China can safely drop nine-dash line in South China Sea and win friends in Asean: China expert

[Mista]

China can safely drop nine-dash line in South China Sea and win friends in Asean: China expert

China could abandon the nine-dash line - which underpins its claim of up to 90 per cent of the disputed waters in the South China Sea - without hurting its long-term interests, a China military expert said on Friday (Sept 18).

In fact, abandoning the line would boost its soft power and help the country win friends in Asean, added Dr Li Nan, a visiting senior research fellow at East Asian Institute (EAI).

"This is the time for China to give up the nine-dash line. It doesn't work in its interest," said Dr Li during a webinar about the maritime dispute, which was organised by EAI and ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

The speakers at The South China Sea Dispute: United States-China Rivalry, Lawfare and the Prospects for a Code of Conduct were mostly academics. They agreed that Asean and China were unlikely to issue guidelines on actions in the South China Sea by next year's deadline, given the Covid-19 pandemic.

Run-ins between China and claimant Asean states such as the Philippines and Vietnam in the disputed waters have increased this year.

Tensions are also escalating between China and Indonesia. The latter lodged a protest with Beijing earlier this month after a Chinese coast guard ship spent two days in Indonesia's exclusive economic zone, off the Natuna Islands in the South China Sea.

China's nine-dash line, which is in conflict with international maritime law but which China uses to claim waters around Natuna Islands, is at the heart of the dispute.

Dr Li said that Chinese coast guards have had to enforce their jurisdiction according to the nine-dash line and "that caused all the problems with the coastal states".

He added that abandoning the nine-dash line will serve China's interests, including boosting the country's soft power.

He pointed out that China had conceded parts of the nine-dash line before, in the early 1950s, when it removed two dashes as a gesture to its communist comrades in northern Vietnam.

But the Chinese leaders might face a backlash from institutions like the People's Liberation Army (PLA) if they make similar concessions again, he said.

"What really drives Chinese foreign policy is not so much public opinion as it is institution dynamics," he added.

"If China really decides to modify the nine-dash line... I don't think the PLA will like that."

Dr Li's comments drew a rebuke from co-panellist Le Hong Hiep, a fellow at ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

Dr Le said: "China did erase two dashes... but again, in 2010, it added another dash in the East China Sea. So, I'm not sure whether China really makes concessions regarding the nine-dash line."

"But I totally agree with Dr Li that it would be a great idea and good for China's soft power if it dropped the nine-dash line altogether," he added.

In 2016, an international tribunal in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that China's claim in the South China Sea - using the nine-dash line - had no legal basis, after the Philippines brought the case to the court.

The US explicitly sided with the ruling for the first time in July this year.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...in-asean-china

 

[Nike]

In fact during Jiang and Hu era, China indeed came as alternative power whose many Asia and Africa countries sought friendship after and apparently the case can be looked when China and US aircraft crashes at one incident many countries voice their support for China. Xi bring many changes and not all had positive results

 

[redtom]

夷狄,禽兽也,畏威而不怀德

 

[Viet]

In fact during Jiang and Hu era, China indeed came as alternative power whose many Asia and Africa countries sought friendship after and apparently the case can be looked when China and US aircraft crashes at one incident many countries voice their support for China. Xi bring many changes and not all had positive results

The chinese will never drop the claim. They trust on the firepower of the PLA. And on their Iq.

 

[Song Hong]

This article is full of bullsht written by moron.

China has clearly make concession on South China Sea, eleven dash line became 9. This Le Hong Hiep pulls in East China Sea. What does that got to do with South China Sea.

Moreover the 11 to 9 changes favors no one else but Vietnam.

This result to Dao Bach Long Vi going to Vietnam. And then, KMT soldiers were garrisoned in Bach Long Vi. Viet Cong cant drive them out. They beg China.

Finally PLA kick out the KMT soldiers delivering Dao Bach Long Vi to Vietnam, without any effort on Vietnam side.

How can Le Hong Hiep say China do not make concession.

This article is from Singapore Straits Times which is well known for her anti Chinese stance.

@sinait

China can safely drop nine-dash line in South China Sea and win friends in Asean: China expert

China could abandon the nine-dash line - which underpins its claim of up to 90 per cent of the disputed waters in the South China Sea - without hurting its long-term interests, a China military expert said on Friday (Sept 18).

