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what I said is based on the observation that a friend of mine, a retired usaf colonel, made when the J20 was first revealed. I'm no expert so took what he said at face value which was that this bird is built to fly super high & super fast, go in, kill & get out without being found.

J-20 is made to perform roles of F-22 and F-35A having FLIR pod for designating ground targets and large main internal bays to carry air to ground missiles and guided bombs. You could use it for air to air an air to ground, it's multi-role fighter that could fly fast at high altitude or low altitude terrain masking if required.
 
F-35 is more intended to strike/CAS rather than a True air superiority jet Like F-22, China following a similar trends of USA make 2 stealth jets for different class and weights to perform different kinds of missions,
1- medium class and multirole (F-35)
2-Heavy class near purely air superiority Missions (F-22)

China combined F-22 and F-35 roles into 1 where J-20 could perform multi-role. Unlike F-35 that carries just 2x JDAMs & 2x AIM-120C7 or 4x JDAMs without air to air missiles at all, the J-20 could carry 4 heavy bombs or air to ground missiles while having 2x PL-10E in sidebays for self defense.

The FC-31 is made for export to close allies that will be attacked by country having advanced air force. Also the FC-31 will serve as testbed for developing new navalized stealth fighter for Type 003 that is likely totally new different aircraft.

F-35 is designed to be inferior without side bay meant for export to US allies and to make money. China is not taking this approach and intend to come up with real multi-role stealth fighter instead.
 
F-35 is designed to be inferior without side bay meant for export to US allies and to make money. China is not taking this approach and intend to come up with real multi-role stealth fighter instead.

USAF and USN going to deploy 1000 F-35 in near future. What are you talking about?
 
USAF and USN going to deploy 1000 F-35 in near future. What are you talking about?

That's why USAF & USN need twice or 3x more F-35 to complete the roles of few F-15E, F-16C or F/A-18E. F-22 and F-35 aren't multi-role fighters if they aren't going to carry external payloads. In past wars, US has been superior than the countries it attacked therefore US requirements for aircraft have gone from reliable multi-role to more attention to maintenance with reduction on multi-role capability as if they'll be fighting only weaker countries without air superiority.

This is why J-20 have larger internal bay to pass multi-role fighter requirements. The new blue arrow multi-purpose missiles (equivalent to AGM-65G) if being fitted on new type of racks designed for J-20 internal bay, it could carry 6-12 internally allowing it to destroy as many ground targets as the F/A-18E or if not at least somewhere close. F-22 and F-35 would rely on mini 250lb SDB with small warheads to take out 6 ground targets at are less armored without blast radius.
 

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Twin-seat variation & domestic engine-equipped version of J-20 make official appearances
By Liu XuanzunPublished: Jan 10, 2021 06:43 PM

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The twin-seat variation of the J-20 fighter jet, depicted by computer-generated imagery, is seen in a video released by AVIC celebrating the 10th anniversary of the aircraft's maiden flight in 2021. Photo: Screenshot from the AVIC video
A twin-seat variation of China's J-20 stealth fighter jet and a J-20 version equipped with a domestically made engine have been spotted for the first time in official videos recently released by its developer and the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force, only days before the 10th anniversary on Monday of the aircraft's maiden flight.

The twin-seat variation of the J-20 could be used for electronic warfare, command of wingman drones or bombing, and the domestic engine means the J-20 is no longer reliant on Russian engines, analysts said on Sunday.

Depicted by computer-generated imagery, four twin-seat J-20 variations were seen flying in formation in a video released by state-owned Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC), the developer of the aircraft, on Friday, in celebration of the 10th anniversary on Monday of the original aircraft's maiden flight.

This is the first time the twin-seat J-20 has been featured in an official promotional source, although media reports had speculated about its existence for years. It will also make the J-20 variation the world's first twin-seat stealth fighter jet, media reported.

By adding another seat to the cockpit, the aircraft could, in exchange for some level of stealth capability and maneuverability, carry a second pilot designated for more complicated tasks such as electronic warfare, command of wingman drones or tactical bombing, a Chinese military analyst told the Global Times on Sunday, requesting anonymity.

This means the twin-seat J-20 could spawn more variations that are equipped with devices corresponding to these tasks, the analyst predicted.

AVIC's video did not elaborate on the twin-seat J-20 or its designed functions.

In a separate video, released on Tuesday by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force for its pilot recruitment program, Chinese media outlets identified a J-20 that is equipped with domestically developed WS-10C engines instead of imported Russian engines.

This is also the first time the PLA Air Force has confirmed that a J-20 equipped with a domestically made engine has entered service, Passion News, a media outlet under k618.cn, a news portal run by the Communist Youth League of China Central Committee, reported on Friday.

Designed with stealth capability, the WS-10C engines provide more powerful thrust than the Russian engines previously used on the J-20, since the Chinese engines use full authority digital engine control technology and improved afterburners, the Passion News report said.

