Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

If anyone feels a bit bored ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245729265812979717

... and the following replies to my post:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245964417939931138

Won't feel bored if there's military talk. The Lavi was designed out of F16 frame powered by Israeli turbojet engine and improved flight performance while minimizing cost. US threatened to cut fundings forcing Israel to abandon the project. US didn't stop merkava project mainly because of OIC pressuring US not to sell MBT M1 to Israel. The rumor on Israelis selling the Lavi design blueprint is true along with Python 3 missiles.

For China, the J10 is larger based on medium fighter frame to fit larger AL31F engine and larger internal fuel tank to meet China's requirements to patrol larger border. Can't say J10 a copy but more of reverse engineering + own research done to come up with new fighter. For J10C, do you think they'll come up with racks that could carry 2-3 compact missiles/bombs per pylon like F16? There's Blue Arrow 21 missiles that are as big as AGM65 maverick now. An F16V carrying 2x AIM-9X, 2x AIM-120C, 6x AGM-65G, 2x drop tanks could take on enemy air patrols and destroy 6x ground targets (SAM/AAA, tanks, less armored building). For J10C that has larger internal fuel could come up with 2x PL10, 2x PL12 & 6x Blue Arrow 21 to perform similar multirole tasks?

 

[LKJ86]

Not sure if you took a look into this discussion and he refused everything ... the J-9, anything.

In his logic, the J-10 is a copy/clone

Just according to their shapes, the model made in 1982 is much closer to J-10A (no overlapping between canards and delta wings, no wingtip pylons, single-seat ...).

Besides, you should ask him that how CAC in 1982 would know that LAVI failed in 1987.

 

[Deino]

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Besides, you should ask him that how CAC in 1982 would know that LAVI failed in 1987.

I know, but it is quite useless ... in the end I gave up.

 

[Beast]

If avionics in JF17 proven effective, that means avionics in J10 that is more advanced will perform way better. Avionics determine how good an aircraft in spoofing incoming missiles, searching & tracking enemy targets and guiding missiles to targets. The RWR in JF17 shows that China no longer using Russian style RWR that is less detailed on pinpointing incoming missiles and tracking radar location. More of US/EU style with RWR screen allowing pilots to plan and perform evasive maneuver spoofing chaff/flare at right time.

If KJL-7A in JF-17 blk3 disappoint, will it mean the radar onboard J-10C is bad too?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

KLJ-10A(J-10C)

Whats its specifications?

 

[kungfugymnast]

If KJL-7A in JF-17 blk3 disappoint, will it mean the radar onboard J-10C is bad too?

Why would JF17 block 3 disappoint when it is doing well? That is how people look at avionics, else why would you think so many confident with US avionics? Because of proven track records. Take E-2C for example, its ECM is good enough to jam all radio signals within its radius although its not EW-ECM aircraft until there's problem getting British Rapier2000 SAM to operate its radar and tracking system. So that country bought China & Russia SAM system instead.

 

[Beast]

Why would JF17 block 3 disappoint when it is doing well? That is how people look at avionics, else why would you think so many confident with US avionics? Because of proven track records. Take E-2C for example, its ECM is good enough to jam all radio signals within its radius although its not EW-ECM aircraft until there's problem getting British Rapier2000 SAM to operate its radar and tracking system. So that country bought China & Russia SAM system instead.

Hard to say, if JF-17 blk 3 worst come to worst need to fight USAF. Going alone against US strike package will be an uphill task. JF-17 wblk 3 will take the rap if didnt goes well.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Hard to say, if JF-17 blk 3 worst come to worst need to fight USAF. Going alone against US strike package will be an uphill task. JF-17 wblk 3 will take the rap if didnt goes well.

JF17 is currently flown by PAF, Myanmar & Nigeria. US has no intention to invade any of these 3. If US attacked Iran, its allies already said they will sponsor to buy large numbers of J10CE to be delivered via belt & road. The AESA radar is less prone to ECM and would perform better than pulse doppler radar.

Refer Iraq desert storm, Iraqi Air Force medium range SARH missiles inventory:
Mig-29A - R27R
Mig-23MF/ML - R23/24R
Mig-25PD - R40R
Mirage F1 - Matra Super 530F

None of them ever hit any US fighters throughout desert storm despite having range of over 20 miles, most likely due to US electronic warfare ECM from EF111A & EA-6B jamming. US AIM-7F/M & AIM-120A/B engagement range are around 25 miles. US missiles are not totally 100% hit chance neither as proven by Mig-25PD that managed to evade and spoof dozens of AMRAAMs launched from squad of F-15s.

