Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[CIA Mole]

The sixth generation fighter is not coming anytime soon though. At the earliest, it will be operational by 2030, which is already an extremely tense timetable. It is only 2020 right now, so for the next 10 years, the primary objective for the Chinese would be to match F-35 deployment as there is no operational sixth generation fighter.

i feel like 100000 manned/unmanned cheaper jets suit china more than J20's

 

[kungfugymnast]

i feel like 100000 manned/unmanned cheaper jets suit china more than J20's

You forgot the cost of maintaining the 10,000 fighters which will be costly. No stealth means they would have to survive by spoofing at least 3-4 waves of 2x AMRAAMs (per wave) before they could get close to F-22 and F-35. AIM-120C7/D hit percentage against 4th & 4.5 conventional fighters are like 50-60% which means most of these fighters will be shot down ending with high casualties.

Also relying 100% on conventional fighters mean they'll be too occupied with evading & spoofing missiles allowing enemy stealth bombers and strike fighters to past through defenses to drop bombs on friendlies assets, supplies & probably cities resulting in massive losses of lives and ability to retaliate.

J-20B and later J-20C with WS15 will be built in large numbers probably more than F-35A/B and F-22 combined.

 

[Deino]

It could also be the WS-10 TVC version J-20s ... given that the standard WS-10 J-20s entered production in late 2018, they must have been transferred to CFTE much longer ago. We know for sure there was a J-20 TVC demo in front of CMC Vice Chairmen back in July so most likely these are the TVC version, not the standard.

It's an old image of late 2018!

 

[Deino]

It's an old image of late 2018!

Here the most recent one dated 17. March 2020. However it shows 6 yellow coloured Flanker!

 

[Grandy]

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The era when a stealth fighter can paralyze an air defense system is gone
2020-10-05 23:10:58

Graphene materials are used in radar, stealth fighters have nowhere to hide

Graphene single crystal breaks the bottleneck, and the chip speed is increased by 1000 times.

Graphite is a very common substance in life, but single-layer graphene is a kind of Very good two-dimensional nanomaterials, with excellent optical, electrical and mechanical properties, are widely used in the fields of material processing, nanotechnology, and biomedicine, and are considered to be a revolutionary future material. However, it is very difficult to prepare single-layer graphene. In 2010, a British physicist and a Russian physicist won the Nobel Prize in Physics for discovering graphene at room temperature. It can be seen that graphene is in the future scientific system. Great value.

my country's Chinese Academy of Sciences successfully broke through the graphene preparation problem last year and established the first fully automated mass-produced graphene production line. The delay frequency of silicon-graphene-transistors prepared with graphene as the main raw material has been shortened by more than 1,000 times. It is expected to realize the production of ultra-high-speed transistors in the future. Compared with traditional high-integrated circuits, it has a faster response speed. If applied in electronics In the equipment, the electronic reaction speed will be greatly improved.

Graphene materials are used in radar, stealth fighters have nowhere to hide

The emergence of graphene has brought revolutionary changes to information technology, and all electronic equipment Performance will also improve by leaps and bounds. Adding one-thousandth of graphene to the non-conductive plastic can make the plastic have good conductivity and increase the heat resistance by 30°C; the graphene material has the characteristics of light and thin, good stretchability, and strong toughness. Use it to make The screen can be bent arbitrarily; using the characteristic that lithium ions can shuttle freely between the graphene electrodes and the surface, the battery produced can be charged for a few minutes and can continue to discharge for thousands of hours.

In the military industry, graphene has a greater effect. Radars made of graphene have faster response speed and resolution, and processing capabilities have increased exponentially, even for F-22 The stealth fighter has nowhere to hide. The application of graphene in the military is bound to set off a new round of technological revolution, forcing active fighters to be updated and upgraded, and the era when a stealth fighter can paralyze an air defense system is gone.

 

[ILC]

Graphene another bingo article material. We've been talking about it for two decades? Nothing happend. Overhyped.

 

[Figaro]

Graphene another bingo article material. We've been talking about it for two decades? Nothing happend. Overhyped.

