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[grey boy 2]

Introduction/induction of Su-35 and S-400 in serious doubt

PLAAF test pilots are said to be unhappy with the performances of Su-35 and as a result the PLAAF has opted for accelerated deployment of J-16.

Ditto S-400 (with HQ-9B achieving effective range of 300km and HQ-19 performances far exceeding expectations).

Great news, it proved our own weapon systems can be as effective if not better than foreign ones
And i believed we should not providing anymore information to those anti-Chinese fishermen
You just can't keep posting China bashing bs and at the same time expecting information in return

 

[conworldus]

Good. I always thought the Su-35 was all hype. Russia doesn't have much to sell to China anymore and this confirms it. Russian equipment has always failed against western ones in real combat, and of course blames were always shifted to the users. To counter the threat from the US, China must rely on indigenous development not Russia.

 

[rcrmj]

Thanks for the update, but isn't the HQ-9B still under development (where did you get the 300 km figure from)? And also, isn't the HQ-19 a THAAD counterpart rather than a SAM type missile?

But interesting.

HHQ-9B are already on 52D, its a beast if not the best in the world````back in 2013, 052C with 346 AESA radar and HHQ-9 has successfully intercepted 5 supersonic missiles (at speed of 3M) simultaneously ! now you can imagine what 052D with HHQ-9B can do``!

 

[帅的一匹]

I think 24 Su35 is the last batch of fighter jets we will buy from Russia.

 

[Akasa]

HHQ-9B are already on 52D, its a beast if not the best in the world````back in 2013, 052C with 346 AESA radar and HHQ-9 has successfully intercepted 5 supersonic missiles (at speed of 3M) simultaneously ! now you can imagine what 052D with HHQ-9B can do``!

Is there evidence that the missiles aboard the 052D are the HQ-9B variant rather than an older iteration? Also, I'd imagine that both the Russian and US navies have deployed the S-400 and SM6, respectively, both of which outstrip the HHQ-9 significantly in terms of range, speed, and engagement capabilities.

 

[rcrmj]

Su-35 is a good plane, but not a superb plane as Russia claimed. buying it will always be helpful to SAC's projects on flanker's variants.

For past few years, the biggest headache for SAC is the structural design, ruggedness and resilience of J-11B/D, J-16 and so on````at end the day, no matter how competent SAC is, Russia is still the birth place of Flanker families```they know it inside out, and have the wit and capability to make it better and better ! this is much worth learning than buying few planes````

 

[Beast]

Introduction/induction of Su-35 and S-400 in serious doubt

PLAAF test pilots are said to be unhappy with the performances of Su-35 and as a result the PLAAF has opted for accelerated deployment of J-16.

Ditto S-400 (with HQ-9B achieving effective range of 300km and HQ-19 performances far exceeding expectations).

Doesn't matter they are happy or not. Those su-35 are not for PLAAF in the first place. Eventually, China will buy Su-35 and station them at Gwadar port on behalf of PAF. PLAN already indicated a joint naval patrol of gwadar port with PN will be underway. With navy, surely there will be airforce or naval aviation Joint defense too.

China abide the rules of not exporting any of their domestic made flanker series for the alliance with Russia. If PAF wants flanker , they need to buy from Russia. Exporting J-16 is out of question. Flanker is the type of plane PAF needed. Multi role, long range and deep strike.

Su-35 is a good plane, but not a superb plane as Russia claimed. buying it will always be helpful to SAC's projects on flanker's variants.

For past few years, the biggest headache for SAC is the structural design, ruggedness and resilience of J-11B/D, J-16 and so on````at end the day, no matter how competent SAC is, Russia is still the birth place of Flanker families```they know it inside out, and have the wit and capability to make it better and better ! this is much worth learning than buying few planes````

China has already surpass all the know how of flanker. I never believe PLAAF buys Su-35 is to study them.

 

[rcrmj]

Is there evidence that the missiles aboard the 052D are the HQ-9B variant rather than an older iteration? Also, I'd imagine that both the Russian and US navies have deployed the S-400 and SM6, respectively, both of which outstrip the HHQ-9 significantly in terms of range, speed, and engagement capabilities.

no physical proves yet, but 'we' know it ``` you cannot just compare missiles' range and speed to determine its combat effectiveness```its a system, missile is just one part of it! besides they are all in a same category which is long range air defense missile, so it is amateur to say one is better than the other.

missile itself is not a crown piece of science and technology, but the holistic system is. As any country has an advanced industrial capability can make a missile that can fly that long/high/speed, but to make it accurate, efficient and resilient is whole lot different story!

