China confirms takeover of Gwadar port: Report

[Rocky rock]

Why America is not crying on this deal???

 

[Gwadar PK]

CHEC Set to Run Gwadar Port



Port of Singapore Authority (PSA) and its partners, Aqeel Kareem Dedhi (AKD) Group of Karachi and the National Logistic Cell (NCL), are ready to sell their share of Gwadar Port to China Harbour Engineering Co Ltd (CHEC).
According to atimes.com, CHEC will take over the Pakistan’s port after Singapore decided to pull out of a 40-year port management and development contract signed in 2007.

Babar Khan Ghauri, the Ports and Shipping Minister, said: “The denial of land at Gwadar Port forced PSA to leave the port, which will be taken over by a Chinese company.”
Gwadar Port was built with Chinese assistance of more than $220 million.

Atimes.com reports that after taking control, CHEC will simultaneously become the builder and operator of the Gwadar Port.

 

[Pakchina]

When China will become the number one superpower, it will help Pakistan to become the second world superpower. Our all weather friendship stands stronger day by day. Our brotherhood will emerge as the most powerful in the universe.

 

[HeinzG]

When China will become the number one superpower, it will help Pakistan to become the second world superpower. Our all weather friendship stands stronger day by day. Our brotherhood will emerge as the most powerful in the universe.

yeah right!

 

[VCheng]

When China will become the number one superpower, it will help Pakistan to become the second world superpower. Our all weather friendship stands stronger day by day. Our brotherhood will emerge as the most powerful in the universe.

Oh, you forgot to sing "Deeper than the deepest oceans, Higher than the highest mountains!" too

Just keep in mind that there is no such thing as "frandshipp" in international geopolitics, only on Facebook. National interests prevail above all else.

 

[SQ8]

Oh, you forgot to sing "Deeper than the deepest oceans, Higher than the highest mountains!" too

Just keep in mind that there is no such thing as "frandshipp" in international geopolitics, only on Facebook. National interests prevail above all else.

As long as it is not detrimental to China, that status will stay.
Where that condition changes, so will the depth of that alliance.

 

[VCheng]

As long as it is not detrimental to China, that status will stay.
Where that condition changes, so will the depth of that alliance.

Of course. China will pursue its own national interests, as should Pakistan.

 

[SamranAli]

China taking over Gwadar is very important step for both china and pakistan .the chinese take over will bring prosperity to hard working balouch people and by doing it will get rid of militancy and depending on sardar. china save lots of transportation and secure its energy line and stategic naval base to protect its investment or give PN more frigate .and central asian and russia get access to warm water of arabian sea its a win win for all of them except india .

Good post man... Keep it up.

 

[Fanling Monk]

Pleas re-read the crumbling of your arguments above.

Gwadar's value as a "gateway" for any sizable commercial activity is limited without the necessary connections, which, as I have explained above, are nowhere in existence to the levels needed, and with no realistic prospects for them either for the foreseeable future.

I see where you're getting at. You're absolutely right in this case. Gwadar Port's value is small for China if there's no road/rail link connects directly to western China and the investment is not worth it considering China, mostly likely, will use the Hambantota Port in Sri Lanka as the international logistic hub for her cargoes and merchant's fleets. Gwadar has value, for China, only when such infrastructure exist and a pipeline would be a bonus. A naval base is only a rumor which may or may not be true and is up to both governments to decide.

BTW I wasn't even arguing on the behalf of China, merely was pointing out what it would do to the vast western territory of the country. Of course the investment wouldn't worth it if the Pakistan government doesn't contribute to the costs, after all, it's the people of Pakistan that benefited the most when such infrastructure is built.

China has no choices but to takeover the port for the meantime because she's the banker of the original deal. If no further deals can be make with the Pakistani Government on the port I wouldn't surprise she write this off instead of putting more good money into what's to be a losing venture.

