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China-Bangladesh Relations and Potential for Regional Tensions

Well the current regime in Bangladesh is quite willing to pursue closer ties with India. Since they were democratically elected into office, clearly most Bangladeshis would like to see better relations between our countries.

I personally fed up with your Chanakya diplomacy. Perhaps you do not understand English much so here goes.

Neek Hallak
with your Chanakya diplomacy.......None of us are buying your BS wallah
 
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I personally fed up with your Chanakya diplomacy. Perhaps you do not understand English much so here goes.

Neek Hallak
with your Chanakya diplomacy.......None of us are buying your BS wallah


I'm personally fed up with your wannabe Arabic. If you can't speak the language then why pretend? Do yourself a favor, stick to English, don't embarrass yourself any further with your broken Arabic.

And stop cussing. If I hear another 'fcuk' or any other insult from you I'm going to report you to the mods.

You are paranoid and ignorant. The way forward for South Asia is peace. If this infighting carries on any longer we'll all be at someone else's mercy.
 
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I'm personally fed up with your wannabe Arabic. If you can't speak the language then why pretend? Do yourself a favor, stick to English, don't embarrass yourself any further with your broken Arabic.

And stop cussing. If I hear another 'fcuk' or any other insult from you I'm going to report you to the mods.

You are paranoid and ignorant. The way forward for South Asia is peace. If this infighting carries on any longer we'll all be at someone else's mercy.

What's the matter buddy? Did I hit you in the right spot? You Bharati will never be our true friends or well wishers. Just leave us alone and we will do the same. You poke your dirty nose in our business than we will repay you one way or other. It's a promise.
 
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What's the matter buddy? Did I hit you in the right spot? You Bharati will never be our true friends or well wishers. Just leave us alone and we will do the same. You poke your dirty nose in our business than we will repay you one way or other. It's a promise.

'Buddy', it will take a lot more than your below average Arabic skills to get on my nerves.

I think we both know how limited your grasp on Arabic is, then why do you go around throwing words when you can hardly put a sentence together? Why do you do such things? Learn first, talk later.

We 'Bhartis' are the only real friends you will ever have. We are the same race of people, we have the same history, same culture, if there's anyone who can understand you and treat you as an equal its us.

You need to stop hating and open your eyes, BD will gain nothing by antagonizing India and vice versa.

Also, you need to learn how to debate with civility.
 
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'Buddy', it will take a lot more than your below average Arabic skills to get on my nerves.

I think we both know how limited your grasp on Arabic is, then why do you go around throwing words when you can hardly put a sentence together? Why do you do such things? Learn first, talk later.

I never claim to be fluent in Arabic nor asked your help but question is, why are you underestimating my language skill? Whether I use one Arabic word or whole sentence is my discretion. Using Arabic words are part of our culture and we all use it more or less. You had similar view about my Urdu as well but as it reveled you do not know Urdu yet judged me anyway. What is with you people underestimating Bangladeshi as we are not capable of learning any other language beside Bangla and perhaps English. It is you lack in respecting others as I never question your capability.




We 'Bhartis' are the only real friends you will ever have. We are the same race of people, we have the same history, same culture, if there's anyone who can understand you and treat you as an equal its us.

It's your opinion but reality is diffrent.

You need to stop hating and open your eyes, BD will gain nothing by antagonizing India and vice versa.

Bangladesh got to nothing to gain from India as you are not position of helping us. You need to uplift your people thus leave our matter to us and concentrate on your nation. Why are you wasting your energy on our country when it can be better utilize in yours.

On the flip side, China is proven friend of Bd since 75 and we Bangladeshi appreciate it. It will be criminal to denied their past contribution. We need china more than they need us. China can help us to build our infrastructure as well as our military. A good quality of china is that they never interferes with our internal matter. We need to open our door to china same way Pakistan did about 50 years ago.


Also, you need to learn how to debate with civility.

You stop being judgmental about my skill and than perhaps we can start all over. :smokin:
 
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While Bangladesh people looking out for answers to “which one to trust: China or India?” they should look out for hard facts.

One fact is that after 60 plus years since India independence, it resolves no border issues with any of its neighbors; Meanwhile, after 60 years of the establishment of PR China, it has resolved all border issues with 13 of its 14 neighbors. The only problematic country China has is India. And China is heading to resolve more subtle marine issues left by history.

