Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Tiqiu]

The Terraserver statellite images taken on the 16th Nov show two J-20 parked on the airfield of Dingxin, which were not seen before.The satellite images taken on the same date also showed a variety of aircrafts such as J-10B/C，J-16，JH-7A，J-8F，H-6，H-6U，KJ-200，KJ-2000 and Y-8 series were also there.

@Tiqiu

This thread has been not only closed but deleted. as such I cannot show it anymore.

If I am wrong in my accusation, I need to apologise - and I really do so - but these constant bashings from other certain members is IMO indeed open disrespect, racist and as such not tolerable.

Again, if I made a wrong accusation, I apologise.

Deino

let's move on mate. We all need to learn how to disagree until we can agree

 

[cirr]

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[Deino]

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So it begins as usually ! ... at first a few reports, then a part of an aircraft and then some blurred images - quite interesting revealing another serialled J-20A ... and then in a few days the final ones in all their beauty.

Deino

 

[j20blackdragon]

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The J-20 is now in service. But still no AL-31FN sale from Russia since 2011.

The J-10 has been in service for over a decade with over 430+ aircraft produced. But still no AL-31FN sale from Russia since 2011.

 

[Deino]

The J-20 is now in service. But still no AL-31FN sale from Russia since 2011.

The J-10 has been in service for over a decade with over 430+ aircraft produced. But still no AL-31FN sale from Russia since 2011.

There was a report on 100 additional AL-31 of unspecific sort during Zhuhai ... quite interesting, it was only mentioned briefly and kept very low. Concerning the AL-31FN for the J-10B/C, the number of aircraft fits quite nicely to the number of FN series 3 delivered. It will however be interesting to notice, what happens to batch 03 ... and concerning the engines for the J-20; I'm sure that these are covered - similar to once the very first FN-contract - under a separate , still secret deal. But that's just my opinion.

Deino

 

[The SC]

The first batch of J-20 stealth fighter is entering the service with PLAAF by the end of 2016.

* J-20 in service with PLAAF Dingxin Flight Test & Training Base
--Last Updated 12/9/2016

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.ca/p/gallery-i.html?m=1#J-20

 

[帅的一匹]

The J-20 is now in service. But still no AL-31FN sale from Russia since 2011.

The J-10 has been in service for over a decade with over 430+ aircraft produced. But still no AL-31FN sale from Russia since 2011.

Maybe the purchase is not disclosed to keep it low down. Without Russian production capacity, we can't build fighter in a monster speed.

I hope Putin will be president for the next 10 years.

 

[Asoka]

Maybe the purchase is not disclosed to keep it low down. Without Russian production capacity, we can't build fighter in a monster speed.

I hope Putin will be president for the next 10 years.

Those are replacement engines for Su-27, Su-30, J-11 and J-10. All newer models mof the J-16, J-15 and J-10B Made by China uses WS-10.

Early WS-10 did have problems and they got fixed now. There are no known reports that WS-10 engine caused any crash, but AL-31 is blamed at least 6 fatal crashes.

 

[Tiqiu]

The first batch of J-20 stealth fighter is entering the service with PLAAF by the end of 2016.

* J-20 in service with PLAAF Dingxin Flight Test & Training Base
--Last Updated 12/9/2016

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.ca/p/gallery-i.html?m=1#J-20

So those two J-20 were deployed to Dingxin base with registered serials not later than 12/9/2016.
It is one more evidence proving what Yinzhuo has said back in July 5 that J-20 had been deployed/registered into the PLAAF (post #5561). Now with these new images of J-20 serial numbers, we now know term he referred to "the seed troops" is the Brigade 176 if we assume the serials are genuine.

Then You should clearly say what You mean: Indeed, the base or the exercise is correct, but why do You then say the "seed unit" ?? This is clearly wrong, since the Flankers are from an operational Division; the 18th FD. Sometimes I really have that arrogant feeling, that I know the PLAAF, its units and structure much better than some Chinese members here, which usually post any random image to prove anything completely out of context, only since the image is nice.

According to news, at the second half of the year, the PlAAF conducts 金头盔( Golden Helmet) and 金飞镖
(Golden Dart) military competition at several FTTCs. The Golden Helmet is designated for the pilots flying the same type of fighter jet to compete with each other within a group. For instance J11A is in one group and J11B is a different group. Whereas the Golden Dart is the offense and assault competition between different types of fighter jet. There are dozens of aviation brigades and regiments from the air forces under the five PLA Theater Commands taking part in this annual event. So it was no surprised to see so many different types of military aircraft from different brigade on those Tarraserver satellite images

There were some sayings the scores of the J-20 vs a combination of other fighter jets and supporting aircraft exercise were 8:0 and 10:0, and it was still on going.

I think @SinoSoldier clear thing up PL-15 is comparable to late version of AMRAAM with a range of 180 to 200 Km but PL-XX was tested on J-16 last month, thread is already running on PDF, that is confusing you, you are mixing PL-15 with new Chinese new missile that had been tested on J-16, pardon me if i hurts you brother

It's OK bro.
I agree its a bit confusing.However, I still stick to what I said. If i have time I will translate it word to word for you and non-Chinese members. Mean times I hope other Chinese members can clear it out for you.

Those are replacement engines for Su-27, Su-30 and J-10

Also keep in mind that on average each fighter jet will have one new engine for replacement in its life span.

J-10B uses WS-10

It is not clear how may J-10B are still using AL-31 out of the total number of 108.(54 of batch1 and 54 of batch2)

 

[Deino]

Those are replacement engines for Su-27, Su-30, J-11 and J-10. All newer models mof the J-16, J-15 and J-10B Made by China uses WS-10.

Early WS-10 did have problems and they got fixed now. There are no known reports that WS-10 engine caused any crash, but AL-31 is blamed at least 6 fatal crashes.

Sorry, but that's off again: To compare a single engine type with a twin engine one is simply off.
That's difficult do conclude since so far only four J-10 were equipped with the WS-10 for test, so there's no comparison possible with the twin engined Flankers unsing the WS-10. If You want a decent comparison, You need to compare crashes of AL-31-equipped Flankers with WS-10-equipped Flankers and not AL-31-equipped J-10s with WS-10-equipped Flankers.

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It is not clear how may J-10B are still using AL-31 out of the total number of 108.(54 of batch1 and 54 of batch2)

We are perfectly aware of how many J-10B/C are using the AL-31: exactly all but the two final batch 01 aircraft (aka 1-54 & 1-55).


Deino

 

[randomradio]

We are perfectly aware of how many J-10B/C are using the AL-31: exactly all but the two final batch 01 aircraft (aka 1-54 & 1-55).

Deino

Do we know the latest numbers for J-10, J-11 etc?

 

[Deino]

The final J-10C spotted was 2-49 however already in September, the last J-11B I know was 6-18 but that already in 2014.

 

[randomradio]

The final J-10C spotted was 2-49 however already in September, the last J-11B I know was 6-18 but that already in 2014.

Sorry, I meant number of jets produced.

And does China manufacture in batches of 50?

 

[Deino]

Sorry, I meant number of jets produced.

And does China manufacture in batches of 50?

Sorry ... the size of a batch is very different. For example the early J-10A batches were smaller, the J-10B has a size of 55. Concerning the number of ac in a batch at SAC I don't know.

 

[hk299792458]

Do Indian boys want to know how the J-20 are built ? I will give you a hint...

Henri K.