 

[Icewolf]

China knows how to build cities... Look at Shanghai in the 90's and now look at it now

 

[isro2222]

@icewolf the money is from china and most engineers who build the city are westerners.... Check national geo channel. Documentry was on it....
on topic....
its sad that pakistan didnt learn from British Raj.... Sold p.0.k and now gwadar port. You know from p.0.k minister came in india and told to media how chinese army kicked them out.... He said its no longer p.0.k. Its C.0.k now.... Same with gwadar port. Pakistan will know that after few decades.... Same happened when brits came. Its sad to see pakistan selling its own country in the name of security and money.... China wont leave. They spending heavily on infrastructure.... In few decades pakistan will see most of pakistani land as chinese land on map.... Corruption is Bad but selling own country to other is worse....

 

[Vassnti]

Pleas re-read the crumbling of your arguments above.

Gwadar's value as a "gateway" for any sizable commercial activity is limited without the necessary connections, which, as I have explained above, are nowhere in existence to the levels needed, and with no realistic prospects for them either for the foreseeable future.

I can imagine the cost of upgrading the khunjerab road to carry constant large volume heavy traffic would be higher than the cost of the port.

So now China owns a port in Pakistan that has questionable economic value, how many ships will be stationed there and seeing many have pointed out there are some security problems, how many Chinese troops will be deployed there?

 

[SHAMK9]

I can imagine the cost of upgrading the khunjerab road to carry constant large volume heavy traffic would be higher than the cost of the port.

Workers are on it as we speak, they built huge tunnels to keep the damage minimal in case of a landslide, check out the progress at the link below.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/204288-pics-karakoram-highway-reconstruction.html

@icewolf the money is from china and most engineers who build the city are westerners.... Check national geo channel. Documentry was on it....
on topic....
its sad that pakistan didnt learn from British Raj.... Sold p.0.k and now gwadar port. You know from p.0.k minister came in india and told to media how chinese army kicked them out.... He said its no longer p.0.k. Its C.0.k now.... Same with gwadar port. Pakistan will know that after few decades.... Same happened when brits came. Its sad to see pakistan selling its own country in the name of security and money.... China wont leave. They spending heavily on infrastructure.... In few decades pakistan will see most of pakistani land as chinese land on map.... Corruption is Bad but selling own country to other is worse....

no one sold Azad Kashmir, if china wants to invest in it, Pakistan isnt going to stop them and neither is it a bad thing, dont you want Kashmir to progress economically?

 

[sur]

The Chinese are making a mistake.

The government in Islamabad is beyond incompetent. They cannot guarantee logistics, security or any long term commitment on Gwadar to the Chinese. The 100% inevitable fiasco in Gwadar will end up harming Pak-China relationship in the long run.

The Chinese should stay away until Islamabad demonstrates its maturity as a government.

Chinese wouldn't have a few years plan, current Govt. is NOT going to be there for ever.
It actually shows that Chinese are optimistic about Pakistan's future & future Governments.

2ndly, for such strategic co-operations, it's NOT just Govt.,, ARMY is definitely involved to certain level, so Chinese can put their trust in Army, even if current Govt. is incompetent.

 

[VCheng]

I see where you're getting at. You're absolutely right in this case. Gwadar Port's value is small for China if there's no road/rail link connects directly to western China and the investment is not worth it considering China, mostly likely, will use the Hambantota Port in Sri Lanka as the international logistic hub for her cargoes and merchant's fleets. Gwadar has value, for China, only when such infrastructure exist and a pipeline would be a bonus. A naval base is only a rumor which may or may not be true and is up to both governments to decide.

BTW I wasn't even arguing on the behalf of China, merely was pointing out what it would do to the vast western territory of the country. Of course the investment wouldn't worth it if the Pakistan government doesn't contribute to the costs, after all, it's the people of Pakistan that benefited the most when such infrastructure is built.

China has no choices but to takeover the port for the meantime because she's the banker of the original deal. If no further deals can be make with the Pakistani Government on the port I wouldn't surprise she write this off instead of putting more good money into what's to be a losing venture.

Exactly my thoughts too, thank you for your succinct post.