If Indians were wise and with healthy mentality, they should jump into the chance for common prosperity of SA by utilizing the made-in-China wagon, not to sabotage it.
 
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I never claim to be fluent in Arabic nor asked your help but question is, why are you underestimating my language skill? Whether I use one Arabic word or whole sentence is my discretion. Using Arabic words are part of our culture and we all use it more or less. You had similar view about my Urdu as well but as it reveled you do not know Urdu yet judged me anyway. What is with you people underestimating Bangladeshi as we are not capable of learning any other language beside Bangla and perhaps English. It is you lack in respecting others as I never question your capability.

Well to be honest you sound like a beginner, never heard anyone say that before although I certainly got the gist of it. I think my Urdu skills are decent, my mother tongue is Hindi, I grew up in the middle east and nearly all my friends were Pakistani (mostly from Karachi/some Pathans) so I picked up a decent amount. I find Urdu and Hindi pretty interchangeable in everyday conversation, although it gets a little confusing when people use pure Urdu. Pathans are obviously different, their accent and mannerisms are the subject of countless jokes (among Pakistanis).

Also, don't extrapolate my post to all Bangladeshis, this is between me and you.

And when did Arabic become part of your culture? You don't have to be an Arab to be a Muslim.

It's your opinion but reality is diffrent.

And this is your opinion. I have Bangladeshi family friends, you guys eat the same food, your music is similar, most of us have no trouble communicating. I think if anyone can understand you its us.

Bangladesh got to nothing to gain from India as you are not position of helping us. You need to uplift your people thus leave our matter to us and concentrate on your nation. Why are you wasting your energy on our country when it can be better utilize in yours.

India is doing all it can and more. You cannot expect to eradicate poverty in one day. Its a long process. Its not just about what we can gain from each other (and there's a lot) its also about living in harmony with each other. The Europeans always have each others back, why can't we?

On the flip side, China is proven friend of Bd since 75 and we Bangladeshi appreciate it. It will be criminal to denied their past contribution. We need china more than they need us. China can help us to build our infrastructure as well as our military. A good quality of china is that they never interferes with our internal matter. We need to open our door to china same way Pakistan did about 50 years ago.

Certainly there is much you can gain from China. India's trade with China is worth tens of billions. They have lots of money so of course it makes sense to work with them.

My only concern (and you're proof) is that an outside party will try to drive a wedge between our countries which will make life harder for both of us. This is something both our countries should avoid.

You stop being judgmental about my skill and than perhaps we can start all over. :smokin:

Alright, and on the same note, I would like you to stop labeling all my posts as 'Chanakya diplomacy', who the hell was Chanakya anyway?
 
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While Bangladesh people looking out for answers to “which one to trust: China or India?” they should look out for hard facts.

Actually people of Bangladesh already know the answer that india and indians can not be trusted. There is no question or dispute about that.

Only question Bangladeshis are seeking how get rid of indian stooges and stench who made their way in Bangladesh.
 
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My only concern (and you're proof) is that an outside party will try to drive a wedge between our countries which will make life harder for both of us. This is something both our countries should avoid.



Alright, and on the same note, I would like you to stop labeling all my posts as 'Chanakya diplomacy', who the hell was Chanakya anyway?

Once again same repeated circualr logic and begging hat from indian. Who Bangladesh decide to have close relation with is Bangladesh decision and because of Bangladesh interest. India has no right and nothing to do with it. If india choose to interfere with that which its been doing then india stand to loose. And only gain india can have its neighbors distrust and disgust.
 
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Once again same repeated circualr logic and begging hat from indian. Who Bangladesh decide to have close relation with is Bangladesh decision and because of Bangladesh interest. India has no right and nothing to do with it. If india choose to interfere with that which its been doing then india stand to loose. And only gain india can have its neighbors distrust and disgust.

Yet another post that reeks of paranoia, insecurity and hatred.

BD is free to work with anyone they please, but as neighbors both countries will invariably have to take each others concerns into account, so I believe we do have 'something to do with it'.

and what exactly do you mean by 'another begging hat by Indian'?