In fact, abandoning the line would boost its soft power and help the country win friends in Asean, added Dr Li Nan, a visiting senior research fellow at East Asian Institute (EAI).

"This is the time for China to give up the nine-dash line. It doesn't work in its interest," said Dr Li during a webinar about the maritime dispute, which was organised by EAI and ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

The speakers at The South China Sea Dispute: United States-China Rivalry, Lawfare and the Prospects for a Code of Conduct were mostly academics. They agreed that Asean and China were unlikely to issue guidelines on actions in the South China Sea by next year's deadline, given the Covid-19 pandemic.

Run-ins between China and claimant Asean states such as the Philippines and Vietnam in the disputed waters have increased this year.

Tensions are also escalating between China and Indonesia. The latter lodged a protest with Beijing earlier this month after a Chinese coast guard ship spent two days in Indonesia's exclusive economic zone, off the Natuna Islands in the South China Sea.

China's nine-dash line, which is in conflict with international maritime law but which China uses to claim waters around Natuna Islands, is at the heart of the dispute.

Dr Li said that Chinese coast guards have had to enforce their jurisdiction according to the nine-dash line and "that caused all the problems with the coastal states".

He added that abandoning the nine-dash line will serve China's interests, including boosting the country's soft power.

He pointed out that China had conceded parts of the nine-dash line before, in the early 1950s, when it removed two dashes as a gesture to its communist comrades in northern Vietnam.

But the Chinese leaders might face a backlash from institutions like the People's Liberation Army (PLA) if they make similar concessions again, he said.

"What really drives Chinese foreign policy is not so much public opinion as it is institution dynamics," he added.

"If China really decides to modify the nine-dash line... I don't think the PLA will like that."

Dr Li's comments drew a rebuke from co-panellist Le Hong Hiep, a fellow at ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

Dr Le said: "China did erase two dashes... but again, in 2010, it added another dash in the East China Sea. So, I'm not sure whether China really makes concessions regarding the nine-dash line."

"But I totally agree with Dr Li that it would be a great idea and good for China's soft power if it dropped the nine-dash line altogether," he added.

In 2016, an international tribunal in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that China's claim in the South China Sea - using the nine-dash line - had no legal basis, after the Philippines brought the case to the court.

The US explicitly sided with the ruling for the first time in July this year.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...in-asean-china

 

[cochine]

This article is full of bullsht written by moron.

China has clearly make concession on South China Sea, eleven dash line became 9. This Le Hong Hiep pulls in East China Sea. What does that got to do with South China Sea.

Moreover the 11 to 9 changes favors no one else but Vietnam.

This result to Dao Bach Long Vi going to Vietnam. And then, KMT soldiers were garrisoned in Bach Long Vi. Viet Cong cant drive them out. They beg China.

Finally PLA kick out the KMT soldiers delivering Dao Bach Long Vi to Vietnam, without any effort on Vietnam side.

How can Le Hong Hiep say China do not make concession.

This article is from Singapore Straits Times which is well known for her anti Chinese stance.

@sinait

Chinese kid, don't troll here about Vietnam.

 

[Song Hong]

Bach Long Vi, a 100% Chinese residence Island got transferred to Vietnam.

The Straits Times Article has a clear bias tone, insinuating China will not compromise.

The South China Sea Island China Gave Away

Bach Long Vi Island and its secret transfer from China to Vietnam.

thediplomat.com

Chinese kid, don't troll here about Vietnam.

 

[Figaro]

China can safely drop nine-dash line in South China Sea and win friends in Asean: China expert

China could abandon the nine-dash line - which underpins its claim of up to 90 per cent of the disputed waters in the South China Sea - without hurting its long-term interests, a China military expert said on Friday (Sept 18).

In fact, abandoning the line would boost its soft power and help the country win friends in Asean, added Dr Li Nan, a visiting senior research fellow at East Asian Institute (EAI).

"This is the time for China to give up the nine-dash line. It doesn't work in its interest," said Dr Li during a webinar about the maritime dispute, which was organised by EAI and ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

The speakers at The South China Sea Dispute: United States-China Rivalry, Lawfare and the Prospects for a Code of Conduct were mostly academics. They agreed that Asean and China were unlikely to issue guidelines on actions in the South China Sea by next year's deadline, given the Covid-19 pandemic.

