Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Pangu]

A foolish bet.


Good one!



Traitors?

Some traitors are actually foreigners living in China, speaks & understand Chinese lingo well enough to mixed in.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Some traitors are actually foreigners living in China, speaks & understand Chinese lingo well enough to mixed in.

Most of them are anti-PRC Taiwanese and Japanese who found their way to lurk around the CD Forum.

 

[Pangu]

Most of them are anti-PRC Taiwanese and Japanese who found their way to lurk around the CD Forum.

Yah, they cause alot of confusion & arguments, getting sick of it. unfortunately, we cannot really identify & ban them...

 

[Beast]

Most of them are anti-PRC Taiwanese and Japanese who found their way to lurk around the CD Forum.

Not to mention those falungong Chinese members in Canada and US. They are willing to sell their soul just to malign mainland Chinese.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yah, they cause alot of confusion & arguments, getting sick of it. unfortunately, we cannot really identify & ban them...

We know a lot about their behavior and style, only anti-PRC Taiwanese and Japanese will do this kind of stuff.

Although most Chinese netizens don't like the Singaporean government and the South Korean government, but we are pretty sure they won't send a bunch of Internet trolls like these.

Most HK military fans in the CD Forum mostly self-identified themselves and are enthusiasts about PLA's military advancement.

Most Americans aren't familiar with China's culture, so very unlikely it was done by them.

Only those anti-PRC Taiwanese and Japanese will do this kind of creepy and sleazy stuff.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... can we leave that other forums or country-man bashing !?

There are a few new finally serial-numbered J-20As out there which need to be spotted.

Deino

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not to mention those falungong Chinese members in Canada and US. They are willing to sell their soul just to malign mainland Chinese.

Yep, a lot of FLG members and 64-Minyun members are also involved.

Guys ... can we leave that other forums or country-man bashing !?

There are a few new finally serial-numbered J-20As out there which need to be spotted.

Deino

We are finding a way to purge those false information, so it is really necessary for our future discussion in this thread.

 

[Asoka]

5th Generation Stealth Fighters could carries 6 long range missiles for BVR battles, but they typically carry only two short range missiles for dog fights. That's not a lot compared to 4th generation fighters which have many mount points, and could carry up to 12-16 short range missiles. Normally, if you ran out of missiles, you could run away. But if you are a stealth fighter guarding an important asset like a AWAC or oil tanker, that is not a very good option.

So having a dedicated 5th generation dog fighter which could carry huge number of short range missiles for dog fighting might be a good idea. This is a artist's conception of J-20 carry 16 missiles. Pretty crazy.

What do you think, folks?

 

[Pepsi Cola]

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too much dimensions for stealth i feel

 

[Beast]

Stealth fighter itself is high value. I doubt it will be task with escort or guarding task?

 

[UKBengali]

The current J-20 engine could likely be a hybrid between the WS-15 and WS-10, and it can already produce a thrust much higher than the F119.

The "pure blood" WS-15 could likely exceed 200kN in the afterburner thrust as China can currently produce the titanium alloy that withstands against 2.2K Celsius as the engine blade.

I am now convinced that J-20 will come into service in 2018 with an engine that allows it to supercruise.

It will be a much better plane than F-35 and more suited to the Asia-Pacific theatre as it has longer-range than F-22.

 

[Asoka]

Stealth fighter itself is high value. I doubt it will be task with escort or guarding task?

True, Stealth fighter itself is high value, but AWACs and Oil Tankers are of even higher values in a mission. You better guard them very well.

I am now convinced that J-20 will come into service in 2018 with an engine that allows it to supercruise.

It will be a much better plane than F-35 and more suited to the Asia-Pacific theatre as it has longer-range than F-22.

The F-22 engine has160kN and it was developed in the 1980's. F-35's engine has 190 kN Thrust, and it was developed in the 1990's.

Now, it's 25 years later, China has developed super Titanium alloy for aviation and many new processes and manufacturing techniques. It's entirely possible that WS-15 will have >200kN thrust. That may not be a lot more compared to F-35's 190kN, but it will be 25% greater than F-22's 160kN. This is a huge advantage in thrust, and with J-20 bigger range. It can chase down anybody who wants to run in a aerial battle.

I am not saying China is now leading in engine technology. Not at all. US has developed the WS-15 class engine 25 years ago.

too much dimensions for stealth i feel

It will be for dog fighting, not BVR. When you can see your enemy with your eye balls, stealth is not so important.

Modern short range missile use Infrared Imaging sensing to track its target, not radar. It's virtually unescapable once it's fired toward you. Flare decoys won't work on them.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am now convinced that J-20 will come into service in 2018 with an engine that allows it to supercruise.

It will be a much better plane than F-35 and more suited to the Asia-Pacific theatre as it has longer-range than F-22.

The recent serial number shows that the J-20A is already entering into the service.

And according to China's expert, the finalized version of the WS-15 hasn't been deployed yet, and it looks like it will be reserved for the coming J-20B in 2020.

 

[Asoka]

The recent serial number shows that the J-20A is already entering into the service.

And according to China's expert, the finalized version of the WS-15 hasn't been deployed yet, and it looks like it will be reserved for the coming J-20B in 2020.

That sounds right. The current early model of WS-15 or WS-10X was delivered to J-20 for testing in early 2010. It took five years of intense flying testing to verify it. If the latest version of WS-15 was started bench testing in late 2015, it will take another 5 years to test it on J-20. So 2020 service date sounds right.

 

[Tiqiu]

The State media - <观察者网> also reported this news, saying if the image can be confirmed, the five-digit series means it has deployed in one of the PLAAF Units.
http://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/2016_12_06_383070.shtml

Based on the PLAAF coding system, the first digit 7 normally means the PLAAF Flight Test Training Center in Hebei Cangzhou, so I guess these J-20s will be used in the Chinese Red Flag exercise. In 2003, the very first batch of J-10 was deployed to this PLAAF unit for test and training.

The recent serial number shows that the J-20A is already entering into the service.

And according to China's expert, the finalized version of the WS-15 hasn't been deployed yet, and it looks like it will be reserved for the coming J-20B in 2020.

Maybe 2018