CHENGDU REPORTEDLY ACHIEVES MILESTONE IN JF-17 BLOCK-III DEVELOPMENT

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Bilal Khan (Quwa);

As the silhouette suggests, is block-III a twin engine fighter? The image shows 3 rare-end extrusions hinting towards double engine at the back. ? What are your thoughts?

I'd bet for the same core airframe - i.e single engine etc.

 

[graphican]

I'd bet for the same core airframe - i.e single engine etc.

Tail appears to be straight, as we have in JF-17 Block I/II instead of B. Do you agree? If this is the case, that would mean something interesting;

We know JF-17 Block III will equip a heavier AESA radar, yet we find a vertical tail is in use. JF-17B was said to need a slanted tail to compensate increase frontal-load (2nd Seat). Since Block-III is using old tail stabiliser yet it has a heavier radar, does that weight balance is provided by a heavier and a new engine? AESA radar would also need more power, so a newer, more powerful engine would make sense.

And a newer more powerful engine actually means, even a wider wing-span to carry even more fuel - and that changes the category of Block III from light weight aircraft to medium weight aircraft - that leads to more hard points, longer ranges and increases loitering time to challenge Su-30s and Rafael - and I suspect speed would also increase - possibly to Mac 1.8?

What are your thoughts ?

 

[xyxmt]

Very good development indeed .but everything done in cangdu what's contributions PAF making in developing block III? Any increase in loitering time and range as well as weapons load ?

All design parameters are jointly done by PAC and Changdu, PAF does not have a facility to test designs

 

[araz]

lets see when block III comes.

Sir jee.
This is not fair!!!! One liners from you are of no value to seekers of knowledge. Within the confines of public domain is enough evidence to form an opinion. The question is how does a professional opine about the capabilities.
So please an analysis would be appreciated.
Regards
A

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Sir jee.
This is not fair!!!! One liners from you are of no value to seekers of knowledge. Within the confines of public domain is enough evidence to form an opinion. The question is how does a professional opine about the capabilities.
So please an analysis would be appreciated.
Regards
A

Block III is a just a capability upgrade from block 2. I am old fashioned, i dont get excited about this stuff. A few new systems? a few new gadgets? I would get interested if they find a new engine for the bird, if they change the wing, etc. None of that is happening. For me, AESA or current radar is the same. It does the job. The big question is serviceability. PAF needs to ensure everything is integrated, and the Chinese hardware is now removed to something that is sustainable and will last them 20 years.

 

[Imran Khan]

In fact this bird will be real game changer

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

In fact this bird will be real game changer

Such one liners are laughable for me. How is it a game changer? Its only a capability upgrade.

 

[FuturePAF]

Tail appears to be straight, as we have in JF-17 Block I/II instead of B. Do you agree? If this is the case, that would mean something interesting;

We know JF-17 Block III will equip a heavier AESA radar, yet we find a vertical tail is in use. JF-17B was said to need a slanted tail to compensate increase frontal-load (2nd Seat). Since Block-III is using old tail stabiliser yet it has a heavier radar, does that weight balance is provided by a heavier and a new engine? AESA radar would also need more power, so a newer, more powerful engine would make sense.

And a newer more powerful engine actually means, even a wider wing-span to carry even more fuel - and that changes the category of Block III from light weight aircraft to medium weight aircraft - that leads to more hard points, longer ranges and increases loitering time to challenge Su-30s and Rafael - and I suspect speed would also increase - possibly to Mac 1.8?

What are your thoughts ?

Hanging munitions and pods from the wings will more than anything else increase RCS in a design with planform alignment stealth shaping. recessed weapons stations and integrated sensors should be a major focus of the design.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/3f67810...0978/tumblr_inline_o1da7gVZMn1t90ue7_1280.jpg

 

[Bratva]

Such one liners are laughable for me. How is it a game changer? Its only a capability upgrade.

