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US science chief warns: 'China will eat our lunch'

Soviet Sputnik satellite launch in 1957 threatened American pre-eminence. Now Beijing poses a similar danger, says Obama adviser

By Steve Connor, Science Editor, in Washington

Sunday, 20 February 2011

China is in pole position to overtake the United States as the premier nation for scientific and technological innovation, and will do so if Americans fail to raise their game, President Barrack Obama's own science adviser has told The Independent on Sunday.

John Holdren, the director of the White House office of science and technology policy, explained that the US faces a similar technological challenge to the one it faced half a century ago when the USSR launched the world's first satellite – to the surprise of the Americans.

He warned that the United States faces another "Sputnik moment", but this time the adversary is China, which is investing heavily in scientific research and development. Chinese schoolchildren are now consistently outperforming USpupils in science and mathematics.

"Everybody is looking at China and saying, if we don't lift our game, China is going to eat our lunch economically because the amount they are investing in science, technology and innovation, while it has not yet reached anything like our level, is rising very quickly," Dr Holdren said.

President Obama said in his State of the Union address last month that Americans today face their own "Sputnik moment" and that the US needs to reach a level of research and development that the country has not seen since the height of the space race five decades ago.

Dr Holdren, who trained in aeronautics and plasma physics and is a professor of environmental policy, explained what President Obama meant by his reference to the Sputnik satellite: "When the Russians put the first artificial satellite into orbit [in 1957], and we were able to look out at the night sky and see that glimmer of light as it passed overhead, it really had a profound effect on the people of this country and its policymakers," he said.

"We always thought of the United States as being the first in science and technology, and suddenly we were beaten into space by the Russians, who at that time were our adversaries. What it led to was an enormous effort to catch up, and it led to the space programme as we know it, including the moon mission and the moon landings."

"It led to enormous numbers of young people interested in and inspired about science, maths, and engineering. I'm in that cohort, somebody who was a kid at that time and who became even more excited about science and technology than I'd been before – by this event and by the challenge of catching up and doing exciting things. So when the President talks about the 'Sputnik moment', what he's saying is that we are at some kind of turning point. He's saying essentially it's a wake-up moment. It's time to realise we have to get going.

"Part of that Sputnik moment is the test scores of our kids on the international science and maths tests where the US typically ranks between 17 and 25. Part of our Sputnik moment is realising how hard we need to work to lift our game in science, technology, engineering and maths education."

Dr Holdren, who was a guest speaker at the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington this week, said that China is doing "extraordinary things" in terms of science and innovation. The Chinese are investing in major university research facilities, such as huge experimental wind tunnels to test advanced passenger trains.

"So people are looking in there and saying 'you know, it's not automatic that the US will be number one in science, technology and innovation'. This is something that has to be cultivated, it has to be invested in, and the President has been very clear that he wants to see us having innovation, education and out-build the competition," Dr Holdren said.

"He does not want to preside over the US sliding into an inferior position. It ends up compromising our economy, compromising our balance of payments and ultimately compromising our security."

US science chief warns: 'China will eat our lunch' - Science, News - The Independent

Why are they afraid of China's prominence in science? It's not a threat, yet the first thing that pops into these people's minds is that this is somehow going to threaten US national security.
 
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Why are they afraid of China's prominence in science? It's not a threat, yet the first thing that pops into these people's minds is that this is somehow going to threaten US national security.
they're asking for more money from the government.:coffee:

come on, they do this every time they want money, you should understand already.
 
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Why are they afraid of China's prominence in science? It's not a threat, yet the first thing that pops into these people's minds is that this is somehow going to threaten US national security.

I think it is easier just to import the top students/professors from China, India, Russia, Pakistan, etc. In a couple of years we are going to have a National Society for White Engineers at our school.
 
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Of course this is ridiculous. How could China be at the top in science? Would they be copying themselves? You can't be #1 if what you do is copy other people. Wait, maybe I'm wrong! If you copy five other people, then maybe it will LOOK LIKE you are #1! That's the ticket!!
 
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This is a joke, right? And that "Chinese Glass so STRONG!!!!!!!" was hilarious. You guys ARE joking, right?

NIH budget is actually stagnating and in terms of purchasing power, it is equivalent to what it was in 2000. RO1s are hard to come by. So Mr. President, please increase the budget and spare us such incredibly stupid reporting from "the Media".

Read more:
Budget 2012: NIH and CDC

What was that quote from the Penn State prof? "China going to be No.1 in IPR"? IPR! Yeah right!
 
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Typical curry sour grapes:coffee:

Of course this is ridiculous. How could China be at the top in science? Would they be copying themselves? You can't be #1 if what you do is copy other people. Wait, maybe I'm wrong! If you copy five other people, then maybe it will LOOK LIKE you are #1! That's the ticket!!

More racism from the supremely yellow Mr. siegecrossbow!

And much more racism from our (DN): go figure(DH):lol:
 
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This is a joke, right? And that "Chinese Glass so STRONG!!!!!!!" was hilarious. You guys ARE joking, right?

NIH budget is actually stagnating and in terms of purchasing power, it is equivalent to what it was in 2000. RO1s are hard to come by. So Mr. President, please increase the budget and spare us such incredibly stupid reporting from "the Media".

Read more:
Budget 2012: NIH and CDC

What was that quote from the Penn State prof? "China going to be No.1 in IPR"? IPR! Yeah right!

i have smells someone is jeoleus!
 
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they're asking for more money from the government.:coffee:

come on, they do this every time they want money, you should understand already.

The government knows best. So even if they spend their time on emphasizing the so-called "China threat", it's unlikely to get them anywhere besides planting resentment among Chinese scientists in the US.
 
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Of course this is ridiculous. How could China be at the top in science? Would they be copying themselves? You can't be #1 if what you do is copy other people. Wait, maybe I'm wrong! If you copy five other people, then maybe it will LOOK LIKE you are #1! That's the ticket!!

That's right, TruthSeeker! We copied our Tianhe-1A from your Roadrunner! Thanks to you, we now hold a gold medal that we too copied from you!

We also copied our bullet trains from your New York subways! And even though we are exporting it to you, it is still a copy because copyright experts like you say so!

Oh, and don't forget. We do feel a lot safer now ever since we made a photocopy of your F-117 design and built the J-20 from it!

And do you know why we can do such things? Because our scientists are copies of your Harvard students!

In fact, we should copy Christianity as well and bow down to you guys for your technology!

:usflag::usflag::usflag::usflag::usflag::usflag::usflag::usflag:
 
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Why are they afraid of China's prominence in science? It's not a threat, yet the first thing that pops into these people's minds is that this is somehow going to threaten US national security.

If I am scientist or lobby group related to research, I should project a "significance", "urgency", and "apocalyptic vision of failing to fund me". USA is heads and shoulders ahead of China in terms of scientific and engineering research simply by the fact they have facilities and attract the brightest from all over the world.

Scientists are not show boaters but I would like to see the Chinese break throughs of last decade and then compare with US.

FYI, there are two rovers on mars and Google & Carngie Mellon have driver-less cars roaming around. Please update me, if you have any thing more awesome or jawdropping.
 
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