As snoop dogg rightly said, 'I ain't weak for wantin' peace'.
 
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When the mutual distrust between BD and Burma is gone, it will open new avenue also for BD - China relationship. BD needs direct road link with China through Burma. BD is planning to build a US$10b large deep seaport in the Maheshkhali island near Cox's Bazaar. China will certainly use this port, because it will give China a very short access for its import and export to and from their Yunan province.

When the Shanghai route is more than 3,000 km, the BD-Burma-Yunan route is less than 500km. Whatever may be the form of BD govt, China will remain BD's trusted friend.
 
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China offers $1b for 5 projects​
But favours hard loans; wants to pick bidders for their projects; unhappy with slow project implementation
Rejaul Karim Byron
China at a state-level meeting has primarily expressed its interest to finance five projects involving more than $1 billion as Bangladesh sought $5.14 billion assistance for 28 projects.

China also offers its assistance in a mix of buyer's credit and concessional loans, which have hard terms, against Bangladesh's request for soft loans.

Since 1975, China has given Bangladesh $1.5 billion finance, of which $978 million had been hard type loans.

The country also said in future Bangladesh should submit feasibility study reports to it for all its proposed projects, and then China would have its own feasibility study before deciding which schemes to finance.

China also expressed its unhappiness about Bangladesh's poor project implementation under Chinese fund.

The Chinese side also said the contractors for the projects to be assisted by China have to be selected from China which is an internationally accepted process.

China conveyed these suggestions earlier this month following a meeting of the Bangladesh-China Joint Economic Commission (JEC) held in Beijing on July 28.

Economic Relations Division (ERD) Secretary Mosharraf Hossain Bhuiyan headed a nine-member Bangladesh team at the meeting, while Vice-minister Chen Jian led a nine-member Chinese delegation. The last JEC meeting was held in Dhaka in May 2005.

Bangladesh team sources say China primarily expressed its interest in the projects of Seventh Bangladesh-China Friendship Bridge on the Arial Khan river in Kazirtek, Madaripur, Bangladesh-China Friendship Exhibition Centre, Shahjalal Fertiliser Factory, digital telecommunications networks at the metropolises and Pagla-Keraniganj Water Treatment Plant.

Mosharraf Hossain Bhuiyan told The Daily Star the JEC meeting has been successful, but its final success would depend on active implementation of the meeting decisions.

He said ERD in this regard has already started discussions with the ministries concerned.

Mosharraf added, "We requested the Chinese government to give soft loans instead of suppliers of buyers credit. If soft loan is available, approval and implementation of the project become easy. The approval process of suppliers or buyers credit is very complex."

The ERD secretary quoting the Chinese vice-minister said, "The Chinese government requested the Bangladesh side to prioritise the projects and inform them."

"However, the Chinese minister said the projects which were already being discussed may be considered on priority basis," he added.

The Chinese state bank the Export Import Bank of China last week also relayed the terms and conditions to Bangladesh.

Both sides signed an Agreed Minutes on Bangladesh's proposal on the projects and other issues.

Sources say the Chinese side agreed to conduct a feasibility study on the construction of Kazirtek Bridge which was confirmed by the signing of a Letter of Exchange on July 28.

The Chinese side would send an investigation team to Bangladesh for the project.

On the Bangladesh-China Friendship Exhibition Centre, the Bangladesh delegation accepted that due to the strict restriction on height, the net height for nearly 50 percent of the indoor space will be lower than 12 metres. The Chinese side also agreed to make a new design of the project.

The Import and Export Bank of China will send an expert team to re-evaluate Shahjalal Fertiliser Plant and report review conclusion to the Ministry of Commerce of China.

In September 2006 the Import and Export Bank of China and the Ministry of Finance of Bangladesh signed a general loan agreement on a preferential buyer's credit worth $211 million as part of preferential buyer's credit worth $400 million provided by the Chinese side and the agreement expired in August 2008.

The Bangladesh side proposed to provide the proposed loan to the "Introduction of 3G and Expansion of 2.5G Network" project instead of "Installation of Digital Telephone Exchanges in Metropolitan cities and Important District Headquarters and Upazila Growth Centres" and to provide soft loan for the project.

The Chinese side noticed the request of the Bangladesh side.

