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I suspect there is much more military cooperation going on between Russia and China than either country admits. Russia likes the money and to stir the pot, but doesn't want to upset the Indians, Japanese or the West too much. China obviously wants to keep everything mum. As much as the Chinese indigenous capabilities are advancing, there is still plenty to learn from the Russians.

come on, we chinese are not that dumb. we have been learning from the russians since 1990. i think any moron shouldnhave learned everything already. with economy 4 times bigger than russia and r and d investment also several times, unless we are just stupidder than russiana, we should have surpassed them. it is not like 5he russians were that advanced to start with.
 
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Israel is actually good in semiconductors? I only know they have a top pureplay foundry but not much in overall (including design). How come I've never even heard of an example of any Israeli chip for any processor application? Is there a phone, TV, computer, etc. that uses an Israeli chip? I've only heard of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, US and European chips for these applications. Intel plants in Israel don't count.
Why not? But I guess keyword search for 'israel semiconductor industry' is too difficult to perform? Does not need to have a processor in order to be considered top tier in semicon.
 
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It is so funny that:

mere indians, russian fanboys, and japanesesesesesesee ALL achieved ultra high orgasm just 5 days ago, when the fake news came out.

lol, now they are all having group depression, hahaha.

Imagine how many indians on the streets of india are taking anti-depression drugs now.
 
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Why not? But I guess keyword search for 'israel semiconductor industry' is too difficult to perform? Does not need to have a processor in order to be considered top tier in semicon.

WTF, when Vietnamese and Vladivostokis receive the right to talk down on Chinese? Viets are discriminated in America and "Russians" born in Asian Russia are lesser beings compared to those in Moscow.

You guys are comparable to Indians. Pathetic.
 
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Don't confuse Demographics with industrial scale and capability. Tiny Israel is in the top 10 nations in absolute dollar terms from their semi-conductor design and manufacturing industry. So their military has a huge civilian electronics ecosystem to tap into.



Right, so Israel is a top 10 country in semiconductor revenue? And the source for that is? By your logic leading semiconductor countries such as South Korea and Japan should be able to produce world class military technologies but they do not, at best they produce good systems but fall behind due to their weak military industrial complexes. In other words both countries have the technology to built radars but limited knowledge in how to do so when compared to other companies that specialize in the field radar development.



China has such an ecosystem as well, but Russia does not at this point. So while larger populations generally means greater industrial capability, Israel is an exception to the rule.

By ecosystem do you mean producing electronics for children’s toys? It’s also no secret that China’s leads the world in IT theft, much of what comes out of the Chinese semiconductor industries is ripped off or blatantly stolen from other companies.




Every country's corporations is in every other country's business. My point is that to actually use COTS(technologies, industrial processes, and skilled personnel) effectively, you need a large and agile civilian industrial supply chain that military development companies can tap into. What if you needed to modify that COTS processor from France? Maybe you need to amp up the cycle time, make it more tolerant of temperature extremes...etc? Commercial Sub-contractors that can modify their technologies to suit specific needs quickly and cost effectively is not in short supply in China.


You make too many assumption. Russia has both civil and state owned companies that specialize in electronics. Russia even has highest college graduation rates in the world if that makes you sleep better.

Russia has integrated foreign systems into the SU-30MKM and even into the International Space Station, don’t be naive to think Russia does not has the capacity to integrate or modify systems. It’s also interesting that you speak of ‘taping into’ civilian industrial suppliers. I already knew that you were oblivious to the fact that the top semiconductor industries in the world have sold technology to Russia that it than incorporated into military use. There are a number of US based companies that provide electronics even semiconductor giants such as Toshiba has provided technology for quieter submarines.

The big shocker is that Russia has technologies from the EF-2000 as well as Rafale, and no your eyes do not deceive you, that is not a typo. Russian Migs have the Virgilius internal AESA based ECM suit that is equipped on EF-2000’s and Sukhoi license produces the Thales Damocles targeting pod which is found on the Rafale. China wouldn’t be able to touch those technologies with a 20 foot pole due to China’s poor reputation in violating intellectual property.