You can usually tell these articles have little value when they use stock images like those that serve absolutely no purpose.

 

[Grandy]

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Look this J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei told about J 20 :

Recently, the J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei published an article in the Journal of Aeronautics and Astronautics, that confirmed that the F-22 was not a global leader because it was designed in the 1980s. The design concept of the J-20 must be a whole generation ahead.

The article pointed out that the advanced standard for evaluating fighter design concepts is the "OODA Cycle Theory". This theory was invented by the famous American military strategist and pilot John Boyd, which divides the fighter combat activity organization capabilities into Four cycle stages: observation-judgment-decision-attack. Based on this theory, the stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. The proposal of this theory has a significant impact on the design of the fourth-generation aircraft of the Western standard. At that time, it was believed that the physical mobility of fighter jets could be transformed into combat advantages in combat. The advantage of compaction.

This cycle theory was called OODA cycle 1.0 at the time, which highlights the agility of fighter jets. The development of F-22 also practiced this theory a lot, and finally became a model with super maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability. The fifth generation machine. In order to achieve super maneuverability, F-22 even made concessions on cruising speed and stealth performance, which eventually led to the dismantling of the more avant-garde design concept YF-23.

However, with the rapid advancement of electronic information technology, coupled with the slower advancement of aviation launch technology, there has been a situation in which old fighters equipped with new avionics can counter the new generation of fighters. For the first time, importance surpassed mobility and became the primary factor in determining the outcome of air combat. The US F-35 pilots confirmed that the ability of information perception will directly determine the victory or defeat of an air battle. How to improve the situational awareness of the enemy plane and prevent the enemy's perception of the plane is the key. Lockheed Martin pointed out in 2017 that the OODA cycle has entered the 2.0 era. The key factors that determine the victory of air combat, thrust, acceleration, and lift, have declined, and more importantly, information entropy, sensoriness and information transmission rate.

F-22 due to the long design time, no optical fiber data link, no distributed hole system and photoelectric aiming system, unable to implement networked operations, and the situational awareness capabilities are seriously lagging behind. The machine was not designed with an open structure, and the system cannot be upgraded after the production line is closed, and it is becoming a "functional machine" that lags behind the times. Therefore, from a design perspective, the J-20 and F-35 are products of OODA cycle 2.0, while the F-22 is a product of 1.0, one generation behind.

The J-20 is not only one generation ahead of the F-22 in theory, but a comprehensive lead on many devices. The factors that determine the air combat level of a fighter include stealth performance, situational awareness, maneuverability, missile weapons, and data link. Since the F-22 was discontinued 10 years ago, in addition to its advantages in the engine field, it has more powerful subsonic maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability, but it is almost behind in other aspects. The radar reflection area of F-22 and F-20 is almost at the same level. F-22 only has small infrared characteristics, but it has no practical meaning in close combat. There is a big gap between the two aircraft in other aspects including:

First of all, the radar performance of the two airborne aircraft has a large gap. The J-20 has a larger nose than the F-22 and is also equipped with an advanced generation of active phased array radar. The key to determining the performance of the phased array radar is the T/R module transmission power and the number of modules. The F-22 is equipped with APG77 radar with 2200 modules, using the second-generation gallium arsenide technology, and its total power is only 15 kilowatts. The radar equipped with the J-20 uses the third-generation gallium arsenide technology. The total power is 5 times that of the F-22, and the detection range exceeds 70% of the F-22 radar.

followed by F-22 In close combat, situational awareness is one generation behind. Both F-35 and J-20 are equipped with a distributed optical aperture system and photoelectric tracking and aiming system, which can sense the situation of the fighter aircraft within a 360-degree range. The F-22 not only is not equipped with these systems, but also has no interfaces, and cannot be installed after closing the production line. The F-22 still relies on the forward-looking radar to detect targets at close range. There is a huge blind spot for enemy aircraft, and it is unable to exert the performance of the fourth-generation combat missile with off-axis launch capability. Even with super maneuverability, it is still difficult to gain an advantage.

