China Betrays Kokang, Ignoring Kokang Chinese Seeking Its Help

[nalan]

他们这类不少人自认为中国人太窝囊怕事，不团结以及自私等等，认为自己被连累而脸上无光。但是又没有真正有意义的建议所以动不动就闹情绪怨声载道，张口就自以为是侮辱他人智商，所谓"天下皆醉我独醒"。

我们都知道原因很多，但什么都能搞对立，我也是醉了。在这里我就一极品，实在忍不住极品下去 羡慕你们

 

[Huaren]

我们都知道原因很多，但什么都能搞对立，我也是醉了。在这里我就一极品，实在忍不住极品下去 羡慕你们

没法子，我们海外华人内心是比较复杂的，不过绝大多数人还是分得清黑白轻重的，而且哪怕一些平常爱发泄情绪的在国家民族关键时刻基本也不会*掉链子*，无论怎样祖国的状况还是与海外华人息息相关的，无论血脉，商机还是感情，当然也会影响到他人对我们的眼光等等。相对来说反而是国内一些容易情绪化的同胞更值得关注，海外华人眼光总的来讲还是比较开阔的。

 

[nalan]

没法子，我们海外华人内心是比较复杂的，不过绝大多数人还是分得清黑白轻重的，而且哪怕一些平常爱发泄情绪的在国家民族关键时刻基本也不会*掉链子*，无论怎样祖国的状况还是与海外华人息息相关的，无论血脉，商机还是感情，当然也会影响到他人对我们的眼光等等。相对来说反而是国内一些容易情绪化的同胞更值得关注，海外华人眼光总的来讲还是比较开阔的。

怎么说呢，中文我认为是朴素而华丽的，总能冲塞灵动，但在我们大陆我自己总有一种错觉，用得太苍白。今天的音乐也越来越平民化，不再那么高尚。我不能说好还是坏，但太多的过度庸俗很容易懈怠人的情操的，物质没上去，思想却也没起色，我能感觉中央急，也有可能是我胡思乱想，政治的东西国家没进步你吹得再神有什么用

 

[Brainsucker]

Oversea Chinese ≠ PRC Citizen

Yes, you right. Oversea Chinese are not PRC Citizen. But, we are connected by blood. If we are not, then why did the Kaifeng mayor said to the oversea Hakka people who held international hakka conference there as we like just return to our home? Did they told lies to us the oversea Chinese?

Well, but this is the catch, blood relation is thicker than the water, but it doesn't mean that PRC should make the Myanmar like Crimea. Military intervention is not the answer for such conflict. Specially when there are kokang rebel + drug dealer there in Myanmar. It is the Kokang civilian that should be ensured their safety by the Chinese government. Not by sending PLA, but by working together with Myanmar government. By then, With their influence, Myanmar government will take care of the Kokang civilian more, and to be more careful when doing military operation at Kokang region. And of course, to make sure that kokang innocent civilan to be considered as protected citizen by Myanmar, and not as cannon fodder.

 

[TaiShang]

Yes, you right. Oversea Chinese are not PRC Citizen. But, we are connected by blood. If we are not, then why did the Kaifeng mayor said to the oversea Hakka people who held international hakka conference there as we like just return to our home? Did they told lies to us the oversea Chinese?

Well, but this is the catch, blood relation is thicker than the water, but it doesn't mean that PRC should make the Myanmar like Crimea. Military intervention is not the answer for such conflict. Specially when there are kokang rebel + drug dealer there in Myanmar. It is the Kokang civilian that should be ensured their safety by the Chinese government. Not by sending PLA, but by working together with Myanmar government. By then, With their influence, Myanmar government will take care of the Kokang civilian more, and to be more careful when doing military operation at Kokang region. And of course, to make sure that kokang innocent civilan to be considered as protected citizen by Myanmar, and not as cannon fodder.

Excellent analysis and I agree 100%.

 

[cnleio]

I think this's BeiJing's official voice & attitude to Kokang crisis: The Kokang is not China's Crimea, Myanmar-China relationship is very stable !

人民网: 把果敢比成克里米亚很滑稽 中国对缅政策很稳定
2月9日起缅北果敢地区再爆战事，重出江湖的果敢地区前领导者彭家声发表致全球华人书，希望得到援助。从西方媒体到中国互联网上，一些极端的声音将果敢比喻成“克里米亚”，刺激出复杂的联想。

缅北的事情错综交织，果敢与云南比邻，缅北战事往往导致大量缅甸边民拥入中国境内，加之他们当中有很多人是果敢族，即“缅甸汉族”，因而引发中国国内舆论越来越多的关注。

中国应对缅北局势显然不是一件很简单的事，准确说，这可以称得上是一个“外交挑战”。中国的社会力量需要保持冷静，不轻易表态甚至介入缅北事务，确保政府开展外交所必要的空间。

