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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...inese-media/story-iJSZKnD3vjwIAG0KyuIMaL.html
China could pump money, share tech to improve Indian Railways: Chinese media
  • Sutirtho Patranobis, Hindustan Times, Beijing
  • Updated: Nov 22, 2016 12:49 IST
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Indian Railways has been a lifeline for 23 million Indians . (AFP File Photo)
  • Kanpur train crash: Cracks in rail tracks expose disregard for passenger safety

    The article advocated direct infusion of Chinese money into the railway sector in India and that the China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) could lead the way.

    “Following the Indore-Patna Express derailment, India and China may want to speed up cooperation in infrastructure and China could provide direct support for upgrading India’s railways,” it said.

    “India currently holds the second-largest portion of shares and voting rights in the China-led AIIB, allowing the South Asian country to benefit from the bank’s efforts to improve infrastructure in Asia. Additionally, Chinese banks might provide concessionary loans to India if it allowed more Chinese enterprises to invest in its state-run railway network,” the article said.

    In fact, New Delhi and Beijing have had several rounds of talks about cooperation in the railway sector but much of the discussions have remained in the drawing board stage.

    Read | UP train tragedy: More bodies found under debris, toll mounts to 147

    It was only in August that China’s biggest high-speed train and railway equipment maker announced that its first joint venture in India had been operationalised in Haryana. It was for the first time that China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) – a mammoth state-owned enterprise (SOE) in China with more than 1,75,000 employees – had set up a joint venture in south Asia.

    Both countries realise that there is scope for cooperation in sharing and adopting technology.

    “There is also potential for China and India to cooperate in railway technology. China’s technology is advanced even compared with some developed countries and the costs are lower, which are appropriate for being adopted in India. A 2014 research report from the World Bank showed that ticket prices for China’s railway were about a quarter of those in other countries,” the Global Times reported.

    The Chinese company, of course, had been present in the Indian market since 2007 and supplied subway trains, engines and other equipment, as reported by Hindustan Times in August.

    “Given more than 60,000 kilometers of railways in India, it is far from enough to build a single locomotive engine plant in India,” CRRS vice-president, Yu Weiping, had then said.

    “CRRC will build more plants able to produce trains, locomotive traction systems and other key parts in India,” he added.
 
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Do not endorse it, def would not want this even as a option.
 
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...inese-media/story-iJSZKnD3vjwIAG0KyuIMaL.html
China could pump money, share tech to improve Indian Railways: Chinese media
  • Sutirtho Patranobis, Hindustan Times, Beijing
  • Updated: Nov 22, 2016 12:49 IST
indian-railways_d1fabbde-b082-11e6-a9a7-656025b680d0.jpg

Indian Railways has been a lifeline for 23 million Indians . (AFP File Photo)
  • Kanpur train crash: Cracks in rail tracks expose disregard for passenger safety

    The article advocated direct infusion of Chinese money into the railway sector in India and that the China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) could lead the way.

    “Following the Indore-Patna Express derailment, India and China may want to speed up cooperation in infrastructure and China could provide direct support for upgrading India’s railways,” it said.

    “India currently holds the second-largest portion of shares and voting rights in the China-led AIIB, allowing the South Asian country to benefit from the bank’s efforts to improve infrastructure in Asia. Additionally, Chinese banks might provide concessionary loans to India if it allowed more Chinese enterprises to invest in its state-run railway network,” the article said.

    In fact, New Delhi and Beijing have had several rounds of talks about cooperation in the railway sector but much of the discussions have remained in the drawing board stage.

    Read | UP train tragedy: More bodies found under debris, toll mounts to 147

    It was only in August that China’s biggest high-speed train and railway equipment maker announced that its first joint venture in India had been operationalised in Haryana. It was for the first time that China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) – a mammoth state-owned enterprise (SOE) in China with more than 1,75,000 employees – had set up a joint venture in south Asia.

    Both countries realise that there is scope for cooperation in sharing and adopting technology.

    “There is also potential for China and India to cooperate in railway technology. China’s technology is advanced even compared with some developed countries and the costs are lower, which are appropriate for being adopted in India. A 2014 research report from the World Bank showed that ticket prices for China’s railway were about a quarter of those in other countries,” the Global Times reported.

    The Chinese company, of course, had been present in the Indian market since 2007 and supplied subway trains, engines and other equipment, as reported by Hindustan Times in August.

    “Given more than 60,000 kilometers of railways in India, it is far from enough to build a single locomotive engine plant in India,” CRRS vice-president, Yu Weiping, had then said.