Third, the F-22 equipped with missile weapons lags behind the J-20 generation. The advanced missile that F-22 can use is AIM-120D with a maximum range of 160 kilometers, while the J-20 equipped with J-20 has a range of over 200 kilometers; the F-22 equipped with AIM-9X missile has a maximum range of 19 kilometers. The angle is ±90°, with 128X128 matrixes. The J-20 equipped with the J-20 is the world’s largest combat missile, with a maximum range of 60 kilometers and a 256X256 matrix. It can perform off-axis omni-directional attacks, has stronger anti-jamming capabilities, and is more advanced.

Finally, the F-22 data link is one generation behind. The United States launched the F-22 data link update plan in 2018, but the effect is still not satisfactory, mainly because the data transmission rate of all subsystems of the aircraft is seriously behind. The advantage of the J-20 is that it can carry out networked operations with other fighters, and can implement the "A shoot and B guide" tactics. All the airborne equipment of its own fighters can become part of situational awareness. The F-22 can only exchange information with its friendly aircraft, but cannot directly use the equipment of the friendly aircraft, and is in an information "island" during combat. Both the J-20 and F-35 adopt an open architecture, which can upgrade the subsystems indefinitely, while the F-22 will lag behind in the field of information perception and data transmission and is becoming a functional machine.

 

[samsara]

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Look this J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei told about J 20 :

Recently, the J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei published an article in the Journal of Aeronautics and Astronautics, that confirmed that the F-22 was not a global leader because it was designed in the 1980s. The design concept of the J-20 must be a whole generation ahead.

The article pointed out that the advanced standard for evaluating fighter design concepts is the "OODA Cycle Theory". This theory was invented by the famous American military strategist and pilot John Boyd, which divides the fighter combat activity organization capabilities into Four cycle stages: observation-judgment-decision-attack. Based on this theory, the stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. The proposal of this theory has a significant impact on the design of the fourth-generation aircraft of the Western standard. At that time, it was believed that the physical mobility of fighter jets could be transformed into combat advantages in combat. The advantage of compaction.

This cycle theory was called OODA cycle 1.0 at the time, which highlights the agility of fighter jets. The development of F-22 also practiced this theory a lot, and finally became a model with super maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability. The fifth generation machine. In order to achieve super maneuverability, F-22 even made concessions on cruising speed and stealth performance, which eventually led to the dismantling of the more avant-garde design concept YF-23.

However, with the rapid advancement of electronic information technology, coupled with the slower advancement of aviation launch technology, there has been a situation in which old fighters equipped with new avionics can counter the new generation of fighters. For the first time, importance surpassed mobility and became the primary factor in determining the outcome of air combat. The US F-35 pilots confirmed that the ability of information perception will directly determine the victory or defeat of an air battle. How to improve the situational awareness of the enemy plane and prevent the enemy's perception of the plane is the key. Lockheed Martin pointed out in 2017 that the OODA cycle has entered the 2.0 era. The key factors that determine the victory of air combat, thrust, acceleration, and lift, have declined, and more importantly, information entropy, sensoriness and information transmission rate.

F-22 due to the long design time, no optical fiber data link, no distributed hole system and photoelectric aiming system, unable to implement networked operations, and the situational awareness capabilities are seriously lagging behind. The machine was not designed with an open structure, and the system cannot be upgraded after the production line is closed, and it is becoming a "functional machine" that lags behind the times. Therefore, from a design perspective, the J-20 and F-35 are products of OODA cycle 2.0, while the F-22 is a product of 1.0, one generation behind.