It does not stop there, even Israel is willing to sell technology such as UAV’s to Russia while Israel cancelled the program to modernize low end UAV’s for China. Most companies will have nothing to do with China, while on the other hand are willing to work with Russia, so at the end of the day it is Russia that is ‘taping into’ advanced technologies both civil and military, both foreign and domestic.

But in Russia, while they can get examples of COTS technology from other countries, re-factoring such technology to be militarily effective is much more difficult. Instead of leveraging a large commercial industrial infrastructure and personnel, Russia would need to create in-house single-purpose applications of any particular COTS implementation(along with growing the human resources to match). And this process is going to be necessarily slower and more costly. Scaling out the production of such a modified implementation is even more difficult since you can't be dependent on the manufacturing infrastructure of another country and still maintain independent production capability of such a weapons system.

Again you have a bad habit of making assumptions, you have zero proof that Russia would need create an ‘in house’ team to accomplish COTS. Russia has countless private as well as state owned companies that specialize in everything from civil products, to military applications, many of these companies have thousands of employees working for them, thus modifying or improving products would not be a difficult task. This is an advanced industrialized country not Zimbabwe.
 
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come on, we chinese are not that dumb. we have been learning from the russians since 1990. i think any moron shouldnhave learned everything already. with economy 4 times bigger than russia and r and d investment also several times, unless we are just stupidder than russiana, we should have surpassed them. it is not like 5he russians were that advanced to start with.

By that token you should be miles ahead of Israel and have the ability to make an engine with half decent MTBO's. But last i checked little Israel developed AESA technology long before China ever did. Chinese engines also have poor MTBO's compared to modern Russian ones and i still fail to see any TVC capability dispite the years of talk.
 
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By that token you should be miles ahead of Israel and have the ability to make an engine with half decent MTBO's. But last i checked little Israel developed AESA technology long before China ever did. Chinese engines also have poor MTBO's compared to modern Russian ones and i still fail to see any TVC capability dispite the years of talk.

and now we're the 2nd nation to deploy AWACs with AESA radar. even US's E-3 is a mechanically steered radar.

Huawei leads the world in optical communications and chip design; the fastest smartphone in the world (by Huawei) uses an in-house quad core Huawei chip instead of buying them the way everyone else, including Apple, does.

Huawei Claims World's Fastest Phone At MWC 2012 | TechTree.com

while this is just a consumer good, it shows that China has what it takes to be a top tier player in electronics. Huawei is not the only company in China capable of doing this; we also have ZTE. And if we have 2 civilian companies that can do it, what about our public sector, which is 40 years older than these civilian companies?

thrust vectoring is a nice trick but the added cost and weight is not worth it when you can have similar maneuverability at lower cost with a superior aerodynamic design.
 
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WTF, when Vietnamese and Vladivostokis receive the right to talk down on Chinese? Viets are discriminated in America and "Russians" born in Asian Russia are lesser beings compared to those in Moscow.

You guys are comparable to Indians. Pathetic.

You mad bro? :lol:
 
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Right, so Israel is a top 10 country in semiconductor revenue? And the source for that is? By your logic leading semiconductor countries such as South Korea and Japan should be able to produce world class military technologies but they do not, at best they produce good systems but fall behind due to their weak military industrial complexes. In other words both countries have the technology to built radars but limited knowledge in how to do so when compared to other companies that specialize in the field radar development.

J/APG-1 made by NEC was the first AESA radar to go into service on a fighter 20 years ago. J/APG-2 is comparable to APG-79.

By ecosystem do you mean producing electronics for children’s toys? It’s also no secret that China’s leads the world in IT theft, much of what comes out of the Chinese semiconductor industries is ripped off or blatantly stolen from other companies.

ZTE Ranked No.1 and huawei No.3 in WIPO (Global Patent Application). each has very large contribution in next-gen telecom standards.lolz
multile chinese fabless producing communication and application processcors competing with TI, qualcom..ect

*ttp://www.szcpost.com/2012/03/zte-ranked-no-1-of-global-patent-application.html

You make too many assumption. Russia has both civil and state owned companies that specialize in electronics. Russia even has highest college graduation rates in the world if that makes you sleep better.

