Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Ultima Thule]

J-10D with CFT's will have longer ferry range than J-10C. So better to wait a little bit more.

there are no J-10D right now bro

 

[cirr]

Sir, much better radar means AESA? And avionics level of J-10C will be comparable to e.g: F-16 Blk-52+ or Blk-60 or Rafale?

Avionics, comparable to F-35's, i.e. having specs and features commonly associated with avionics of 5th gen jets

Radar, AESA which will go on display at the coming Zhuhai Airshow. Looking out for specs and other details.

 

[WarFariX]

someone knows specs of J10C....especially payload and thrust

 

[ZedZeeshan]

someone knows specs of J10C....especially payload and thrust

Yes Chinese...

 

[WarFariX]

Yes Chinese...

i am asking about payload bro..not country XD

 

[MystryMan]

Avionics, comparable to F-35's, i.e. having specs and features commonly associated with avionics of 5th gen jets

Radar, AESA which will go on display at the coming Zhuhai Airshow. Looking out for specs and other details.

If your information is correct then only thing missing will be option of CFT in making this a true 4.5+ generation aircraft.
Will be ideal for PAF ROSE Mirages replacement.
@MastanKhan , @Quwa, @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Akasa]

If your information is correct then only thing missing will be option of CFT in making this a true 4.5+ generation aircraft.
Will be ideal for PAF ROSE Mirages replacement.
@MastanKhan , @Quwa, @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

When was it ever decided that CFTs are a requirement for a "4.5 generation" aircraft?

 

[Ultima Thule]

If your information is correct then only thing missing will be option of CFT in making this a true 4.5+ generation aircraft.
Will be ideal for PAF ROSE Mirages replacement.
@MastanKhan , @Quwa, @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

bro does EF-2000 have CFT, does Su-35 have CFT, does RAFALE have CFT, does GRIPPEN-NG have CFT, only 4.5 generation jet with CFT is F-16blk-52 and 60

 

[592257001]

If your information is correct then only thing missing will be option of CFT in making this a true 4.5+ generation aircraft.
Will be ideal for PAF ROSE Mirages replacement.
@MastanKhan , @Quwa, @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

CFTs are suppose to extend the "time on station" duration for fighters and attackers. Though videos of J-10's CFT variants have been disclosed officially through wind-tunnel testing many years ago, it looks like PLAAF and PLAN never took real interest in such variant due to two key points:

1. Although multi-role in nature, both PLAAF and PLAN want to use J-10 primarily as a lightweight, nimble dog fighter. It has been used mostly in areas close to home.

2. Whenever PLAAF/PLAN wants to engage in long-range sorties, say outside of the first-island-chain, it has plenty of potent long range fighter/attackers to choose from: JH-7(A), J-11(B/D), Su-30MKK(2), J-16 and the newly inducted J-20.

 

[DCS]

Drop tanks have the advantage of being jettisoned in combat. CFTs can dump fuel, but the drag and weight penalty remains.

 

[MystryMan]

When was it ever decided that CFTs are a requirement for a "4.5 generation" aircraft?

Perhaps I should have said one more feature (CFT) to make it more suitable for deep strike and attractive for PAF (as our F-16 Blk52 have CFT). So it would be comparable or surpass it in all aspects. However thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Bratva]

It will be advance then F16 block 60...dont underestimate Chinese...they are getting better by every passing day..

Avionics, comparable to F-35's, i.e. having specs and features commonly associated with avionics of 5th gen jets

Radar, AESA which will go on display at the coming Zhuhai Airshow. Looking out for specs and other details.

On what basis you say this thing ?

Sir, much better radar means AESA? And avionics level of J-10C will be comparable to e.g: F-16 Blk-52+ or Blk-60 or Rafale?

In its present configuration J-10 C overall doesnot come close to Present Rafael, or Eurofighter in anyway. Be realistic when you make certain claims

 

[dingyibvs]

It's hard to pass judgment with such scant data from the PLA. With that said, the J-10 has a much bigger nose cone than the Rafael and can fit a much larger radar, and the PLAAF has as much if not more experience with ESA radars than the French, so it's not unreasonable to conclude that it's very possible that the J-10C can have superior avionics than the Rafael.

 

[Akasa]

In its present configuration J-10 C overall doesnot come close to Present Rafael, or Eurofighter in anyway. Be realistic when you make certain claims

I would disagree. The J-10C generally falls into the league of the Rafale & Eurofighter if we base our judgment on the scope of its upgrades and enhancements. For instance, all three aforementioned platforms feature various airframe enhancements (to the extent of RAM application and composites), while in the electronics sector they all (or will eventually) adopt AESA radar, integrated EW/ECM suites, helmet-mounted sights, and incrementally-upgraded software packages.

Granted, technical nuances do exist, but whether they elicit a significant leap/reduction in capability of one platform vis-a-vis another is not for us to decide or analyze.

 

[Bratva]

I would disagree. The J-10C generally falls into the league of the Rafale & Eurofighter if we base our judgment on the scope of its upgrades and enhancements. For instance, all three aforementioned platforms feature various airframe enhancements (to the extent of RAM application and composites), while in the electronics sector they all (or will eventually) adopt AESA radar, integrated EW/ECM suites, helmet-mounted sights, and incrementally-upgraded software packages.

Granted, technical nuances do exist, but whether they elicit a significant leap/reduction in capability of one platform vis-a-vis another is not for us to decide or analyze.

You see you are limiting your scope. Overall package includes armaments, avionics specs and reliability, engine factor. The level of net centric sensors and interoperatibility of varioua sensors inside the package

We all know the specs of rafael and eurofighter rugged avionics. The level of their net centric approch and their reliability as well their specs.

Having aesa ew irst or others sensors in an airplane doesnot make it compareable to current standard rafael or eurofighter. Can you say with certainity that chinese avionics radar and electronic warfare systema are at par spec wise with the GaN based aesa used in rafael or with Eurofighter ? Or the specs of chinese ew systems are at par with Spectra or Britecloud ew systems ? Eurofighter is using a hanging disposable ew system

What are the specs of chinese AESA? Are they using GaN bawed aesa?

I have not seen chinese ew systems reached upto the french or european ew system capabilities at all.

Now comes the IRST. We all know the specs of Rafael OST and Eurofighter Pirate. Does J 10 irst comes to the level and reliability of these systems ?

And other thing is the armament package and PODS and encrypted datalinks, IFF used by european fighters and J 10 C. We all know who is superior here


The point is J 10 C is where Rafael or Eurofighter was in 2005. Making their initial flights with all those composites and what not. So no overall you can not compare J 10 C with current standard european packages based on wild wild west speculations and assumptions that chinese can do this and that with such finesss in their first attempt without any offical specs to back it up