Sources say at the JEC meeting the Chinese side expressed dissatisfaction saying in the past changes have been made several times in selecting project and implementation in Bangladesh. Indonesia, on the other hand, started project implementation at the same time and completed implementation of all China-aided projects, but Bangladesh could make almost no progress.

The sources say at the meeting they also said Chinese grant would not meet Bangladesh's emergency needs. In this regard the Chinese government has its own limitations. In case of getting assistance of big amount Bangladesh would have to take loans from the Chinese banks.

They also told the meeting the feasibility study of the project for which Bangladesh sought assistance should first be done by Bangladesh. If the result of the study is positive then Chinese authorities may conduct their study.

They also said what kind of grant China would give to commercial projects depends mostly on the profitability of the projects.

The deficit against Bangladesh is the highest in China-Bangladesh trade. China has already given Bangladesh duty free market access for 84 commodities, but in reality there is no demand for these items in the Chinese market.

For this, at the JEC meeting Bangladesh sought duty free access for another 34 commodities in the Chinese market. China has not given any specific assurance in this regard but said it would consider the matter.

China has offered incentives like free booth to participating exhibitors from Bangladesh in the South Asian Countries Commodity Fair in Kunming by the end of this year.

The ERD high officials say they would write a fresh letter to the Chinese government requesting to inform how much assistance Chinese government is willing to give for the 28 projects and what are the terms and conditions.

After knowing how much assistance would be available the Bangladesh government would try to collect the gap in required fund from other sources.

Bangladesh was seeking Chinese assistance in introducing 3G telecom network and expansion of 2.5G network at an estimated cost of $211 million, construction of the second Padma bridge at an estimated cost of $579.21 million, Pagla/Keraniganj Water Treatment Plant at a cost of $267 million, North Dhaka (East) Sewerage Treatment Plant and associated sewerage system at a cost of $121 million and the second Meghna bridge on Dhaka-Chittagong Highway at an estimated cost of $125.36 million.

Dhaka will formally request Beijing to provide $1.4 billion to implement the Ganges Barrage Project and $88.12 million for restoration of the flow of the Buriganga river and for a project for prevention of river pollution, says the list of projects to be discussed at the talks.

Earlier, Bangladesh requested China to provide $560 million for implementing the North-West Fertiliser Company Limited project.

China however proposed a mixed credit scheme for the project, to which Bangladesh responded by urging China in June this year to provide the assistance for Shahjalal Fertiliser Company in Fenchuganj instead.

At the talks in Beijing, once again Bangladesh will request for a financial assistance of $600 million for the much-awaited Rooppur Nuclear Power Project. In February 2007, ERD sought the assistance from China, but a response is yet to come.

The national ICT infrastructure network for the Bangladesh government phase-2 at an estimated cost of $130 million, construction of a single line metre gauge railway track from Dohazari to Cox's Bazar through Ramu, and from Ramu to Gundum at an estimated cost of $210 million, a railway bridge with provision of dual gauge double track over the Jamuna river at an estimated cost of $172 million, Karnaphuli tunnel at an estimated cost of $289 million, and construction of Barapukuria 125 megawatt coal-fired thermal power station at a cost of 47.4 million are the other projects expected to be discussed.

The Daily Star - Details News
 
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150MW PEAKING POWER PLANT
Chinese companies rule Sirajganj tender
Sharier Khan

Eight companies including five from China yesterday submitted technical and financial bids for installing a 150 megawatt peaking power plant in Sirajganj under the newly formed North West Power Generation Company (NWPGC).

The Chinese companies are Shandong Electric, China National Electric Equipment Corporation (CNEEC), Sinohydro, Shanghai Electric Co, and CMC. The three other companies are Spanish Cobra and Isolux and Indian Bhel.

An influential ruling party man who is trying to influence different power tenders being staged by different government agencies is representing most of the Chinese companies.

The same person is also representing an Indo-German power company in one of the recent tender processes.

This is the second tender floated by the NWPGC that floated the first tender for another 150 mw peaking power project in Khulna in which the same set of Chinese companies submitted their bids on June 30.

Cobra and Isolux had also submitted their bids in that tender.

Sources say the NWPGC will take six weeks to two months time for technical evaluation of the bids and then open the financial bids submitted by the companies.