 

[Deino]

Can we please stop this now even further off-topic discussions?
The JF & PAF was already off and nor Iraq!!!

Come on!

 

[Trailer23]

Images suggest China has begun fitting indigenous WS10 engine into J-10C fighters
05 March 2020

China has begun fitting locally made Shenyang-Liming WS10 ‘Taihang’-series engines into its J-10 multirole fighter aircraft, images released on 2 March by state-owned broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV) suggest.

A screengrab from CCTV footage released on 2 March showing a J-10C multirole fighter in PLAAF
markings fitted with a Chinese-made WS10B engine.
Source: CCTV.com​

The images show an apparently newly built Chengdu Aircraft Industries Company (CAIC) J-10C fighter aircraft in People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) markings fitted with what appears to a WS10B engine, rather than the Russian-made Saturn AL-31FN turbofan that normally powers these aircraft. All main-production J-10s built by 2018, about 300 aircraft, appear to be powered by the AL-31FN.

It is unclear when or where the CCTV images were taken but the pictured aircraft, which appears to be almost ready for delivery, seems to be part of the fourth production batch of J-10Cs for the PLAAF.

Meanwhile, an image allegedly taken in mid-December 2019 but only posted recently on Chinese online forums suggests that the fifth batch of J-10C fighters is currently undergoing testing. The blurry photograph shows a J-10C painted in yellow primer and bearing what appears to be serial number 502 during a test flight at CAIC’s production facility in Chengdu Huangtianba.

https://www.janes.com/article/94712...ng-indigenous-ws10-engine-into-j-10c-fighters

 

[ILC]

J-10s built by 2018, about 300.

I think it should be about 400 or even more. I think in 2019 we were cheering 500 J-10?

 

[Deino]

I think it should be about 400 or even more. I think in 2019 we were cheering 500 J-10?

You are correct, that is a typo - in fact a stupid one - which slipped thru the latest checks

 

[kungfugymnast]

Images suggest China has begun fitting indigenous WS10 engine into J-10C fighters
05 March 2020

China has begun fitting locally made Shenyang-Liming WS10 ‘Taihang’-series engines into its J-10 multirole fighter aircraft, images released on 2 March by state-owned broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV) suggest.

A screengrab from CCTV footage released on 2 March showing a J-10C multirole fighter in PLAAF
markings fitted with a Chinese-made WS10B engine.
Source: CCTV.com​

The images show an apparently newly built Chengdu Aircraft Industries Company (CAIC) J-10C fighter aircraft in People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) markings fitted with what appears to a WS10B engine, rather than the Russian-made Saturn AL-31FN turbofan that normally powers these aircraft. All main-production J-10s built by 2018, about 300 aircraft, appear to be powered by the AL-31FN.

It is unclear when or where the CCTV images were taken but the pictured aircraft, which appears to be almost ready for delivery, seems to be part of the fourth production batch of J-10Cs for the PLAAF.

Meanwhile, an image allegedly taken in mid-December 2019 but only posted recently on Chinese online forums suggests that the fifth batch of J-10C fighters is currently undergoing testing. The blurry photograph shows a J-10C painted in yellow primer and bearing what appears to be serial number 502 during a test flight at CAIC’s production facility in Chengdu Huangtianba.

https://www.janes.com/article/94712...ng-indigenous-ws10-engine-into-j-10c-fighters

Good, by right they should build more J10C with WS10 engines replacing all old junked fighters such as J7 and J8 that are still dangerously flying. If US attacked Iran out of sudden, just sell all existing J10A to Iran for them to defend themselves while China mass produce 400x J10C

 

[PeacefulWar]

Good, by right they should build more J10C with WS10 engines replacing all old junked fighters such as J7 and J8 that are still dangerously flying. If US attacked Iran out of sudden, just sell all existing J10A to Iran for them to defend themselves while China mass produce 400x J10C

Well, I agree with the first part.
But why support Iran... I'd rather hope China make friend with America.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

I'd rather hope China make friend with America.

Well, you'll be hoping for a very long time.