The J-20 is not only one generation ahead of the F-22 in theory, but a comprehensive lead on many devices. The factors that determine the air combat level of a fighter include stealth performance, situational awareness, maneuverability, missile weapons, and data link. Since the F-22 was discontinued 10 years ago, in addition to its advantages in the engine field, it has more powerful subsonic maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability, but it is almost behind in other aspects. The radar reflection area of F-22 and F-20 is almost at the same level. F-22 only has small infrared characteristics, but it has no practical meaning in close combat. There is a big gap between the two aircraft in other aspects including:

First of all, the radar performance of the two airborne aircraft has a large gap. The J-20 has a larger nose than the F-22 and is also equipped with an advanced generation of active phased array radar. The key to determining the performance of the phased array radar is the T/R module transmission power and the number of modules. The F-22 is equipped with APG77 radar with 2200 modules, using the second-generation gallium arsenide technology, and its total power is only 15 kilowatts. The radar equipped with the J-20 uses the third-generation gallium arsenide technology. The total power is 5 times that of the F-22, and the detection range exceeds 70% of the F-22 radar.

followed by F-22 In close combat, situational awareness is one generation behind. Both F-35 and J-20 are equipped with a distributed optical aperture system and photoelectric tracking and aiming system, which can sense the situation of the fighter aircraft within a 360-degree range. The F-22 not only is not equipped with these systems, but also has no interfaces, and cannot be installed after closing the production line. The F-22 still relies on the forward-looking radar to detect targets at close range. There is a huge blind spot for enemy aircraft, and it is unable to exert the performance of the fourth-generation combat missile with off-axis launch capability. Even with super maneuverability, it is still difficult to gain an advantage.

Third, the F-22 equipped with missile weapons lags behind the J-20 generation. The advanced missile that F-22 can use is AIM-120D with a maximum range of 160 kilometers, while the J-20 equipped with J-20 has a range of over 200 kilometers; the F-22 equipped with AIM-9X missile has a maximum range of 19 kilometers. The angle is ±90°, with 128X128 matrixes. The J-20 equipped with the J-20 is the world’s largest combat missile, with a maximum range of 60 kilometers and a 256X256 matrix. It can perform off-axis omni-directional attacks, has stronger anti-jamming capabilities, and is more advanced.

Finally, the F-22 data link is one generation behind. The United States launched the F-22 data link update plan in 2018, but the effect is still not satisfactory, mainly because the data transmission rate of all subsystems of the aircraft is seriously behind. The advantage of the J-20 is that it can carry out networked operations with other fighters, and can implement the "A shoot and B guide" tactics. All the airborne equipment of its own fighters can become part of situational awareness. The F-22 can only exchange information with its friendly aircraft, but cannot directly use the equipment of the friendly aircraft, and is in an information "island" during combat. Both the J-20 and F-35 adopt an open architecture, which can upgrade the subsystems indefinitely, while the F-22 will lag behind in the field of information perception and data transmission and is becoming a functional machine.

Correcting some typos and errors... for the 2nd mentioning of the obviously PL series of AAM, but I can't ascertain which PL series it mean (tho I guess it may be the short range PL-10, thus I just put "PL-xx", while for the 1st mentioning I believe it meant "PL-15" for the very long range one. Too bad a good article is being filled up with typos and errors even some omission here and there, if only the proofreading is being done. Feel free to further correct the below adaption, suggestion is welcomed.

Some questionable terms: "no distributed hole system"

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Recently, the J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei published an article in the Journal of Aeronautics and Astronautics (October 2020)

That confirmed that the F-22 was not a global leader because it was designed in the 1980s. The design concept of the J-20 must be a whole generation ahead.

The article pointed out that the advanced standard for evaluating fighter design concepts is the "OODA Cycle Theory" [OODA: Observe, Orient, Decide, Act]. This theory was invented by the famous American military strategist and pilot John Boyd, which divides the fighter combat activity organization capabilities into Four Cycle Stages: Observation - Judgement - Decision - Attack. Based on this theory, the stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. The proposal of this theory has a significant impact on the design of the fourth-generation aircraft of the Western standard. At that time, it was believed that the physical mobility of fighter jets could be transformed into combat advantages in combat situation. The advantage of compaction.

