Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[alimobin memon]

Chinese sources claim j10 can do Cobra Manuever , does J10 carry TVC? if not . How the hell does it do?

 

[Nishan_101]

300 JF17 Thunder
100 F16
150 J10B

Pakistan's force to be reckoned with

300 JF-17s Block-I/II/III with composties and advanced weapons.
70 Fc-20s PAC
59 F-16s old this is the force that will be reckon with till 2020

 

[saad.94]

We should go for j-11

 

[fjavaid]

We should go for j-11

Dual Tail Fighters may not fall into PAFs way of doing business but every thing has its "first Time" ... J11s will be very suitable for navel Defence & Air superiority as J11s are being heavily modified & upgraged with AESA , IRST indigenous engine, Composites and these are coming on par with SU-35

 

[Beast]

Chinese sources claim j10 can do Cobra Manuever , does J10 carry TVC? if not . How the hell does it do?

There is no need TVC to do cobra.. A Canard design is more than enough to execute it.

Lei Qiang, the test pilot of J-10 testify for that...

 

[air marshal]

J-10B Vigorous Dragon

The latest 1035 prototype of the J-10B (K/JJ10B?) was photographed at CAC airfield in July 2011, revealing the indigenous WS-10B (?) turbofan engine. This much improved variant (1031 prototype) made its maiden flight on December 23, 2008, powered by a Russian AL-31FN engine. The improvements include a DSI/bump engine inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a J-11B style IRST/LR and a wide-angle holographic HUD. IRST allows passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B more stealthy in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, housing fire-control radar which could be an X-band AESA developed by the 14th Institute (track 10, engage 4 simultaneously), the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. An ECM antenna can also be seen ahead of the canard foreplane. Two large pods housing testing equipments were attached under the wings. The tip of vertical tailfin was redesigned as well, featuring a large fairing containing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. RAM coating is also expected in certain areas such as engine inlet and wing leading edges to reduce RCS. The aircraft may be fitted with CFTs in the future to further extend its range. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system, ranging from radar to EW system. Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-role, such as CAS or EW. For air-superiority mission, normally 6 AAMs (PL-12x4 + PL-8x2, PL-12s are carried underneath the twin-rail launch pylon) can be carried. For CAS mission, normally 2 KD-88 AGMs or LS-500J LGBs can be carried. In addition, the aircraft is expected to be powered eventually by a WS-10B turbofan. Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60. The 03 prototype first flew in August 2009, with the pitot tube removed from the nose tip. Both 1031 & 1034 prototypes are currently being tested at CFTE. J-10B is likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 (see below) currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. The production of J-10B is expected to be imminent (07 batch?). The initial batches are likely to be powered by Russian AL-31FN engines due to the low productivity rate of WS-10B. A further upgraded semi-stealth variant (J-10C?) might be developed as well but no details are available.

- Last Updated 3/5/12

 

[manofwar]

The real ground reality is that your Ghauri is nothing but a modified north korean nodong-1, Abdali is
a pakistan-painted chinese m-11 MRBM...shaheen/ghaznavi/nasr have guidance and gyroscopic technologies
are all years behind those used on the Agni-2 Prime...babur is a simple tomahawk copy (but damn...eventhough
tom. can reach out to 2500km, babur's max range is only 750km!), ra'ad..well, you ought to research some
reliable info, ra'ad's accuracy/CEP coupled with the glide profile are by far one of the worst air launched cruise
missiles i've ever heard of.

"Wake up and smell the s***"...??? Hmm...if your "s***" meant all your missiles of 70s and 80s tech, we've
all been smelling it for years, and completely unimpressed by your stagnating unability to build a mere IRBM
of ATLEAST 3500km range minimum, while we would test-fire our ICBMs soon enough...wake up and smell
the fragrence

never troll back...let the other guy show his stupidity and mentality....

Ground realty is you have the fastest growing AIDS population. Ground realty is 65% of population can't even take a dump in privacy. Ground realty is the streets of Calcata and Bombay are filled with people sleeping on footpaths.Ground reality is Ghaury, Abdali, Shaheen, Ghaznavi, Raad, Babur Nsar will be exploding on your $50 billion purchases bacha. wake up and smell the s***.

Didn't actually answer the question , I notice.....

Well, do you really think any single saudi arms deal would run into $20 billions?? Do you think saudis would
purchase 126 (could grow to 200) fighter jets from aboard at a single deal? No, they cant. Another thing is,
not only the competing six companies but also various other countries like Brazil, UAE, Oman etc. were
keenly watching the M-MRCA decision, to see if they can employ the same procedure to select combat
planes for purchase, the saudi deals aren't looked upon with such great earnest, especially because
if their deals are basically managed/corrupted by the kings.