Domestic engines will not only let the J-20 become stronger, but also enable the mass production of the aircraft without the limitation of imported engines, analysts said, noting that the J-20 will eventually use the WS-15, an even more powerful domestically developed engine.
 


Twin-seat variation & domestic engine-equipped version of J-20 make official appearances
By Liu XuanzunPublished: Jan 10, 2021 06:43 PM

e0ead781-42ff-4333-8d30-6293fb305519.jpeg

The twin-seat variation of the J-20 fighter jet, depicted by computer-generated imagery, is seen in a video released by AVIC celebrating the 10th anniversary of the aircraft's maiden flight in 2021. Photo: Screenshot from the AVIC video
A twin-seat variation of China's J-20 stealth fighter jet and a J-20 version equipped with a domestically made engine have been spotted for the first time in official videos recently released by its developer and the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force, only days before the 10th anniversary on Monday of the aircraft's maiden flight.

The twin-seat variation of the J-20 could be used for electronic warfare, command of wingman drones or bombing, and the domestic engine means the J-20 is no longer reliant on Russian engines, analysts said on Sunday.

Depicted by computer-generated imagery, four twin-seat J-20 variations were seen flying in formation in a video released by state-owned Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC), the developer of the aircraft, on Friday, in celebration of the 10th anniversary on Monday of the original aircraft's maiden flight.

This is the first time the twin-seat J-20 has been featured in an official promotional source, although media reports had speculated about its existence for years. It will also make the J-20 variation the world's first twin-seat stealth fighter jet, media reported.

By adding another seat to the cockpit, the aircraft could, in exchange for some level of stealth capability and maneuverability, carry a second pilot designated for more complicated tasks such as electronic warfare, command of wingman drones or tactical bombing, a Chinese military analyst told the Global Times on Sunday, requesting anonymity.

This means the twin-seat J-20 could spawn more variations that are equipped with devices corresponding to these tasks, the analyst predicted.

AVIC's video did not elaborate on the twin-seat J-20 or its designed functions.

In a separate video, released on Tuesday by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force for its pilot recruitment program, Chinese media outlets identified a J-20 that is equipped with domestically developed WS-10C engines instead of imported Russian engines.

This is also the first time the PLA Air Force has confirmed that a J-20 equipped with a domestically made engine has entered service, Passion News, a media outlet under k618.cn, a news portal run by the Communist Youth League of China Central Committee, reported on Friday.

Designed with stealth capability, the WS-10C engines provide more powerful thrust than the Russian engines previously used on the J-20, since the Chinese engines use full authority digital engine control technology and improved afterburners, the Passion News report said.

Domestic engines will not only let the J-20 become stronger, but also enable the mass production of the aircraft without the limitation of imported engines, analysts said, noting that the J-20 will eventually use the WS-15, an even more powerful domestically developed engine.

My friend you are late to the party by 2 weeks + 1 day.
 
China combined F-22 and F-35 roles into 1 where J-20 could perform multi-role. Unlike F-35 that carries just 2x JDAMs & 2x AIM-120C7 or 4x JDAMs without air to air missiles at all, the J-20 could carry 4 heavy bombs or air to ground missiles while having 2x PL-10E in sidebays for self defense.

The FC-31 is made for export to close allies that will be attacked by country having advanced air force. Also the FC-31 will serve as testbed for developing new navalized stealth fighter for Type 003 that is likely totally new different aircraft.

F-35 is designed to be inferior without side bay meant for export to US allies and to make money. China is not taking this approach and intend to come up with real multi-role stealth fighter instead.
Stop it with your Stupid conspiracy theory, J-20 is not multirole stealth jet, it has a similar mission profile than F-22, first Mission for J-20 is always AIR SUPERIORITY and then it SECONDRY MISSION WILL BE GROUND ATTACK/CAS/ANTI SHIPING ROLE, just like F-22
 
Stop it with your Stupid conspiracy theory, J-20 is not multirole stealth jet, it has a similar mission profile than F-22, first Mission for J-20 is always AIR SUPERIORITY and then it SECONDRY MISSION WILL BE GROUND ATTACK/CAS/ANTI SHIPING ROLE, just like F-22


Again, why do you even argue with him? It's like stirring into a wasp's nest?
 
The 1st Chinese Air Force Air Brigade, based in Anshan, 170 km from the border with North Korea, reportedly received their first J-20. This would be the second front-line unit, and the 4th operational unit, to acquire this aircraft.

From East Pendulum/ Henry Kenhmann
La 1ère brigade d'aviation de l'armée de l'air chinoise, basée à Anshan, à 170 km de la frontière avec la Corée du Nord, aurait réceptionné leur premiers J-20. Il s'agirait donc de la 2e unité de première ligne, et la 4ème opérationnelle, à se doter de cet avion.


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Very interesting ... this post is now almost one year old and since then nothing! :fie:

Nothing until I received a mail from a friend ... and YES, as it seems, the first J-20A for Anshan no. 61x2x was spotted. :smitten:
 
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