China became the first friend of the Russians

[Chhatrapati]

So why doesn't it matter when I said China is India's biggest trade partner?

Now you don't make sense.

Yeah, China is important to India I didn't say otherwise sunshine.

 

[Genesis]

Now you don't make sense.

Yeah, China is important to India I didn't say otherwise sunshine.

Then why did you say who cares? To say it does matter?

 

[nang2]

It's different, the Soviet Union and China had territorial disputes, leading to us becoming enemies with each other.

That's not the case with China and Russia, we officially solved those territorial disputes a while back.

In the current world scenario it would be interesting to see China and Russia sign a full mutual defence treaty. Neither side really needs it (both can defend themselves from any invasion) but that's exactly why it would be a genuine sign of goodwill.

Not due to the territorial disputes. Soviet wanted to subject China to its communistic bloc. China wanted to be independent.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Then why did you say who cares? To say it does matter?

lol! You hurt?

Man, trade between China and India is not in my post or his. So, what's the point? Hence, I said 'who cares'.

 

[Genesis]

lol! You hurt?

Man, trade between China and India is not in my post or his. So, what's the point? Hence, I said 'who cares'.

Hurt about what? I'm not sure what your stance is, this isn't about India, it's about biggest trade partner, fine let's switch.

How about the US, we are its biggest trade partner, is the US' future with China? Are we going to be best buds?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not due to the territorial disputes. Soviet wanted to subject China to its communistic bloc. China wanted to be independent.

Sure there was the ideological angle too. But neither one applies today.

 

[Nan Yang]

It’s like 1950 all over again. Russia rolls tanks into Eastern Europe and gets chummy with China.

NATO and United States aren't totally innocent either.

 

[Chhatrapati]

How about the US, we are its biggest trade partner, is the US' future with China? Are we going to be best buds?

Again, the largest trade partners of US are the west and N. American nations.

And I didn't say anything about being best buds. I said, countries that are important to Russia, which they can't just ignore. I'm not saying China is not important. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Nan Yang]

The point is what the person said that Russia though their future lies with the west.

And it does. What's your problem? Am I wrong to say that it does?

huh! I said, western European countries are more important to Russia than anyone else. A lot of Russians live and work in those countries. Also being their largest trade partners.

With NATO Eastward expansion, with missile defence system in Poland, color revolution in Ukraine, sanctions on Russia, bombing Serbia, cancellation of the Mistral by France ...... Russia future is still in Europe????

Western Europe never wanted Russia.....Or Turkey either. Russia should have realized it years ago. NATO and US want to destroy Russia and make Russia a junior European country.

 

[Chhatrapati]

With NATO Eastward expansion, with missile defence system in Poland, color revolution in Ukraine, sanctions on Russia, bombing Serbia, cancellation of the Mistral by France ...... Russia future is still in Europe????

Western Europe never wanted Russia.....Or Turkey either. Russia should have realized it years ago. NATO and US want to destroy Russia and make Russia a junior European country.

Why not? You are talking about future, then why don't you consider the possibility of sanctions being lifted. Solutions in Crimea crisis, which the bone of contention.

Mind you, they fought two world wars together. NATO and US have no interest in destroying Russia or vis a vis. During the early 2000's Russians had a soft approach to NATO with speculations that, Russians would even join the NATO block. Although later, Putin took a more harsh approach.

And like I've already said, Russia is in Europe both culturally and in population centers. Who would bet on someone thousands of miles apart? That's the case for every country.

 

[MrSato1]

Who cares? I'm just saying how Important west is to Russia or rather Russia is in the west (figuratively).

China depends on the US and EU more so than Russia so your point that still proves that Russian should instead try and forge its future eith asia instea dof its traditional economic partners. The US is China single larget trading partner yet china sees its future in Eurasia thus the belt and road, AIIB, CPEC.

China though dependent on the Nato countries, is stil actively trying to possition itself to nations that will benefit it in the long run.

I hope Pakistan can join in this Chinese-Russian alliance. But alas, Russia has good relations with India.

That is what is stopping that alliance from working.

With the way Modi is possitioning India, it will inly be a matter if time before Russia has to chose. Either india will be non aligned which will still benefit China Pakistan Russia relations, or it sides eith the West which will still result in good China-PAK- Russia relations.

Its up to the Pakistani govt to olay its cards right and not be put in a possition within the next 10 years wherey Russia would have to choose between it and india. So long as Russia doesnt have to choose it will naturally allignt with Pakistan throguh China.

 

[Genesis]

Again, the largest trade partners of US are the west and N. American nations.

And I didn't say anything about being best buds. I said, countries that are important to Russia, which they can't just ignore. I'm not saying China is not important. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

If that's not what you are saying, then you didn't say anything at all. The topic is Russian alliance, then you said largest trading partners to Russia is the West. Why make that comment, if you don't think it's going to affect this topic. EU is also important to China, Also important to Africa. So what, what does being the largest trading partner for EU affect Russia being an ally of China. I don't agree or disagree, but you didn't make it clear why it is so.


America's single largest trading partner is China. Get your facts right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States

 

[oprih]

It's obvious that Russia will pick China and other countries like Belarus as their closest allies, these countries have always been fair to Russia and support it actively in the international scene. Western european countries and america on the other hand has done everything they can to humiliate Russia with their unfair sanctions and non-stop anti-Russia propaganda.

The future of Russia lies in the east, it is for the best of Russia's interest to continue to have a strong and good relationship with China, both nations will get huge benefits from such partnership.

 

[Chhatrapati]

America's single largest trading partner is China. Get your facts right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States

Can't you read European Union straight, Einstein? Or Canada, what did I say wrong. The largest trade partners of the US are in North America, Europe.

If that's not what you are saying, then you didn't say anything at all. The topic is Russian alliance, then you said largest trading partners to Russia is the West. Why make that comment, if you don't think it's going to affect this topic. EU is also important to China, Also important to Africa. So what, what does being the largest trading partner for EU affect Russia being an ally of China. I don't agree or disagree, but you didn't make it clear why it is so.

Gosh!! Of course, I'm not gonna bring your beloved Wikipedia to prove the number of countries Russia is trading with. Add the percentage and understand, EU countries are Russias largest trade partner. And I'm talking exclusively about Russia, not China.

 

[Genesis]

Can't you read European Union straight, Einstein? Or Canada, what did I say wrong. The largest trade partners of the US are in North America, Europe.

I said single, if you are going to go by a group, than I must say, Africa is a bigger trade partner than Africa for China.

Gosh!! Of course, I'm not gonna bring your beloved Wikipedia to prove the number of countries Russia is trading with. Add the percentage and understand, EU countries are Russias largest trade partner. And I'm talking exclusively about Russia, not China.

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What is happening here am I speaking French? I believe I just wasted my time, you have no understanding of what I am even trying to convey, much less have a debate about it. Let's not do this again.