Run-ins between China and claimant Asean states such as the Philippines and Vietnam in the disputed waters have increased this year.

Tensions are also escalating between China and Indonesia. The latter lodged a protest with Beijing earlier this month after a Chinese coast guard ship spent two days in Indonesia's exclusive economic zone, off the Natuna Islands in the South China Sea.

China's nine-dash line, which is in conflict with international maritime law but which China uses to claim waters around Natuna Islands, is at the heart of the dispute.

Dr Li said that Chinese coast guards have had to enforce their jurisdiction according to the nine-dash line and "that caused all the problems with the coastal states".

He added that abandoning the nine-dash line will serve China's interests, including boosting the country's soft power.

He pointed out that China had conceded parts of the nine-dash line before, in the early 1950s, when it removed two dashes as a gesture to its communist comrades in northern Vietnam.

But the Chinese leaders might face a backlash from institutions like the People's Liberation Army (PLA) if they make similar concessions again, he said.

"What really drives Chinese foreign policy is not so much public opinion as it is institution dynamics," he added.

"If China really decides to modify the nine-dash line... I don't think the PLA will like that."

Dr Li's comments drew a rebuke from co-panellist Le Hong Hiep, a fellow at ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

Dr Le said: "China did erase two dashes... but again, in 2010, it added another dash in the East China Sea. So, I'm not sure whether China really makes concessions regarding the nine-dash line."

"But I totally agree with Dr Li that it would be a great idea and good for China's soft power if it dropped the nine-dash line altogether," he added.

In 2016, an international tribunal in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that China's claim in the South China Sea - using the nine-dash line - had no legal basis, after the Philippines brought the case to the court.

The US explicitly sided with the ruling for the first time in July this year.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...in-asean-china

Xi Jinping getting rid of the nine dash line would cause an internal uprising both within the Communist Party and the general populace. Even under previous leaders, the nine dash line always existed, just that it was not enforced as strictly. There is no way Xi Jinping could ever survive in power by doing something as traitorous in the Chinese view as this ... it would be tantamount to dropping the claim to Taiwan.

Chinese kid, don't troll here about Vietnam.

Song Hong's native language is Vietnamese

 

[Nike]

LOL Chinese coast guard continue to patrol around Natuna Islands and Indonesia can do nothing about it!

Indonesia Protests Presence of Chinese Ship in Its Waters

Meanwhile, ship-tracking data seen by BenarNews showed a Chinese fishing fleet has also entered Indonesian waters.

www.benarnews.org

When it's time to dispose of our enemies, we will make them bleed bright red! They will be lined up like animals to a slaughterhouse!

LoL, then why now your coast guard retreated like feral hog mets their hunter?

 

[Song Hong]

China is always open to compromise on 9 dash line, but not under the duress of USA.

And regarding South China Sea Arbitration that Straits Times bring out, not a single SCS claimant will accept the rulings -- not just China. Why mention China alone.

Most important point of ruling is it consider Spratly as "reef" not "island". This practically harm the territory interest of ALL clamaints.

Below is Taiwan ground.

Taiwan: South China Sea Ruling ‘Completely Unacceptable’

Taiwan denounces the tribunal’s decision that Itu Aba is a rock, not an island.

thediplomat.com

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In 2016, an international tribunal in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that China's claim in the South China Sea - using the nine-dash line - had no legal basis, after the Philippines brought the case to the court.

 

[ILC]

And what China gains? Will Singapore ditch Americans from its defence? They won't. Singapore is the biggest American pawn at SCS its ain't Philippines and it ain't Vietnam.

 

[PeacefulWar]

LOL Chinese coast guard continue to patrol around Natuna Islands and Indonesia can do nothing about it!

Indonesia Protests Presence of Chinese Ship in Its Waters

Meanwhile, ship-tracking data seen by BenarNews showed a Chinese fishing fleet has also entered Indonesian waters.

www.benarnews.org

When it's time to dispose of our enemies, we will make them bleed bright red! They will be lined up like animals to a slaughterhouse!

You know what? We actually don't claim Natuna Islands...
The only issue that area is our transitional fishing area, China asked Indonesia to respect that fact.