China has already surpass all the know how of flanker. I never believe PLAAF buys Su-35 is to study them.

but those people who are working on flankers from SAC think differ```a plane is not about mounting on arse-kicking radars or weapons```if the structure is weak or flawed, even you have all the best kits on it, it still boils down to nothing

 

[Akasa]

no physical proves yet, but 'we' know it ``` you cannot just compare missiles' range and speed to determine its combat effectiveness```its a system, missile is just one part of it! besides they are all in a same category which is long range air defense missile, so it is amateur to say one is better than the other.

missile itself is not a crown piece of science and technology, but the holistic system is. As any country has an advanced industrial capability can make a missile that can fly that long/high/speed, but to make it accurate, efficient and resilient is whole lot different story!


but those people who are working on flankers from SAC think differ```a plane is not about mounting on arse-kicking radars or weapons```if the structure is weak or flawed, even you have all the best kits on it, it still boils down to nothing

My skepticism lies in the complete lack of information we have of the HQ-9B. There is no indication that such a missile is close to entering service, much less of it possessing a 300 km range.

 

[帅的一匹]

The main purpose of buying Su35 is to know where exactly we stand.

 

[rcrmj]

My skepticism lies in the complete lack of information we have of the HQ-9B. There is no indication that such a missile is close to entering service, much less of it possessing a 300 km range.

you have the right to be skeptical, as there is indeed no solid infos regarding any of China's latest weapon systems, not even any clarity for mass equipped systems like 346, HQ-16A, HHQ-9A, J-10A and etc````and this is how it works in China, but it also applies to U.S and Russia too````those 'obvious' stats are only for public consumption, but army and real professionals they dont have much fuss on them

as i stated earlier, any country with an advanced industrial capability can easily make a missile that can fly/glide for 300KM``even India can do it, so there is no point for you to stuck on this range thing

[back in 2013, 052C with 346 AESA radar and HHQ-9 has successfully intercepted 5 supersonic missiles (at speed of 3M) simultaneously ! ]--- this is a real deal that I can tell you, and its back in 2013!

 

[帅的一匹]

With J20 at hands, nothing is worth buying except F22 raptors. Stay calm for WS15.

 

[conworldus]

With J20 at hands, nothing is worth buying except F22 raptors. Stay calm for WS15.

Even the F-22 would need upgrade to match the J-20 in avionics and range, although the frame may be stealthier. The Su-35 would be swatted like flies against 5th gen jets and it is simply not worth the price tag.

 

[grey boy 2]

Latest development: 4 SU-35 will be deliver to China before 12-25-2016 (Christmas present)

 

[JSCh]

Russia to provide first batch of Sukhoi-35 jets to China by mid December — source
December 14, 14:30 UTC+3
Originally the deliveries were to begin as of next year, but eventually a decision was made to speed up the process

MOSCOW, December 14. /TASS/. Russia will provide to China the first batch of four Sukhoi-35 jets by December 25, 2016, a source within the system of military-technical cooperation with other countries told TASS."The first four Sukhoi-35 are to fly over to China by December 25," the source said.

Originally the deliveries were to begin as of next year, but eventually a decision was made to speed up the process and to provide the first batch in the last days of the outgoing year.

In November, the deputy chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation, Vladimir Drozhzhov, told TASS that Russia had started acting on the first phase of its contractual liabilities to China to provide the Sukhoi-35 jets.

Russia and China in November 2015 concluded a contract for 24 Sukhoi-35 fighters. Under the $2 billion deal Russia is also to provide ground equipment and spare engines.

As a source within the military-technical cooperation system told TASS earlier, the contract will be effected in three years’ time.

The governor of the Khabarovsk Territory, where the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft building plant (manufacturer of Sukhoi-35 planes) is located, earlier said the first four planes will be provided to China by the end of this year. A short while later, though, the head of Rostec corporation, Sergey Chemezov, said that no Sukhoi-35 planes will be delivered to China in 2016.

The Sukhoi-35 is Russia’s multirole highly maneuverable fighter (generation 4++) with a phased array antenna radar and thrust vectoring engines. It can develop a maximum speed of 2,500 kilometers per hour and fly 3,400 kilometers without refueling. The combat range is 1,600 kilometers. The fighter is armed with a 30-mm gun and has twelve bomb and rocket suspension units.


TASS: Military & Defense - Russia to provide first batch of Sukhoi-35 jets to China by mid December — source