The NWPGC has not yet completed the technical evaluation of the bids for its first tender for the Khulna power project although it was expected to be completed by mid-August.

The sources add it is expected to issue clarifications to the bidders soon to pave the way for the completion of the evaluation.

Meanwhile, the Electricity Generation Company of Bangladesh (EGCB) continues to go slow with its tender for the Siddhirganj 300 mw power project under the World Bank financing. The technical evaluation of the tender floated back in April.

Eight companies had participated in this tender including four Chinese and one Indo-German companies represented by the same ruling party man.

Sources say the EGCB was under pressure from the beginning to award the contract to the Indo-German company Gammons that sought a read-out price of $186.59 million guaranteeing 283 mw power generation using two pieces of Italian Ansaldo equipment.

There are several shortcomings in the bid documents of Gammons which actually disqualifies its bid, sources say.

Meanwhile, a letter from the World Bank in July informed the EGCB of a decision that German power plant equipment manufacturer Siemens has restrained from participating in World Bank Group financed projects till December 31, 2010.

The WB against an allegation of corruption is now investigating Siemens. All the Chinese power companies bidding in the Siddhirganj tender use Siemens equipment.

This letter made the EGCB go slow with the tender until the power ministry asked it to complete the evaluation process.

The sources say the EGCB and WB officials held a meeting on August 25 in which the WB emphasised on speeding up the process.

"Now the EGCB is in the process of seeking clarification from Gammons soon," says a source.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=103319
 
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SHANGHAI GETS SYLHET POWER JOB
Purchase body okays bid despite flawed tender documents
Staff Correspondent

The cabinet purchase committee yesterday approved a Tk 704 crore bid for setting up a 150-megawatt combined cycle power plant in Sylhet by China's Shanghai Electric Company (SEC).

The committee made the approval at a meeting at the Cabinet Division of the Secretariat with Finance Minister AMA Muhith in the chair.

The SEC bagged the deal despite submitting flawed bid documents. Besides, some vital machinery offered by the company is not backed up with proper performance guarantee.

An influential ruling party man is working as the local representative of the Chinese company.

Mentioning the reason for ignoring such irregularities, a top source at the Power Development Board (PDB) earlier told The Daily Star, “We have okayed this bid because it's the sixth tender and we can not afford to waste any more time on this project.”

All previous five tenders fell flat following influence of powerful lobbies.

PDB made its recommendation in early July for awarding the deal to the SEC.

The tender floated on October 26 last year for this project had flaws from the beginning as the power ministry on December 12 abruptly changed a bid criterion allowing any power company with overseas experience of installing “any type” of power plant to participate in the bidding.

The original bid criterion set by the PDB was that the power company must have the experience of installing gas turbine power plants. The change in this criterion compromised the quality of bids.

Four companies submitted bids offering project cost of around $100 million but they all failed to comply with the terms and conditions of the tender.

The evaluation committee found that all bid proposals lack supporting documents and fall under the Rejection Clause of the tender. Under the Public Procurement Rules, there is no scope for evaluating the bids that do not comply with the Rejection Clause.

SEC showed Barapukuria coal-fired 250-megawatt power plant as one of its accomplishments. This plant was actually built by a Chinese consortium led by CMC along with SEC and SEEC.

The SEC offered a gas booster compressor from Shanghai Fiorentini China, which has no experience of supplying such equipment. But interestingly, the SEC submitted performance certificate issued by end-users mentioning that the gas booster has been supplied by Pietro-Fiorentini in Italy, not by Shanghai Fiorentini.

Gas booster had been a major issue for the Harbin's Tongi 80-megawatt power plant that tripped dozens of times alone because of installation of a wrong gas booster by that company.

The plant tripped more than 100 times in the first two years of operation since March 2005.

The purchase committee also approved a Tk 33 crore housing project under the Public Works Department for government staff. A total of 360 flats of 1,336 square feet each will be constructed under the project at Mirpur section-2.

The committee also renewed a Tk 23 crore contract with an Australian-Canadian joint venture company for operation and maintenance of Siddhirganj power plant.

The committee approved another project worth Tk 66 crore for rehabilitation of a 37.5 kilometre rail track at Faujdarhat.

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=103323
 
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