LoL, then why now your coast guard retreated like feral hog mets their hunter?

China has no claims regards the islands.
Also those coast guards are in international sea and they have rights to sail there, some of your people/medias are overreacting and obviously have other agendas.

 

[Feng Leng]

LoL, then why now your coast guard retreated like feral hog mets their hunter?

LMFAO we patrol the waters around Natuna Islands every day and Indonesia can't do anything about it

 

[PeacefulWar]

China can safely drop nine-dash line in South China Sea and win friends in Asean: China expert

China could abandon the nine-dash line - which underpins its claim of up to 90 per cent of the disputed waters in the South China Sea - without hurting its long-term interests, a China military expert said on Friday (Sept 18).

In fact, abandoning the line would boost its soft power and help the country win friends in Asean, added Dr Li Nan, a visiting senior research fellow at East Asian Institute (EAI).

"This is the time for China to give up the nine-dash line. It doesn't work in its interest," said Dr Li during a webinar about the maritime dispute, which was organised by EAI and ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

The speakers at The South China Sea Dispute: United States-China Rivalry, Lawfare and the Prospects for a Code of Conduct were mostly academics. They agreed that Asean and China were unlikely to issue guidelines on actions in the South China Sea by next year's deadline, given the Covid-19 pandemic.

Run-ins between China and claimant Asean states such as the Philippines and Vietnam in the disputed waters have increased this year.

Tensions are also escalating between China and Indonesia. The latter lodged a protest with Beijing earlier this month after a Chinese coast guard ship spent two days in Indonesia's exclusive economic zone, off the Natuna Islands in the South China Sea.

China's nine-dash line, which is in conflict with international maritime law but which China uses to claim waters around Natuna Islands, is at the heart of the dispute.

Dr Li said that Chinese coast guards have had to enforce their jurisdiction according to the nine-dash line and "that caused all the problems with the coastal states".

He added that abandoning the nine-dash line will serve China's interests, including boosting the country's soft power.

He pointed out that China had conceded parts of the nine-dash line before, in the early 1950s, when it removed two dashes as a gesture to its communist comrades in northern Vietnam.

But the Chinese leaders might face a backlash from institutions like the People's Liberation Army (PLA) if they make similar concessions again, he said.

"What really drives Chinese foreign policy is not so much public opinion as it is institution dynamics," he added.

"If China really decides to modify the nine-dash line... I don't think the PLA will like that."

Dr Li's comments drew a rebuke from co-panellist Le Hong Hiep, a fellow at ISEAS - Yusof Ishak Institute.

Dr Le said: "China did erase two dashes... but again, in 2010, it added another dash in the East China Sea. So, I'm not sure whether China really makes concessions regarding the nine-dash line."

"But I totally agree with Dr Li that it would be a great idea and good for China's soft power if it dropped the nine-dash line altogether," he added.

In 2016, an international tribunal in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that China's claim in the South China Sea - using the nine-dash line - had no legal basis, after the Philippines brought the case to the court.

The US explicitly sided with the ruling for the first time in July this year.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...in-asean-china

China is actually will to do some compromises bilateral talks if you read China's past claims.
But Vietnam and Philippine refused to have bilateral talks.

China do have strong claims on SCS, so it's unacceptable for China to abandon claims on whole SCS.

If I'm not wrong, China only have disputes with Vietnam and Philippine when only territory dispute is concerned. It's American propogandas that give people delusions that China has disputes with all SCS countries.

 

[vi-va]

This article is full of bullsht written by moron.

China has clearly make concession on South China Sea, eleven dash line became 9. This Le Hong Hiep pulls in East China Sea. What does that got to do with South China Sea.

Moreover the 11 to 9 changes favors no one else but Vietnam.

This result to Dao Bach Long Vi going to Vietnam. And then, KMT soldiers were garrisoned in Bach Long Vi. Viet Cong cant drive them out. They beg China.

Finally PLA kick out the KMT soldiers delivering Dao Bach Long Vi to Vietnam, without any effort on Vietnam side.

How can Le Hong Hiep say China do not make concession.

This article is from Singapore Straits Times which is well known for her anti Chinese stance.

@sinait

Drop 9 dash? Stupid, never.