Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Deino]

Why would China stop J10C deliveries? Granted J20 is very good, but the platforms form different roles? Do you have an article/news story on this stop ?

Here you go:

Deliveries Chengdu J-10C seems to have been stopped

Deliveries Chengdu J-10C seems to have been stopped. A visit to Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC) at Chengdu/Huangtianba (China) early January 2021 revealed that deliveries of th...

www.scramble.nl

 

[kungfugymnast]

Why would China stop J10C deliveries? Granted J20 is very good, but the platforms form different roles? Do you have an article/news story on this stop ?

J-10C is only good for home border patrol and air to ground search & destroy roles more towards defensive. The J-20A has the combat radius to cover larger area and ideal for offensive. If J-20A willing to forgo stealth could carry far more air to ground armaments and with the FLIR pod, it could perform search and destroy roles with less risk from being targeted by enemy SAM compared to J-10C. Rather than wasting resources on building J-10C with limited role, better build more J-20A/B instead.

Besides the news concerning the eventually halted J-10C deliveries, this is the - at least IMO - even more important part:

So come on ... please show us such a J-20A with 61x2x-serials!??

PS: And yes I know this image of J-20A no. 61021 is a BAD FAKE.

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Replace J-11? Not phasing out totally obsolete old J-7 and J-8?

 

[kungfugymnast]

Stop it with your Stupid conspiracy theory, J-20 is not multirole stealth jet, it has a similar mission profile than F-22, first Mission for J-20 is always AIR SUPERIORITY and then it SECONDRY MISSION WILL BE GROUND ATTACK/CAS/ANTI SHIPING ROLE, just like F-22

This is not conspiracy but facts. Why do you think the purpose of J-20 having built-in FLIR pod similar to F-35 underneath the nose radome for? That is for search and destroy purpose allowing J-20 to designate ground targets. F-14A/B, F-15C & F-22 don't have FLIR pods because their roles are solely air to air. F-22A can't carry JDAM but could carry GPS guided SDB if really necessary but the plan was scrapped.

China is not planning to have its variant of F-35 therefore stealth strategic strike role is flown by J-20. FC-31 is test bed for J-35 and also for export market won't enter service with PLAAF. When there's J-20 carrying air to ground armaments, what will you say then? It was stated in PLAAF statement that J-20 is meant for multi-role fighter bomber, not just a fighter which is why they made the internal bay large enough to fit air to ground missiles and bombs that it could designate ground targets.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

J-10C is only good for home border patrol and air to ground search & destroy roles more towards defensive. The J-20A has the combat radius to cover larger area and ideal for offensive. If J-20A willing to forgo stealth could carry far more air to ground armaments and with the FLIR pod, it could perform search and destroy roles with less risk from being targeted by enemy SAM compared to J-10C. Rather than wasting resources on building J-10C with limited role, better build more J-20A/B instead.


Replace J-11? Not phasing out totally obsolete old J-7 and J-8?

Stop you stupid conspiracy theory about J-20, J-20 is not a multirole jet but its primary mission will be always AIR SUPERIORTY and then its has secondary missions of strike/cas just like F-22, stop being stupid, J-20 isn't a STEALTH VERSION OF SU-34 as you think

This is not conspiracy but facts. Why do you think the purpose of J-20 having built-in FLIR pod similar to F-35 underneath the nose radome for? That is for search and destroy purpose allowing J-20 to designate ground targets. F-14A/B, F-15C & F-22 don't have FLIR pods because their roles are solely air to air. F-22A can't carry JDAM but could carry GPS guided SDB if really necessary but the plan was scrapped.

China is not planning to have its variant of F-35 therefore stealth strategic strike role is flown by J-20. FC-31 is test bed for J-35 and also for export market won't enter service with PLAAF. When there's J-20 carrying air to ground armaments, what will you say then? It was stated in PLAAF statement that J-20 is meant for multi-role fighter bomber, not just a fighter which is why they made the internal bay large enough to fit air to ground missiles and bombs that it could designate ground targets.

Your this false theory is already debunk by senior Chinese member here J-20 ETOS is basically a stealth oriented IRST (to detect air targets first than it has secondary mission to detect and destroy ground target) with only glide bombs and wind corrected munitions, same like F-22

 

[Deino]

J-10C is only good for home border patrol and air to ground search & destroy roles more towards defensive. The J-20A has the combat radius to cover larger area and ideal for offensive. If J-20A willing to forgo stealth could carry far more air to ground armaments and with the FLIR pod, it could perform search and destroy roles with less risk from being targeted by enemy SAM compared to J-10C. Rather than wasting resources on building J-10C with limited role, better build more J-20A/B instead.