This cycle theory was called OODA Cycle 1.0 at the time, which highlights the agility of fighter jets. The development of F-22 also practiced this theory a lot, and finally became a model with super maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability. The fifth generation aircraft. In order to achieve super maneuverability, F-22 even made concessions on cruising speed and stealth performance, which eventually led to the dismantling of the more avant-garde design concept of the YF-23.

However, with the rapid advancement of electronic information technology, coupled with the slower advancement of aviation launch technology, there has been a situation in which old fighters equipped with new avionics can counter the new generation of fighters. For the first time, the importance of the situational awareness surpassed mobility and became the primary factor in determining the outcome of air combat. The U.S. F-35 pilots confirmed that the ability of information perception will directly determine the victory or defeat of an air battle. How to improve the situational awareness of the enemy plane and prevent the enemy's perception of the plane is the key. Lockheed Martin pointed out in 2017 that the OODA Cycle has entered the 2.0 era. The key factors that determine the victory of air combat: engine thrust, acceleration, and lift, have declined, while aspects like information entropy, sensoriness and information transmission rate are growing in their importance.

The F-22 due to its much earlier design period, has no optical fiber data link, no distributed hole system and photoelectric aiming system, unable to implement networked operations, and the situational awareness capabilities are seriously lagging behind. The machine was not designed with an open structure, and the system cannot be upgraded after the production line is closed, and it is becoming a "functional machine" that lags behind the time. Therefore, from a design perspective, the J-20 and F-35 are products of OODA Cycle 2.0, while the F-22 is a product of 1.0, one generation behind.

The J-20 is not only one generation ahead of the F-22 in theory, but it has a comprehensive lead on many devices. The factors that determine the air combat level of a fighter include stealth performance, situational awareness, maneuverability, missile weapons, and data link. Since the F-22 was discontinued 10 years ago, in addition to its advantages in the engine field, it has more powerful subsonic maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability, but it is almost behind in other aspects. The radar reflection area of F-22 and J-20 is almost at the same level. F-22 only has small infrared characteristics, but it has no practical meaning in close combat. There is a big gap between the two aircraft in other aspects including those mentioned below.

First of all, the radar performance of the two airborne aircraft has a large gap. The J-20 has a larger nose than the F-22 and is also equipped with an advanced generation of active phased array radar. The key to determining the performance of the phased array radar is the T/R module transmission power and the number of modules. The F-22 is equipped with APG77 radar with 2200 modules, using the second-generation gallium arsenide technology, and its total power is only 15 kilowatts. The radar equipped with the J-20 uses the third-generation gallium arsenide technology. The total power is 5 times that of the F-22, and the detection range exceeds 70% of the F-22 radar.

Second, followed by F-22 weakness in close combat, situational awareness is one generation behind. Both F-35 and J-20 are equipped with a distributed optical aperture system and photoelectric tracking and aiming system, which can sense the situation of the fighter aircraft within a 360-degree range. The F-22 not only is not equipped with these systems, but also has no interfaces, and cannot be installed after closing the production line 10 years ago. The F-22 still relies on the forward-looking radar to detect targets at close range. There is a huge blind spot for enemy aircraft, and it is unable to exert the performance of the fourth-generation combat missile with off-axis launch capability. Even with super maneuverability, it is still difficult to gain an advantage.

Third, the F-22 equipped with missile weapons lags behind the J-20 generation. The advanced missile that F-22 can use is AIM-120D with a maximum range of 160 kilometers, while the J-20 equipped with the PL-15, an active radar-guided air-to-air missile, has a range of over 200 kilometers; the F-22 equipped with AIM-9X missile has a maximum range of 19 kilometers. The angle is ±90°, with 128 x 128 arrays. The J-20 equipped with the PL-xx is the world’s largest combat missile, with a maximum range of 60 kilometers and a 256 x 256 arrays. It can perform off-axis omni-directional attacks, has stronger anti-jamming capabilities, and is more advanced.

