Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Deino]

...., @ChineseTiger1986 clearly stated that currently J-20 is using hybrid version WS-10X and WS-15

But that too can be questioned !

 

[Ultima Thule]

But that too can be questioned !

But this argument more probable than @Asok baseless argument that J-20 is using final version of WS-15

 

[Asoka]

Of course. Especially, performance details like Thrust. No need to help your opponents by being totally honest.

 

[Asoka]

"Neither CIA, Pentagon, and other Western Intelligence Agencies are fooled and the only ones who are fooled are the fanboys like You. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-20.htm

"In a speech delivered by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates (Economic Club of Chicago, 16 July 2009), he stated "by 2020, the United States is projected to have nearly 2,500 manned combat aircraft of all kinds. Of those, nearly 1,100 will be the most advanced fifth generation F-35s and F-22s. China, by contrast, is projected to have NO fifth generation aircraft by 2020. And by 2025, the gap only widens. The U.S. will have approximately 1,700 of the most advanced fifth generation fighters versus a handful of comparable aircraft for the Chinese..."

In 2009, General He Weirong, Deputy Commander of the PLAFF said J-20 will fly shortly and estimated that the J-20 would be operational in 2017-2019."

CIA or Pentagon were not fooled by China, hey? Then, they must have fooled themselves and canceled F-22 for some other reasons.

Isn't China, had J-20 by 2010, and is expect to be operational this year, 2017, as General He had predicted in 2009?

I guess expecting someone to pull his head out of the sand, and admit his was mistaken, is too much to ask for.

 

[Deino]

Come on ... since when is GlobalSecurity a relaible source even more if You quote a report from 2009 !!!

 

[Asoka]

http://aviationweek.com/awin/china-s-j-20-stealth-fighter-begins-taxi-tests

"Its timing, Chengdu’s development record and official statements cast doubt on U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s 2009 prediction (in support of his decision to stop production of the Lockheed Martin F-22) that China would not have an operational stealth aircraft before 2020."

Do keep your head in the sand. It probably feel better that way.

 

[Deino]

So a report from 2011 is better !?

 

[帅的一匹]

http://aviationweek.com/awin/china-s-j-20-stealth-fighter-begins-taxi-tests

"Its timing, Chengdu’s development record and official statements cast doubt on U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s 2009 prediction (in support of his decision to stop production of the Lockheed Martin F-22) that China would not have an operational stealth aircraft before 2020."

Do keep your head in the sand. It probably feel better that way.

It's Sun Tze Bing Fa.

 

[Asoka]

Both reported Robert Gates that Pentagon do not expect China to have a 5th Generational Fighter by 2020, and will have only a handful of them by 2025 whereas US will have 1,700 of them.

Clearly, back in 2009, Gates and the CIA think 187 fiercesome F-22 Raptors + 1500 F-35 flying pigs will be more than enough for the +500 J-20.

 

[jkroo]

Actually, they are our men including the collapse and threat guys who make a living for this.
So, take it easy.

 

[Asoka]

Actually, they are our men including the collapse and threat guys who make a living for this.
So, take it easy.

That's right, a fool in the enemy's camp, is better than a hundred allies, in the field.

What a big help are those guys in CIA and Pentagon.

They help 'shoot down' +600 Fiercesome Raptors, without us ever firing a shoot, by feeding their government B.S. "intelligences", they got from the various Chinese Internet Forums .

After this fiasco, they may have a better appreciation of, who is the real master of B.S., a.k.a, Deception.

Master Sun Tzu said: " The Art of Deception consists of: When you can, convince them, that you can't'; when you can not, mislead them, that you can."

 

[Deino]

@Asok ... please again calm down. I admit that this reports from 2009 & 2011 are plain wrong and as I can understand Your fun, but their fault does not make Your assumptions more likely.

By the way, here's something interesting:
A rare image posted by @OedoSoldier at Twitter shows both J-XX concepts at the China Aerospace Science & Technology-expo in 2000: The CAC concept - aka later J-20 - in grey and the SAC concept in black.

https://www.facebook.com/611223845748378/photos/pcb.663681000502662/663679797169449/?type=3

 

[j20blackdragon]

By the way, here's something interesting:
A rare image posted by @OedoSoldier at Twitter shows both J-XX concepts at the China Aerospace Science & Technology-expo in 2000: The CAC concept - aka later J-20 - in grey and the SAC concept in black.

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[Deino]

Interesting ! ... and this was the "famous" model of the mysterious JH-XX/JH-7B !?

 

[grey boy 2]