    “CRRC will build more plants able to produce trains, locomotive traction systems and other key parts in India,” he added.

Any country invets in india will get back handsome return.
 
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funny,,where is “make in India”
China is always willing to share her railway technology with all friendly countries, including setting up manufacturing bases abroad.
We have seen successful cases in many countries, and now CRRC is manufacturing metro cars for Boston and Chicago Metro and they will soon start the work in Melbourne.

Macedonia

Argentina

Ethiopia

Malaysia

Thailand

@somsak @powastick @Gibbs @Godman
 
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funny,,where is “make in India”

It is crucial for Indian railway to upgrade their outdated manufacturing bases.

Good news is that they are now importing IGBT from China.
This core component is a symbol of modern railway systems.

Producing IGBT is a very delicate process, check 42:30

China exports eight-inch chips to India
Source: Xinhua 2016-11-15 15:41:52

CHANGSHA, Nov. 15 (Xinhua) -- China's leading locomotive maker, CRRC Zhuzhou Institute Co. Ltd., has made the country's first bulk export of eight-inch chips to India.

The company, based in Zhuzhou City in central China's Hunan Province, said on Tuesday that it exported eight-inch insulated gate bipolar transistor (IGBT) chips that will be used for upgrading the transformers of 100 locomotives in India to make the electric trains more energy-efficient.

The China-made chips are currently used on the 7,200-kilowatt electric locomotives that power China's high-speed trains.

CRRC Zhuzhou Institute Co. Ltd. built the world's second eight-inch chip production line in 2014, which has reached annual output of 120,000 chips and 1 million IGBT modules.

The IGBT chip is a key technology of modern electric appliances. It can be used in everything from high-speed rail to the aerospace and aviation industries.

The Chinese locomotive maker expects the chips to have huge export potential.

https://defence.pk/threads/china-exports-hsr-trains-metro-tram-etc-news.435357/page-7#post-8912305
 
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I am afraid Chinese companies are the only builder that India need to fulfill their infrastructure proposals.

Mr Modi should make decisions quickly as his term is not very long, people can't keep waiting for his plan.
 
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I am afraid Chinese companies are the only builder that India need to fulfill their infrastructure proposals.

Mr Modi should make decisions quickly as his term is not very long, people can't keep waiting for his plan.
I don't think so.
Their loophole is simply too big.
And by Modi alone?
No way.
It will take at least 2-3 decades to overhaul the entire existing railway system in India.
 
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I don't think so.
Their loophole is simply too big.
And by Modi alone?
No way.
It will take at least 2-3 decades to overhaul the entire existing railway system in India.


That's right, it 's a long way for them.

But a start is still good, as that means the end is sooner than never.
 
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LOL , this is why Pakistaan rejected China Made Engines (because of bad quality ) and We gave them Engines .
I only know that the Mumbai subway is made in China...Pakistan chose India engine just because of cheap, you think too much.

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Need me to provide a link to the India train flaw?
Oh, too much, you can find. Believe me, the Chinese train is 100 times more secure than the India.
I even think that the use of Chinese trains in contrast to the India train, which is an insult to the Chinese train.
 
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it seems india needs to reform Indian Railways before they start puring money
Indian railways suffer from inadequate funds, neglect
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NEW DELHI – It's often described as India's lifeline, transporting 23 million people across the vast South Asian country each day.

India's rail network, the world's third largest, operates more than 12,600 trains carrying passengers and cargo along 115,000 kilometers (71,000 miles) of track. With more than 1.4 million employees, it is the country's largest employer.

But not all is well with state-owned Indian Railways, as was highlighted Sunday when 14 packed cars on a passenger train skidded off the tracks, killing at least 148 people in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, after two more victims died of their injuries Tuesday.

For years, it's been clear that the much-romanticized legacy of British colonial rule, built more than 160 years ago, is badly hobbled by funding shortfalls, aging tracks, outdated signaling and communications systems and a traffic volume that has pushed these systems beyond their limits.

The weekend's deadly train tragedy, the cause of which is under investigation, has focused attention on how India can restore both efficiency and public confidence in its railways.

India's economy has boomed in recent decades, and dozens of private airlines have emerged to serve the growing upper middle class. But for tens of millions of Indians living in the hinterlands or unable to afford air travel, trains are their transportation lifeline.