Russia has integrated foreign systems into the SU-30MKM and even into the International Space Station, don’t be naive to think Russia does not has the capacity to integrate or modify systems. It’s also interesting that you speak of ‘taping into’ civilian industrial suppliers. I already knew that you were oblivious to the fact that the top semiconductor industries in the world have sold technology to Russia that it than incorporated into military use. There are a number of US based companies that provide electronics even semiconductor giants such as Toshiba has provided technology for quieter submarines.

The big shocker is that Russia has technologies from the EF-2000 as well as Rafale, and no your eyes do not deceive you, that is not a typo. Russian Migs have the Virgilius internal AESA based ECM suit that is equipped on EF-2000’s and Sukhoi license produces the Thales Damocles targeting pod which is found on the Rafale. China wouldn’t be able to touch those technologies with a 20 foot pole due to China’s poor reputation in violating intellectual property.

It does not stop there, even Israel is willing to sell technology such as UAV’s to Russia while Israel cancelled the program to modernize low end UAV’s for China. Most companies will have nothing to do with China, while on the other hand are willing to work with Russia, so at the end of the day it is Russia that is ‘taping into’ advanced technologies both civil and military, both foreign and domestic.

russia doesn't have advance electronics need to import from other countries. why telling us what we already know?:lol:
 
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J/APG-1 made by NEC was the first AESA radar to go into service on a fighter 20 years ago. J/APG-2 is comparable to APG-79.

Yes they did except it was not very good and it was Japanese. And just because Aviation Week says that there is a ‘hint’ that the radar may be comparable to the APG-79 does not mean it is.







russia doesn't have advance electronics need to import from other countries. why telling us what we already know?:lol:


A Chinese guy mocking Russia on importing, that is rich. I bet you were clueless that even the United States imports some weapons/systems from abroad. The point is Russia has access to technology that China can only dream of. Don’t expect to even touch let alone sniff the Typhoon’s Virgilus ECM suit or the Thales targeting pod . And yes China still imports from Russia, so the joke is on you.
 
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we know that russians are ahead of chinese even todaqy despite 20 years of transfer of technology..
but what about the next 5-10 years..china is spending 4 times more on we pons , research and copying than Hussain are..its only logical that in next few years china wouldnt need russia..we are already seeing the signs of this, whether we like to believe it or not..
in next 5-10 years china will be competing with USA in race of technology far ahead from any country

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we know that russians are ahead of chinese even todaqy despite 20 years of transfer of technology..
but what about the next 5-10 years..china is spending 4 times more on we pons , research and copying than Hussain are..its only logical that in next few years china wouldnt need russia..we are already seeing the signs of this, whether we like to believe it or not..
in next 5-10 years china will be competing with USA in race of technology far ahead from any country
 
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Yes they did except it was not very good and it was Japanese. And just because Aviation Week says that there is a ‘hint’ that the radar may be comparable to the APG-79 does not mean it is.










A Chinese guy mocking Russia on importing, that is rich. I bet you were clueless that even the United States imports some weapons/systems from abroad. The point is Russia has access to technology that China can only dream of. Don’t expect to even touch let alone sniff the Typhoon’s Virgilus ECM suit or the Thales targeting pod . And yes China still imports from Russia, so the joke is on you.
maybe 90% of the so called 'imports from russian' are as fake as those BS russian news like 48 Su-35, rest cable or Su-33 etc, simple fact, China leads russia in most scientific fields now, you either eat it or try to disput with statistics from WB, WIPO or PCT....I wont even be surprised nowadays russia buys lots heavy equipments from China for their factories and data companis, because UK does buying a lot created in China high tech equipments from China now....
so you can laugh at us 'copying' you decade ago, but now only very narrowed area in defence industry only that you can laugh but again it will be over soon
 
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A Chinese guy mocking Russia on importing, that is rich. I bet you were clueless that even the United States imports some weapons/systems from abroad. The point is Russia has access to technology that China can only dream of. Don’t expect to even touch let alone sniff the Typhoon’s Virgilus ECM suit or the Thales targeting pod . And yes China still imports from Russia, so the joke is on you.

China has r&d capability to develop so called Typhoon's virgilus ECM suit; someday Russia may buy it from china.
 
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