Finally, the F-22 data link is one generation behind. The United States launched the F-22 data link update plan in 2018, but the effect is still not satisfactory, mainly because the data transmission rate of all subsystems of the aircraft is seriously lagging behind. The advantage of the J-20 is that it can carry out networked operations with other fighters, and can implement the "A shoot and B guide" tactics. All the airborne equipment of its own fighters can become part of situational awareness. The F-22 can only exchange information with its friendly aircraft, but cannot directly use the equipment of the friendly aircraft, and is in an information "island" during combat. Both the J-20 and F-35 adopt an open architecture, which can upgrade the subsystems indefinitely, while the F-22 will lag behind in the field of information perception and data transmission and is simply becoming a functional machine.

 

[UKBengali]

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Look this J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei told about J 20 :

Recently, the J-20 chief engineer Yang Wei published an article in the Journal of Aeronautics and Astronautics, that confirmed that the F-22 was not a global leader because it was designed in the 1980s. The design concept of the J-20 must be a whole generation ahead.

The article pointed out that the advanced standard for evaluating fighter design concepts is the "OODA Cycle Theory". This theory was invented by the famous American military strategist and pilot John Boyd, which divides the fighter combat activity organization capabilities into Four cycle stages: observation-judgment-decision-attack. Based on this theory, the stronger the fighter's ability in the four stages, the higher the combat strength. The proposal of this theory has a significant impact on the design of the fourth-generation aircraft of the Western standard. At that time, it was believed that the physical mobility of fighter jets could be transformed into combat advantages in combat. The advantage of compaction.

This cycle theory was called OODA cycle 1.0 at the time, which highlights the agility of fighter jets. The development of F-22 also practiced this theory a lot, and finally became a model with super maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability. The fifth generation machine. In order to achieve super maneuverability, F-22 even made concessions on cruising speed and stealth performance, which eventually led to the dismantling of the more avant-garde design concept YF-23.

However, with the rapid advancement of electronic information technology, coupled with the slower advancement of aviation launch technology, there has been a situation in which old fighters equipped with new avionics can counter the new generation of fighters. For the first time, importance surpassed mobility and became the primary factor in determining the outcome of air combat. The US F-35 pilots confirmed that the ability of information perception will directly determine the victory or defeat of an air battle. How to improve the situational awareness of the enemy plane and prevent the enemy's perception of the plane is the key. Lockheed Martin pointed out in 2017 that the OODA cycle has entered the 2.0 era. The key factors that determine the victory of air combat, thrust, acceleration, and lift, have declined, and more importantly, information entropy, sensoriness and information transmission rate.

F-22 due to the long design time, no optical fiber data link, no distributed hole system and photoelectric aiming system, unable to implement networked operations, and the situational awareness capabilities are seriously lagging behind. The machine was not designed with an open structure, and the system cannot be upgraded after the production line is closed, and it is becoming a "functional machine" that lags behind the times. Therefore, from a design perspective, the J-20 and F-35 are products of OODA cycle 2.0, while the F-22 is a product of 1.0, one generation behind.

The J-20 is not only one generation ahead of the F-22 in theory, but a comprehensive lead on many devices. The factors that determine the air combat level of a fighter include stealth performance, situational awareness, maneuverability, missile weapons, and data link. Since the F-22 was discontinued 10 years ago, in addition to its advantages in the engine field, it has more powerful subsonic maneuverability and supersonic cruise capability, but it is almost behind in other aspects. The radar reflection area of F-22 and F-20 is almost at the same level. F-22 only has small infrared characteristics, but it has no practical meaning in close combat. There is a big gap between the two aircraft in other aspects including:

First of all, the radar performance of the two airborne aircraft has a large gap. The J-20 has a larger nose than the F-22 and is also equipped with an advanced generation of active phased array radar. The key to determining the performance of the phased array radar is the T/R module transmission power and the number of modules. The F-22 is equipped with APG77 radar with 2200 modules, using the second-generation gallium arsenide technology, and its total power is only 15 kilowatts. The radar equipped with the J-20 uses the third-generation gallium arsenide technology. The total power is 5 times that of the F-22, and the detection range exceeds 70% of the F-22 radar.

followed by F-22 In close combat, situational awareness is one generation behind. Both F-35 and J-20 are equipped with a distributed optical aperture system and photoelectric tracking and aiming system, which can sense the situation of the fighter aircraft within a 360-degree range. The F-22 not only is not equipped with these systems, but also has no interfaces, and cannot be installed after closing the production line. The F-22 still relies on the forward-looking radar to detect targets at close range. There is a huge blind spot for enemy aircraft, and it is unable to exert the performance of the fourth-generation combat missile with off-axis launch capability. Even with super maneuverability, it is still difficult to gain an advantage.

