Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[alimobin memon]

first of all flankers aren't good for dogfight against multirole single engine small size fighters

 

[SBD-3]

first of all flankers aren't good for dogfight against multirole single engine small size fighters

Dont make claims which you can not substantiate

 

[Beast]

Dont make claims which you can not substantiate

Precisely, flanker has great agility and in fact is a good dog
Fighter... But it's huge size did put it at disadvantage during dogfight against smaller fighter. It's easier to eyeball a huge flanker than a small J-7 fighter during confusing twist and turn of dogfighting....

But that is not the point. J-10 definitely can out turn a flanker or F-16 in High sPeed, High attitude chase...

 

[houshanghai]

J10B with WS10B

 

[rAli]

xie xie houshanghai, for the great pics!

Do you thing WS-10B has TVC, if we think of the engine nozzle to be of three parts from outer edge to the planes body (the petals, outer ring and then inner ring). The outer ring seems to have a curve that could be a dual axis TVC? sorry for making up the terms pretty sure there are proper names for these components.

 

[houshanghai]

xie xie houshanghai, for the great pics!

Do you thing WS-10B has TVC, if we think of the engine nozzle to be of three parts from outer edge to the planes body (the petals, outer ring and then inner ring). The outer ring seems to have a curve that could be a dual axis TVC? sorry for making up the terms pretty sure there are proper names for these components.

sorry,sir
i only know WS10 engine must have TVC version in future.
but ,is there a TVC nozzle in the current WS10B ?I am not sure.

 

[Donatello]

Why do they have to use a drag chute to slow the plane down? Doesn't it increase the turn around time?

 

[SQ8]

Why do they have to use a drag chute to slow the plane down? Doesn't it increase the turn around time?

Reduces wear on the tires and brakes..Which arent exactly cheap.

 

[S10]

no, block 60 are wayy better than J-10A or B.
everything about that aircraft is perfect, it even uses higher thrust engines. most powerful ever built for f-16s.
everything that J-10B has, Block 60 also has it and on top of that its a proven platform!

You are aware of every sub-systems onboard J-10B? Man, CAC needs to tighten up their security...or maybe that's just a statement without evidence on your part.

battle proven was just ONE point that i mentioned..
Block 60 is a very capable aircraft, and definetly is better than J-10B.
the payload it can carry is very diverse, it can basically carry any weapon that USAF has in its arsenal...
with more powerful engine and radar, it is one of the deadliest aircraft!

Heh. Since Block 30, F-16 has been losing its kinematic advantage. With each new block, more weight had been added. Engine thrust is not the only factor in determining instantaneous manoevurability. The other half has to do with wing loading. With added weight and higher wing loading, Block 60 is slower than Block 30 in climb and turn rates. If radar was the sole determining factor, then we'd be seeing AWACS loaded with missiles.

Without knowing how J-10B performs, you sure seem to draw along of conclusions out of nothing.

 

[Beast]

You are aware of every sub-systems onboard J-10B? Man, CAC needs to tighten up their security...or maybe that's just a statement without evidence on your part.


Heh. Since Block 30, F-16 has been losing its kinematic advantage. With each new block, more weight had been added. Engine thrust is not the only factor in determining instantaneous manoevurability. The other half has to do with wing loading. With added weight and higher wing loading, Block 60 is slower than Block 30 in climb and turn rates. If radar was the sole determining factor, then we'd be seeing AWACS loaded with missiles.

Without knowing how J-10B performs, you sure seem to draw along of conclusions out of nothing.

Fully agree with you. I don't know why some Pakistan member is so obsess with American thing? Any strong empire will fall, new empire wil rise. Better things will come out and overtake others.

America is an enemy of Pakistan. No more dream of getting more American things, please.

 

[krash]

Why do they have to use a drag chute to slow the plane down? Doesn't it increase the turn around time?

Adding to what Santro said the chutes come in cartridges. No need to fold up the recently used chute to put it back in. Just take out the last cartridge and replace it with a new one and you have a ready to use drag chute quicker than the pilot is back from his bathroom break.

 

[SBD-3]

sorry,sir
i only know WS10 engine must have TVC version in future.
but ,is there a TVC nozzle in the current WS10B ?I am not sure.

Apparently does not seems to have a TVC nozzle. WS-10G is expected to have TVC....

 

[SBD-3]

You are aware of every sub-systems onboard J-10B? Man, CAC needs to tighten up their security...or maybe that's just a statement without evidence on your part.


Heh. Since Block 30, F-16 has been losing its kinematic advantage. With each new block, more weight had been added. Engine thrust is not the only factor in determining instantaneous manoevurability. The other half has to do with wing loading. With added weight and higher wing loading, Block 60 is slower than Block 30 in climb and turn rates. If radar was the sole determining factor, then we'd be seeing AWACS loaded with missiles.

Without knowing how J-10B performs, you sure seem to draw along of conclusions out of nothing.

Two notable things here
1- We neither have the complete information about Bl-60 systems nor we had any information about J-10B. Yet a statement can be made with reasonable certainty that Block 60 system are relatively more matured than J-10B systems. While Block 60 will have certain advantages based on its system, J-10B will have its own.
2- Both fighters belong to different concept designs while J-10B is more suitable for Supersonic manuvering (thanks Canards) and tighter turn rates at supersonic speeds (thanks delta wings).The drag created by delta is enormous and subsonic performance is disturbed. Falcon's conventional design is agile at subsonic and trans-sonic maneuverability, but lacks the same at supersonic speeds. so Falcon is ideal for low level engagements,A2G,AShR,WW roles. J-10B is ideal for high speed interceptions,Escorts,Strike, Stand off delivery,Precision attack and air superiority.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Two notable things here
1- We neither have the complete information about Bl-60 systems nor we had any information about J-10B. Yet a statement can be made with reasonable certainty that Block 60 system are relatively more matured than J-10B systems. While Block 60 will have certain advantages based on its system, J-10B will have its own.
2- Both fighters belong to different concept designs while J-10B is more suitable for Supersonic manuvering (thanks Canards) and tighter turn rates at supersonic speeds (thanks delta wings).The drag created by delta is enormous and subsonic performance is disturbed. Falcon's conventional design is agile at subsonic and trans-sonic maneuverability, but lacks the same at supersonic speeds. so Falcon is ideal for low level engagements,A2G,AShR,WW roles. J-10B is ideal for high speed interceptions,Escorts,Strike, Stand off delivery,Precision attack and air superiority.

well said...
concise information.....
our block 52 are suitable for us and j-10 will augment our air defence

 

[Sanchez]

Folks, if J-10B were not in the same league as F-16 bl60, Typhoon and Rafale, what's the point to have it? J-10b has an AESA of over 1100 T/R modules, updated avionics and a standard engine of 132kn (FWS10B, maybe later changed to FWS10G with 145kn). I think that it would depend on the skills and experience of a pilot to maximize the performance of these machines. My 2 cents...