作为媒体对缅北的情况做一个厘清，对中国社会了解那里的事态大概是有益的。

首先，中缅之间的边界很清楚，双方没有领土问题。果敢早在1897年就已划归英属印度(当时缅甸是其一部分)，这不仅是新中国之前，也是民国之前的事。

第二，缅甸的果敢族属于缅甸少数民族，他们是我们中国人的亲戚，但他们不是中华人民共和国公民。

第三，果敢不是克里米亚，那样比喻它毫无现实基础，或者是一些人随口瞎诌，或者有着中国断不可接招的特殊目的。

第四，中国最大的国家利益在于边境地区和平、稳定，中国就缅北问题所能发挥的作用应当是促和，劝缅甸政府军与少数民族地方武装通过谈判解决问题。大量缅甸边民拥入中国境内很不利于中国边境地区的稳定，中国促和于理于情都是必要的。

第五，中国与缅甸政府及缅甸社会各种力量都保持着良好关系，这样的友好应当继续保持下去。中国在任何时候都不应成为缅甸内部冲突的一方，无论中国国内的还是缅甸内部的力量都不应把事情朝这个方向推，而且如果有力量那样推了，也不会有它们希望的结果。

缅北的历史看来有些沉重，解决历史问题既需要魄力，也需要智慧。缅北战事近来有加剧之势，政府军和民地武之间都有大量人员伤亡，冲突波及之地民不聊生。今年是缅甸大选之年，我们强烈希望选举能带来冲突各方的谅解和宽容，而不是让冲突成为影响选举的筹码。

中国的对缅政策总体上很稳定，而且我们有保持这种定力的充足能力。随意揣测中国改变对缅北问题的态度，会成对缅甸社会及对自己的误导。试图引导中国做重要政策调整，将会失算，耽误自己。

国内某些人出于种种原因对果敢人存在好感或同情，这是难免和可以理解的。但这不是北京对缅政策的决定性因素。中国的对缅态度会以国际法和中缅长期友好的战略利益为框架，这方面不太可能有颠覆性改变。

缅甸人口有五千多万，但少数民族竟有134个，民地武有29支，目前签了和平协议的有十余支。相信缅甸政府要彻底处理好民族问题会很艰难。各方，包括军方应当先停火，停了火才能进行和谈。我们祝愿这个国家好运，也祝愿包括果敢族在内的各少数民族都有和平发展的机会。

 

[Nan Yang]

Yes, you right. Oversea Chinese are not PRC Citizen. But, we are connected by blood. If we are not, then why did the Kaifeng mayor said to the oversea Hakka people who held international hakka conference there as we like just return to our home? Did they told lies to us the oversea Chinese?

Well, but this is the catch, blood relation is thicker than the water, but it doesn't mean that PRC should make the Myanmar like Crimea. Military intervention is not the answer for such conflict. Specially when there are kokang rebel + drug dealer there in Myanmar. It is the Kokang civilian that should be ensured their safety by the Chinese government. Not by sending PLA, but by working together with Myanmar government. By then, With their influence, Myanmar government will take care of the Kokang civilian more, and to be more careful when doing military operation at Kokang region. And of course, to make sure that kokang innocent civilan to be considered as protected citizen by Myanmar, and not as cannon fodder.

Could not agree more. China should not be drag into a 60 year old war by a drug dealer with a hidden agenda.

Before forging an alliance beware their true intentions.

 

[IPen]

我没资格櫭越政府，我只是对憋半天出来这么一篇消极过头的垃圾无法接受。中国十几亿人我认治国是件值得冷酷的事，但在事关民族感情上的事，你就不能表现得热心点吗，遮遮掩掩的怕什么嘛 还是不值得？想撇清关系就能撇清了？？

唉。
海外几千万华人，你管得过来多少？假如未来一个说一口流利普通话的日本人跑过来说：我是华人，一家人啊，照顾一下。你怎么鉴定？能验血统吗？更不用说这个世界上对华人本身最恶毒的就是某些海外华人。不要太矫情，现在是一个国籍大于血统的世界,美欧亦是如此。也就是他们过得比较惨，要是他们比中国发达他们才不会理你，香港台湾新加坡已经是很充分的例子。
你比较像中国的部分文科生，完全被感性所困扰。拜托稍微做点研究和分析吧。最简单的，开一个文档，列出所有有影响的因素。随便说几个：1.这个地方的渊源，包括资料来源和可信度。2中国在缅甸的战略规划及其重要程度(比如油气管道)。3你想怎么帮？直接出兵吗？可能的后果是什么？4.中国如果被封锁和制裁会怎么样？。。。。。。
如果真的感兴趣，花点业余时间把它当成一个课题来研究。在对一件事情一知半解的情况下就为它不开心，不是很荒谬吗？
It is easier said than thought.