Replace J-11? Not phasing out totally obsolete old J-7 and J-8?

This is quite a typical habit, the PLAAF replaces the old top-tier fighters (like in this case the old Su-30MKK and J-11/Su-27SK) with the new top-tier fighter in the elite regiments/brigades and then replaces even older types like J-7 and J-7 with those fighters. As such, nothing unusual nor unexpected.

For example the former 44th Division's 131st AR was the first to receive the J-10A ... and when they gained J-10C the J-10A were delivered to the 132nd AR to replace J-7.

 

[siegecrossbow]

This is quite a typical habit, the PLAAF replaces the old top-tier fighters (like in this case the old Su-30MKK and J-11/Su-27SK) with the new top-tier fighter in the elite regiments/brigades and then replaces even older types like J-7 and J-7 with those fighters. As such, nothing unusual nor unexpected.

For example the former 44th Division's 131st AR was the first to receive the J-10A ... and when they gained J-10C the J-10A were delivered to the 132nd AR to replace J-7.

They are essentially the hand-me-down clothes of the fighter jet world.

 

[CIA Mole]

They are essentially the hand-me-down clothes of the fighter jet world.

What will they do with the hundreds of j7?

 

[Deino]

What will they do with the hundreds of j7?

At best scrapped

 

[siegecrossbow]

What will they do with the hundreds of j7?

Most are scrapped like Deino suggested. Some are placed in reserve.

 

[GiantPanda]

Most are scrapped like Deino suggested. Some are placed in reserve.

Drones too. Target and otherwise.

China had been doing this to old fighters for a few decades now.

The J-6 based B-6 drones:

 

[samsara]

Here you go:

Deliveries Chengdu J-10C seems to have been stopped

Deliveries Chengdu J-10C seems to have been stopped. A visit to Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC) at Chengdu/Huangtianba (China) early January 2021 revealed that deliveries of th...

www.scramble.nl

Whose visit? Their own visit? Source?

No additional info aside from the Scramble's own statement, which is a media of/for Dutch aviation society. I will take the words from the South China Morning Post than a Dutch media "in this subject" for the apparent reason, accessibility to the source

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What will they do with the hundreds of j7?

They will be coverted to unmanned drones.

 

[Beast]

They will be coverted to unmanned drones.

For pilots to gain flight times.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Stop you stupid conspiracy theory about J-20, J-20 is not a multirole jet but its primary mission will be always AIR SUPERIORTY and then its has secondary missions of strike/cas just like F-22, stop being stupid, J-20 isn't a STEALTH VERSION OF SU-34 as you think

Your this false theory is already debunk by senior Chinese member here J-20 ETOS is basically a stealth oriented IRST (to detect air targets first than it has secondary mission to detect and destroy ground target) with only glide bombs and wind corrected munitions, same like F-22

If you can't stick to proper debate, you shouldn't be on forum. Stupid applies to you as only stupid can't stick to proper explanation with facts. If you talk like this in real world especially at work, you'll be receiving warning letter. Probably you did due to serious attitude issue

If the built in pod below radome is just IRST, then it's a disappointment because it looks like F-35 FLIR pod but just an oversized IRST.

 

[kungfugymnast]

This is quite a typical habit, the PLAAF replaces the old top-tier fighters (like in this case the old Su-30MKK and J-11/Su-27SK) with the new top-tier fighter in the elite regiments/brigades and then replaces even older types like J-7 and J-7 with those fighters. As such, nothing unusual nor unexpected.

For example the former 44th Division's 131st AR was the first to receive the J-10A ... and when they gained J-10C the J-10A were delivered to the 132nd AR to replace J-7.

Thanks for the information. Glad that only obsolete J-7 being phasing out for good

This is quite a typical habit, the PLAAF replaces the old top-tier fighters (like in this case the old Su-30MKK and J-11/Su-27SK) with the new top-tier fighter in the elite regiments/brigades and then replaces even older types like J-7 and J-7 with those fighters. As such, nothing unusual nor unexpected.

For example the former 44th Division's 131st AR was the first to receive the J-10A ... and when they gained J-10C the J-10A were delivered to the 132nd AR to replace J-7.

Thanks for the information. Glad that only obsolete J-7 being phasing out for good