Can PL-15 and PL-10 work with Block-2 without AESA and HMD/S?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

Ooooppppsssss

Ya game changers for paf in favour of india hahaha

Iaf got 2052 aesa radar ew suit rcs reduction paint helmet mounted display but dont claim it a game changer

Suppose if u guys got 2052 aesa radar on jf 17 u would claim it su 30 killer best plane in this reason, respons for rafal extra extra

I am also happy with your jf 17 love
Please carry on this .
Compare yr air force with
oman Kuwait Qatar Egypt uAE what they are getting . In few yaers they can wash out your entire airforce in one day

Paf will not be in picture of top 30 airforce in 2020 with jf 17 block 1,2,3,4,5

And other have bought
Rafale
Eurofighter
F35
Su35
Mig35
Fa18
F15
Gripen-e
F16-v

Even china will not induct jf17 any block

You can pull your head back from your crevice from where no sun shines, and maybe you start making sense. Your country once had a 1/4 parity with us and you could not wash us down. We gave your AF a beating of a lifetime. Then, our boys with 1/8 odds in East Pakistan put up a fight which is of legendary status as per your own historians. Yes, JF17 is not a game changer from your perspective, your game sucks. But for Pakistan, with the number of obsolescent aircraft we are maintaining only to defend your unserviceable widow maker paper air force. IS THIS SUFFICIENT or do I give you a further dress down kid?

 

[Tempest II]

Reports from Chinese news sources indicate that Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) reached a major milestone in the development of the JF-17 Thunder Block-III – i.e. entering the “preliminary design stage.”

The Block-III is slated as the JF-17’s first major upgrade involving new electronic subsystems, including an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar, a new integrated electronic warfare (EW) system, three-axis fly-by-wire (FBW) digital flight control system and helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S).

According to Sina News, CAIG has successfully determined an optimal configuration for the Block-III’s new subsystems, ensuring that it provides markedly improved capabilities.

Reported changes include modifications to the airframe for an AESA radar – potentially Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology’s (NRIET) KLJ-7A – new transmit/receive modules (TRM) (related to the EW system) embedded in the airframe and change in “orientation of the cockpit ventilation pipe.”

CAIG is carrying out the work on a relatively compressed schedule, potentially aligning with the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) plan to have the Block-III enter production in 2019 or 2020.

Currently, the PAF intends to procure 50 Block-IIIs.

Notes & Comments:

Unless another fighter is procured, it seems that the JF-17 Block-III will be the first fighter platform in the PAF to use an AESA radar. In contrast to legacy mechanically-steered radars, AESA radars use hundreds of individual TRMs, each serving as a radar in its own transmit frequency. With many frequencies in use simultaneously with each pulse, it is more difficult for enemy EW systems to jam an AESA radar.

The cost of an AESA radar comes in its increased weight, which can be a result of increased cooling as well as power requirements. It is unclear how CAIG will compensate for this in the Block-III, but with the twin-seat JF-17B, CAIG supplanted the hybrid flight control system (which used mechanical controls for bank and yaw) with a three-axis digital FBW system. This might have reduced weight and helped with creating space for additional fuel (to compensate for the area lost used by the second seat).

Though speculative, a route for the Block-III could be to mirror the approach taken by Mikoyan with the MiG-29KUB, MiG-29M2 and MiG-35 by using the twin-seat JF-17B as the direct basis for the Block-III. The Block-III’s single-seat variant could use the same airframe as the JF-17B, but with the rear-seat replaced with an extension of the fuselage’s spine. This approach could help reduce development lead-time.
https://quwa.org/2018/01/01/chengdu-reportedly-achieves-milestone-in-jf-17-block-iii-development/

What is the "orientation of the cockpit ventilation pipe"?

Thanks

 

[Sully3]

Independence day celebration pic
Yr super jf17 always remains in sky not come on earth

See the truk
Hahaha do u hv this kind of truck ..

wow nice truck the truck has made india a military super power......

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

 

[princefaisal]

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Single WS-10X engine with J20 type canards and 1-2% scaled up frame can also do the job.

 

[Sully3]

if u have nothing to contribute then gtfo non of ur business u fking fagot shit hole

boss just keep reporting them to the mods