurgents.

From what it seems Pakistan similarly does not want a Taliban takeover.
Pakistan just will escalate the pressure on Kabul's elites -- watch the full Gen Durrani video
pot boiling without spillover

 

[A-Team]

Till Americans are there ANSF will not loose the country especially the major cities or towns but once a while exceptions will be there like Kunduz debacle. Even though Kunduz is hundreds of miles away from Pak-Afghan border and closer to CAS, still don't understand how these proxies are so strong hundred of miles away from their so called supporter.

And the statements from Afghans and especially the recent clash at Torkham sends a clear signal to us about the intentions of Afghans with respect to our territorial integrity & the sleeping in bed with our enemy is another clue. The harboring of Baluch terrorists & Fazlullah are all part of the message from Afghans.

Anyway, you guys keep doing what you want to do and we will repay in the same coin to protect our interests. Civilians from both sides will be the ones getting chopped up.

Your argument is based on the assumption .

- US will leave : I am sorry to break it to you but no they are not leaving, we have a strategic security agreement with them and we will provide bases to their military for decades to come, like South Korea model.

- Whatever conclusions you infer from the Torkham incident is your right, but you are right that AF is not a banana republic, you act against our interests, we will return the favor like another sovereign state.

- lastly I agree with you that civilians on both sides suffer, and that comes back to my central thesis, which is peace will only come with AF-PK government have genuine conversation with each other and address each other's grievances.

Conflict between AF-Pak has no winners, we are both losers in the end.

/Peace

From what it seems Pakistan similarly does not want a Taliban takeover.
Pakistan just will escalate the pressure on Kabul's elites -- watch the full Gen Durrani video
pot boiling without spillover

And the favor will be returned, yes AF will suffer much higher than Pakistan but Pakistan will feel the heath as well.

Sadly another generation that will have to live with the consequences of policy making of the generals like Durrani Sahib on both sides.

 

[DJ_Viper]

You have a point but I don't agree with the total alignment of Pak-China on AF, GHQ supports AF talis which are brother in arms with Chinese Uighurs, guess what will happen if AF Talis take over Afghanistan, it will act as a breeding ground for Uighurs, like it happened in 90s. .

Unlike a fanboy, I can assure you I know exactly what I write. Pak-China collaboration is beyond all other relations that China has to be frank with you (from a strategic standpoint). Not too long ago the Chinese told the US and the UN that "Pakistan is their Israel". If this doesn't explain the level of connectivity between the two, than I can't help you as you've become delusional (sorry).

Also, Pakistan's strategy has shifted for good as of a few months ago and its been explained to Mr. McCain yesterday. There is no such concept of the "strategic depth" anymore, which is why they were supporting some people. Just like Afghans were supporting terrorism inside Pakistan through India's $$$$ and training.

Sen. John McCain just visited Pakistan and has conveyed the will to keep Pakistani relations outside of India and Afghanistan relations. Believe it or not, Pakistan will be leading the fight against ISIS in the near future. The PA has tremendous amounts of experience in this area at this point and many countries will be learning from them. The US and Pakistan share the SAME set of enemies that others do. This was said by Mr. McCain today and last week (before his trip). The US would never want to lose Pakistan as an ally. They get upset on the concept of double game sung by the Indian lobby every day in Washington. But one small visit on the ground erases that influence as they get to see ground realities. Thanks.