Chief of Army Staff (COAS) was invited by Saudi Crown Prince

[Indus Pakistan]

Well your Poland-Sweden example is not valid since both countries are part of Eu and both have to follow the same set of rules after signing up as EU members so it is not good or bad of Sweden to grant all privileges to Poland,

You missed my point. What I mean't was Pakistan, KSA, GCC need to have similiar overarching legal treaty that confers obligations and similiar rights.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pakistan has no 2 policies we have one policy that Imran Khan gave. We are going to move forward relations with both Iran and Saudis. They don't like it, it is their problem not ours. COAS visited Iran and he visited Saudis Pakistani foreign policy is not sectarian. It is for mutual benefits.

Yes!! It's their problem!!! Countries like Turkey and Pak are the central powers in the Muslim world - last one thousand years of history corroborates that!!!! Hence, they don't have the luxury to choose one over the other!!! In this era of the globalized instant communications, you need to build the rapport based on compelling stories with the masses in all the Muslim countries!! In that respect Imran Bey has a "story" to tell....

**Modern era successful international statesmen (e.g., Clinton, Obama, Erdo'an etc.) are good communicators which surpasses the boundaries of countries.

 

[SQ8]

You got a point here. You know I am not against Arabs. All I want is Pakistan to have institutional relationships. I mean state to state legal treaties. Rather than buying few of our elite and then doling a billion dollars here and a oil subsidy there. That might be fine for Raheel, Nawaz and few more who get dined when they visit these countries but it is no good for you, me and millions of ordinary Pakistani's.

Look Sweden is member of EU. It is a rich country. Ditto Germany, France. Poland is poor by comparsion. The Swedish government does not go and buy out the Polish chief of staff or give Polish PM a villa as a refuge in Stockholm and ask Polish Army services whenever it chooses to. And doles out a billion dollars now and then to keep Poland acting like servile dog at it's beck and call when needed.

But then when it needs labour it invites millions of Indians to Sweden resulting in India earning $10s of billions in remittances which keep on pouring in year after year. And then when Poland complains the Swedes say the Indian workers are cheaper and better. No.

Instead non of this "brother" garbage. Sweden by legal treaty as EU member allows all the privilages to Poland. Which means as matter of right $ billions as grants, open access to Polish migrants to Sweden as matter of legal right. Meantime Indian workers can be 10 times cheaper, 10 times harder workers but they don't get that privilage. Only Poles get that legal right.

This is what I would want for Pakistan with KSA/GCC. If this legal treaty giving Pakistan milirary/economic rights was in place then yes if half of Pakistan Army was deployed in GCC/KSA that would fine.

That being said, plenty of UK,US and European personnel serving as advisors or in the militaries of different countries after retirement.
Many serve as employees for civilian firms and lobby on their behalf. So it isn’t just a relationship matrix confined to Pakistan or Saudi’s

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That being said, plenty of UK,US and European personnel serving as advisors or in the militaries of different countries after retirement.

That is very true Oscar but and this is the critical point. UK, US or France gouge $10s of billions out of KSA/GCC. I am sure you know about the juicy defence contracts. We recently heard of KSA giving $100 billion defence contract to Trump. I think giving Pakistan such huge figure I might not complain. In addition you know how Arabs treat American or British when they land in those countries. Therefore there is a qualitative differance in relationship.

 

[SQ8]

That is very true Oscar but and this is the critical point. UK, US or France gouge $10s of billions out of KSA/GCC. I am sure you know about the juicy defence contracts. We recently heard of KSA giving $100 billion defence contract to Trump. I think giving Pakistan such huge figure I might not complain. In addition you know how Arabs treat American or British when they land in those countries. Therefore there is a qualitative differance in relationship.

But do we know what the military does with money it gets?
When was the last time a civilian actually looked at their accounts?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

But do we know what the military does with money it gets?

It's speculation but if it is recieving money then this is tantamount to KSA corrupting the Pakistani state by buying off one arm of government.

 

[SQ8]

It's speculation but if it is recieving money then this is tantamount to KSA corrupting the Pakistani state by buying off one arm of government.

To repeat an oft used phrase... That detective, is the right question.

Its not about receiving money, but rather what happens to CSF, UN deployment payments and other funds that come in?
Where do they go?
Who is monitoring and auditing it? Does the defense ministry have records(with them or available) down to the penny?

If such records are available, then technically(and not ethically) we would be ok to outsource ourselves as mercenaries as many nations do.

 

[MastanKhan]

That is very true Oscar but and this is the critical point. UK, US or France gouge $10s of billions out of KSA/GCC. I am sure you know about the juicy defence contracts. We recently heard of KSA giving $100 billion defence contract to Trump. I think giving Pakistan such huge figure I might not complain. In addition you know how Arabs treat American or British when they land in those countries. Therefore there is a qualitative differance in relationship.

Hi,

That qualitative difference is Pakistan's fault and not that of the arabs---.

Pakistan and pakistanis failed miserably when they were just recently given the chance---.

When a general says that he could not comprehend what was at stake---then that is a terrible state of affairs---.

Wars have changed the fortunes of nations---it was either the promise of Loot & plunder aka ' maal a ghanimat ' in the past---or in the current altercations a higher pay / salary / bonus etc---.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistanis and their conspiracy theories

He's right actually. We have a precedent.

 

[django]

Your like that fly that keeps buzzing around your face and ears. You want to slap it but it won't stop. Finally it stops on your sofa. Now you want to slap the freakin thing but you don't bother because it will leave behind a shitstain on your fancy sofa. So you ignore the darned thing and dismiss as a useless irritant.

Sidd does tend to have that effect on folk.Kudos bro

 

[mr.robot]

That is very true Oscar but and this is the critical point. UK, US or France gouge $10s of billions out of KSA/GCC. I am sure you know about the juicy defence contracts. We recently heard of KSA giving $100 billion defence contract to Trump. I think giving Pakistan such huge figure I might not complain. In addition you know how Arabs treat American or British when they land in those countries. Therefore there is a qualitative differance in relationship.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/gulf-cooperation-council-arms-race-sells-180412125953374.html

 

[mr.robot]

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Big question on our democracy . Why he visited and Met saudi king without permission & without taking confidence of goverment. We are democratic country, please don't bypass our government. This is request of nation.
Take government in confidence before you meet such high profile personalities .
I am not against Saudi arabia but He should go through proper channels

Less grooming, more related to regional politics. They'd go all lengths to secure Pakistan's position on Middle Eastern affairs.

Policies are made in Parliment .

Despite all the haters.

Imran-Pak Fauj nexus is doing wonders for Pakistan in the diplomatic/foreign relations department.

Way better than be-Nawaz be-Sharif.

Has he taken Imran khan or government in confidence before such meeting
Shah mehmood & Imran khan must be hitting themselves against wall if he didn't. But We have no issue if they have given go ahead after mutual understanding.