It can be a dangerous lifeline. India's crime records bureau says that in 2014, the latest year for which figures are available, more than 25,000 people died in railway accidents that ranged from travelers falling from the roofs of moving trains to train collisions. In 2012, a government safety committee said about 15,000 people die every year trying to cross train tracks, which it referred to as "a massacre."

On Sunday, hours after the accident in northern Uttar Pradesh state, Railway Minister Suresh Prabhu announced an investigation and said anyone found guilty would be strictly punished.

But blame should also fall on successive governments and railway ministers that have starved the organization of funds, denying it key resources to upgrade critical equipment and pushing it to the brink of bankruptcy, said former Railway Minister Dinesh Trivedi.

Trivedi said the railways need 200 billion to 250 billion rupees ($3 billion to $3.8 billion) simply to replace old equipment.

Instead, the government approved a mere 32 billion rupees ($485 million) in the 2016 budget.

"Therefore, the much-required replacement of old assets is postponed — knowingly compromising safety," Trivedi said.

Critics of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who came to power in 2014, say his government has concentrated too much on high-publicity rail plans, like wanting to introduce high-speed "bullet" trains, instead of boring but necessary upgrades and repairs.

"When we can barely manage train speeds as they are at present, such talk of building bullet trains on which billions of dollars are to be spent is illogical," said Basudev Acharya, a former lawmaker who headed a parliamentary committee overseeing railway operations.

"What needs immediate fixing is to ensure adequate funds for maintenance of the existing stock and, most importantly, filling up vacancies among safety workers," Acharya said.

Railway workers say decades of funding crunches have taken their toll. Passenger trains in India run at slow speeds, averaging around 50 kilometers (30 miles) an hour, while freight trains are even slower, averaging half that.

"Even at such low speeds we have a high number of deaths in railway accidents. Can you imagine the toll if the speed were any faster?" said N.B. Dutta, a railway locomotive driver and president of the All India Loco Running Staff Association, a train operators' trade union.

On Sunday, four children were killed by an intercity express train while crossing the tracks in the northeast state of Assam.

Dutta spoke of crucial safety-related positions that remained vacant, placing rail conductors under stress.

"We work four to five nights consecutively," though rules say conductors should only work two nights in a row, said Dutta.

His colleague, C. Sunish, said the stress can be immense, with drivers trying to catch sleep in railway station waiting rooms after 12- to 14-hour shifts.

Sunish said successive governments have failed to implement the recommendations of state-appointed committees on rail safety. "Every time there is an accident, the minister will order an investigation, but the outcome remains the same. No correctional measures are taken," he said.

Although the investigation into Sunday's train derailment is still underway, railway experts said it was most likely caused by tracks that had deteriorated over the years.

Most railway tracks are checked every day with ultrasonic detectors that can spot changes in track conditions. This is followed by visual inspections, railway managers say.

But with many jobs vacant, some lapses in checks should be expected, they warned.

Running the railways in India, regulating the budget, ensuring safety and managing rail traffic is done by a government-appointed Railway Board. Several former members of the panel said that although India's rail safety record has improved over the past few years, inadequate resources and political and bureaucratic apathy continue.

"Every time there is an accident or a derailment, we can't have a knee-jerk response," said Sunil Kumar, a retired safety adviser of the Railway Board, calling instead for a steady infusion of funds to replace, repair and restore railway infrastructure.

In 2015, Modi promised a staggering $137 billion to be invested over five years to revamp the railways.

Rail Minister Prabhu said the money would transform Indian Railways. Almost two years later, there's no word on how much of that money has reached the railroad.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/22/indian-railways-suffer-from-inadequate-funds-neglect.html
 
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Any country invets in india will get back handsome return.
dunno

selling $100 phone by earning $10*2million to indians
VS
selling $800 phone by earning $300*500k to european

completely different profit though revenues look awesome.


India is a good place for lower-price brands but premium brands focus more on Europe/US/East Asia market such as DJI drones ($1000-10000) and Huawei Mate/P series ($500-$1000).

This is the reason why these premium brands tend to have their launch events in Europe/US/East Asia.


 
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So far as I know, chinese investment will come in lying down rails for high speed trains. It is wellcomed.
 
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So far as I know, chinese investment will come in lying down rails for high speed trains. It is wellcomed.
As far as i know, it is all in talks for many years, no very tangible updates so far.
Let's first see how Japanese will deliver.
China and Europeans systems are mutually compatible.
China/European systems are incompatible with Japanese.


Now, Chinese consortiums are in busy talks with countries in Europe and Malaysia/Singapore.
Those projects are way more important for China's national interests and geopolitics.
 
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