Third, the F-22 equipped with missile weapons lags behind the J-20 generation. The advanced missile that F-22 can use is AIM-120D with a maximum range of 160 kilometers, while the J-20 equipped with J-20 has a range of over 200 kilometers; the F-22 equipped with AIM-9X missile has a maximum range of 19 kilometers. The angle is ±90°, with 128X128 matrixes. The J-20 equipped with the J-20 is the world’s largest combat missile, with a maximum range of 60 kilometers and a 256X256 matrix. It can perform off-axis omni-directional attacks, has stronger anti-jamming capabilities, and is more advanced.

Finally, the F-22 data link is one generation behind. The United States launched the F-22 data link update plan in 2018, but the effect is still not satisfactory, mainly because the data transmission rate of all subsystems of the aircraft is seriously behind. The advantage of the J-20 is that it can carry out networked operations with other fighters, and can implement the "A shoot and B guide" tactics. All the airborne equipment of its own fighters can become part of situational awareness. The F-22 can only exchange information with its friendly aircraft, but cannot directly use the equipment of the friendly aircraft, and is in an information "island" during combat. Both the J-20 and F-35 adopt an open architecture, which can upgrade the subsystems indefinitely, while the F-22 will lag behind in the field of information perception and data transmission and is becoming a functional machine.

What a load of nonsense.

1. J-20 came into service a decade later than F-22 and so was designed 10 years later and not 20-25 years as the article implies.

2. The F-22 is on the 4th upgrade of it's radar and it's hardware has already been upgraded. J-20 is probably on the first version of it's production radar.

3. For a stealth fighter AIM-120D with 160km range is more than sufficient. AIM-120 missile is combat tested and refined through many iterations whereas the PL-15 is new and has never been fired in anger.

F-22 with it's superior 5th generation engine would aerodynamically dominate the weak-engined J-20 and is far stealthier from behind.

The F-22 would win against the J-20 many times before it lost once.

 

[CIA Mole]

Hi I see this at wikipedia:

 

[LKJ86]

Hi I see this at wikipedia:
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Why didn't all of them crash?

 

[Figaro]

Hi I see this at wikipedia:
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It appears that Indians were editing this ... naturally they are venting their Galwan anger out on any related Chinese military page lol.

 

[Beast]

What a load of nonsense.

1. J-20 came into service a decade later than F-22 and so was designed 10 years later and not 20-25 years as the article implies.

2. The F-22 is on the 4th upgrade of it's radar and it's hardware has already been upgraded. J-20 is probably on the first version of it's production radar.

3. For a stealth fighter AIM-120D with 160km range is more than sufficient. AIM-120 missile is combat tested and refined through many iterations whereas the PL-15 is new and has never been fired in anger.

F-22 with it's superior 5th generation engine would aerodynamically dominate the weak-engined J-20 and is far stealthier from behind.

The F-22 would win against the J-20 many times before it lost once.

There is reason why US decide to close F-22 production at 187 made and focus on F-35. Of cos they will not tell u the reason is becos it is outdated or inferior. The non export clause is to also hide it's Inferiority if exported and disappoint the buyer.

If F-22 is really so magical, they wouldnt close the production line. Simple logic. Just like Zumalt class destroyer with only 3 produced. It's simply an expensive white elephant

 

[dbc]

Of cos they will not tell u the reason is becos it is outdated or inferior. The non export clause is to also hide it's Inferiority if exported and disappoint the buyer.

Is that why the J-20 is not exported? I get it now ...makes a lot of sense.