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We dont disagree that negotiations for FC-20 are ongoing, but nothing is OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED, like,
for instance, the exact number of aircraft that would be purchased, or on what variant of J-10 (A/B) the
FC-20 would be based on. Whereas in the M-MRCA, the 126 planes purchase is CONFIRMED officially, there's
no doubt, the thing that remained to be sorted out until recently was WHICH aircraft would be purchased,
as it is a competitive tender, not HOW MANY, WHEN, or WHETHER the purchase will take place or not, which
is the case of the FC-20 deal, which is direct govt-to-govt deal, no tender.

That is exactly why the aquisitions do not get delayed in Pakistan and China...they keep the negotiations hushed up until one day suddenly they release a date and the info when the everything is confirmed.....

 

[Gessler]

That is exactly why the aquisitions do not get delayed in Pakistan and China...they keep the negotiations hushed up until one day suddenly they release a date and the info when the everything is confirmed.....

Yes, they never tell the exact dates...cause they themselves are not sure of anything, but if the negotiating
stand is compromised, it's always a long story, for example they were negotiating with china for frigate ships
(like f22p) since the 90s...but actually got them only in mid to late 2000s.

Talking of china's better infrastructure, they should've built the ships much quicker, f22p is not such
a specialised frigate either...but however a lot of time was taken because of various problems in
negotiation and etc.

 

[araz]

Yes, they never tell the exact dates...cause they themselves are not sure of anything, but if the negotiating
stand is compromised, it's always a long story, for example they were negotiating with china for frigate ships
(like f22p) since the 90s...but actually got them only in mid to late 2000s.

Talking of china's better infrastructure, they should've built the ships much quicker, f22p is not such
a specialised frigate either...but however a lot of time was taken because of various problems in
negotiation and etc.

Negotiations take as long as they have to. You aught to know better having seen the pace of Indian MMRCA trials and selection. If I may say it is still not finalized. Pakistan unlike you has additional problems with its financing which requires additional negotiations. The last thing which I need to say is that you can bet your bottom dollar, PAF will not announce the FC20 deal till such time that the Indian MMRCA deal with the specs of the choice(Rafale in this case) is out. If you are half as wise as I think you are, you will work out the reasons. Technically we are at the same stage as you are, negotiating on price and specs. PAF has a habit to change specs from time to time and our chinese friends oblige us for various reasons. It is not without reason that we have a strong contingent of Aeronautical engineers in China. So no, at this time no date can be given and the announcement may come after the Indian MMRCA contract signature.
Araz

 

[araz]

The real ground reality is that your Ghauri is nothing but a modified north korean nodong-1, Abdali is
a pakistan-painted chinese m-11 MRBM...shaheen/ghaznavi/nasr have guidance and gyroscopic technologies
are all years behind those used on the Agni-2 Prime...babur is a simple tomahawk copy (but damn...eventhough
tom. can reach out to 2500km, babur's max range is only 750km!), ra'ad..well, you ought to research some
reliable info, ra'ad's accuracy/CEP coupled with the glide profile are by far one of the worst air launched cruise
missiles i've ever heard of.

"Wake up and smell the s***"...??? Hmm...if your "s***" meant all your missiles of 70s and 80s tech, we've
all been smelling it for years, and completely unimpressed by your stagnating unability to build a mere IRBM
of ATLEAST 3500km range minimum, while we would test-fire our ICBMs soon enough...wake up and smell the fragrence...baccha

My friend
The ground reality is you know jack!!! So hush up and listen to people who know things here, that is if you wqant to learn. Keep your hate to yourself!! We can not and are not in comparison with India. We are a separate nation with our own needs which we develop within the confines of our own limitations. At least be man enough to own, that within those parameters we do a very good job.
with regards to develpomental philosophies, there are 2 main ones. India and Pakistan are prime examples of each of them. Thereare different pros and cons to each of them, but the bottom line is, none is necessarily a wrong one. I have elaborated at length that utilizing the same philosophies, we have had successes like Al khalid , and FC17 and various missiles, which may not be as good as the US ones, but will still do the job adequately. Youy too have had a lot of succeses and a few failures. I think it is because technologically you are where china was 1 decade ago. it does not mean that your Tejas is a failure, all it means is that it will eventually get you what you want through a different route.
Now for the last time stop spamming and have some constructive thinking. God has given you a brain use it positively to benefit all of us as well as your self.
Regards
Araz

 

[sancho]

J-10B Vigorous Dragon

Source please!

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

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Source please!

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force
happy now.

 

[Donatello]

Seriously, the quality of new Indian Members is so low, that is is shameful for all of PDF.

Why do they hijack every thread?

 

[sancho]

Seriously, the quality of new Indian Members is so low, that is is shameful for all of PDF.

Why do they hijack every thread?

It gets even more frustrating, when you have "senior" Chinese and Pakistani (tr..) members doing the same as well. So it has nothing to do with new or old, or with the origin, but with the behaviour of certain people. I understand your point, but please don't generalise it!

 

[Farooqi1]

Seriously, the quality of new Indian Members is so low, that is is shameful for all of PDF.

Why do they hijack every thread?

I don't know what Indians are doing over here. Just to brag may be?