 

[onebyone]

 

[Yizhi]

What can you expect from those mainland Chinese that were educated to only believe might is right and "power comes from gunpowder?" They only value what benefits the PRC can gain. Everything is about benefits to them! But of course , there are also silent majority that still value human compassion and traditions. That's why I said most so called Chinese here are probably wumao.

are you talking about geopolitics at all? or you live in a 'perfect' world that power does not come from gunpowder in international affairs? how much do you actually care about those refugees or you just want China to stretch muscles blindly regardless of national interests and geopolitical strategy? somehow PRC Chinese shouldn't take care of PRC interest first?

please differentiate national interests from personal feelings.
on personal level i sympathize with all the overseas Chinese, we all want a peaceful environment for future prosperity. but any ethnic Chinese (overseas or not doesn't matter) should not have the delusion that national strategy or geopolitical calculations will change according to 'human compassion and traditions'. otherwise Brits wouldn't have started Opium War, Japanese wouldn't have wiped out Nanjing, ME would have been peaceful and the sh!t constantly going on in Africa (in many way even worse than ME) would have attracted our attention.

怎么说呢，中文我认为是朴素而华丽的，总能冲塞灵动，但在我们大陆我自己总有一种错觉，用得太苍白。今天的音乐也越来越平民化，不再那么高尚。我不能说好还是坏，但太多的过度庸俗很容易懈怠人的情操的，物质没上去，思想却也没起色，我能感觉中央急，也有可能是我胡思乱想，政治的东西国家没进步你吹得再神有什么用

这是最好的时代，也是最坏的时代。
若是不喜欢庸俗就努力提升自己，阳春白雪的东西也很多啊，不过是受众少些罢了，连这些都担心你活得多累啊。

 

[onebyone]

 

[nalan]

唉。
海外几千万华人，你管得过来多少？假如未来一个说一口流利普通话的日本人跑过来说：我是华人，一家人啊，照顾一下。你怎么鉴定？能验血统吗？更不用说这个世界上对华人本身最恶毒的就是某些海外华人。不要太矫情，现在是一个国籍大于血统的世界,美欧亦是如此。也就是他们过得比较惨，要是他们比中国发达他们才不会理你，香港台湾新加坡已经是很充分的例子。
你比较像中国的部分文科生，完全被感性所困扰。拜托稍微做点研究和分析吧。最简单的，开一个文档，列出所有有影响的因素。随便说几个：1.这个地方的渊源，包括资料来源和可信度。2中国在缅甸的战略规划及其重要程度(比如油气管道)。3你想怎么帮？直接出兵吗？可能的后果是什么？4.中国如果被封锁和制裁会怎么样？。。。。。。
如果真的感兴趣，花点业余时间把它当成一个课题来研究。在对一件事情一知半解的情况下就为它不开心，不是很荒谬吗？
It is easier said than thought.

是的 我可能感性还任性了，但像文科生嘛，我最讨厌语文了 哦 对了 我还为此考了两次高考哦 幸福吧 另我什么时候说要管海外华人了啊 难道海内的就不算了 你理科生好啊 直接忽略我开头几个字找中心内容去了啊，不知你做了文档解了课题是为你自己还是自己啊

are you talking about geopolitics at all? or you live in a 'perfect' world that power does not come from gunpowder in international affairs? how much do you actually care about those refugees or you just want China to stretch muscles blindly regardless of national interests and geopolitical strategy? somehow PRC Chinese shouldn't take care of PRC interest first?

please differentiate national interests from personal feelings.
on personal level i sympathize with all the overseas Chinese, we all want a peaceful environment for future prosperity. but any ethnic Chinese (overseas or not doesn't matter) should not have the delusion that national strategy or geopolitical calculations will change according to 'human compassion and traditions'. otherwise Brits wouldn't have started Opium War, Japanese wouldn't have wiped out Nanjing, ME would have been peaceful and the sh!t constantly going on in Africa (in many way even worse than ME) would have attracted our attention.



这是最好的时代，也是最坏的时代。
若是不喜欢庸俗就努力提升自己，阳春白雪的东西也很多啊，不过是受众少些罢了，连这些都担心你活得多累啊。

我活的累不累需要你担心还是咋的

这是最好的时代，也是最坏的时代。
若是不喜欢庸俗就努力提升自己，阳春白雪的东西也很多啊，不过是受众少些罢了，连这些都担心你活得多累啊。

另 我不会说小苹果庸俗 麻烦你不要老套自己想法

 

[powastick]

That is why overseas chinese should protect themselves first instead hoping for help. Always have a plan to flee. Securing mainland geopolitics is more important. If our forefathers migrated to other countries, you should be willing to migrate away.

 

[BoQ77]

Chinese race migrated to other countries not for getting the protection of China mainland.
But run away from it.

 

[bolo]

Chinese race migrated to other countries not for getting the protection of China mainland.
But run away from it.

how does one run across the ocean? Are you suggesting all run, some will walk right?