Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Kompromat]

New (overtly) armed UAV programmes included AVIC's Predator-class Pterodactyl 1, COSIC's jet-powered WJ-600 (said to be in service and operational with an unidentified customer)

Who is that customer ???

 

[houshanghai]

Chengdu J-10 Next Variant Developing


Nov 19, 2010



By Reuben F. Johnson
ZHUHAI, China

Chengdu Aerospace’s most famous product, the J-10 fighter aircraft, made its inaugural appearance at Zhuhai’s Air Show China in 2008, offering one of the most remarkable flight displays of the event. In the intervening two years, the program has made notable progress.

The J-10’s evolution mirrors that of another famous single-engine fighter aircraft, the Lockheed Martin F-16 in more than one respect.

One of the F-16’s major developmental milestones was the introduction of a second, alternate engine, the F110-GE-100, which at the time produced 6,000 lbs more thrust than the F-100-PW-100/220 that was the aircraft’s original power plant. In the same vein, Chinese industry has been hard at work to complete testing and development of the Liming Aeroengine Manufacturing Corporation (LMAC) WS-10A engine.

According to Chinese news reports, the WS-10A has been flying on board prototype aircraft of the J-10’s next block-series development, which has been designated as J-10B. The WS-10A will replace the Salyut AL-31FN engine, which was the aircraft’s original power plant.

Included as part of the J-10B’s configuration is an entirely new design for the engine inlet, which has changed from the rectangular configuration developed for the AL-31FN to an oval-shaped inlet. This again parallels the F-16’s development in which a “big mouth” inlet was developed for the aircraft to provide an increase in air flow for the enhanced thrust of the GE F110 engine.

In the modern day, however, what makes the major difference in combat aircraft performance is the capability of the on-board electronic systems. Chinese industry officials told Aviation Weel that a new line of products is in development to replace some of the major pod container systems in use now on the J-10 and other aircraft.

Most notable here is the CETC KG300G electronic warfare pod, which will be redesigned in a new variant that expands the frequency bandwidths it can cover. Also in development is a new-generation active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that would replace the aircraft’s current mechanically-steered array. “AESA radars are a major improvement for any fighter aircraft,” said one Chinese designer, “in that it provides a significant increase in reliability and radar performance.”

Photo: Douglas Barrie

Chengdu J-10 Next Variant Developing | AVIATION WEEK

 

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[fatman17]

Who is that customer ???

hee.hee.....!!!

 

[PakSher]

This is the logic of Chinese engineers, sir.

jf-17would defeated f-16c/d.I'm sure.

PAF pilot during training and exercise have dog fights with all air crafts. Pilots that flew the F-16s for years were transferred to Mirages, F7s and there have been many occasions that Mirages and F7s have performed cold kills of F-16s. If that is possible JF17 should also be able to defeat the F-16.

 

[wangrong]

 

[Indestructible]

J-10 does not have wing tip rails???

 

[Arsalan]

hee.hee.....!!!

great rep sir jee,,

well we dont know, who is going to get it,,
no, we really dont

Originally posted by Indestructible
J-10 does not have wing tip rails???

who said this bro??

J-10 have 11 hardpoints,
two on wing tips,
siz under wings (three on both sides)
one centerline under fuselage and two light hardpoints under fuselage just under air inlet.

i hope it helps


regards!

 

[TaimiKhan]

J-10 does not have wing tip rails???

Nops, it does not has any wing tip rails.

It has 11 hard points, 3 under each wing and 5 under the fuselage belly.

The picture in Wangrong's post is of a fully loaded J-10, all 6 hardpoints under the wings loaded, as well as the 5 hardpoints under the main body are also loaded.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Nops, it does not has any wing tip rails.

It has 11 hard points, 3 under each wing and 5 under the fuselage belly.

The picture in Wangrong's post is of a fully loaded J-10, all 6 hardpoints under the wings loaded, as well as the 5 hardpoints under the main body are also loaded.

j-10 have 11 hard points while FC-20 will have 11 hard points too but would not be having backward fuselage hard points (near to landing gears) instead it will have wingtip rails. The picture Arsalanslam has posted up is actually assumed FC-20 not J-10.

 

[TaimiKhan]

j-10 have 11 hard points while FC-20 will have 11 hard points too but would not be having backward fuselage hard points (near to landing gears) instead it will have wingtip rails. The picture Arsalanslam has posted up is actually assumed FC-20 not J-10.

The CGI picture is of an advanced or a future variant of J-10 by Chinese sources.

Whether FC-20 would be like this or not, is for now not clear.

As the current J-10B, the rumored to be future variant of FC-20 has for now no wing tip rails.

Its easy to show the rails in CGI pictures, but in reality it depends on the aerodynamic profile, does the wing tip rails have affect on the aerodynamic characteristics of the plane or not, would decide whether any future variant will have or not. As my understanding is, had there been no major aerodynamic problem attached to wing tip rails for J-10, Chinese manufacturers would have added it at initial stages, but since the aerodynamic profile of the J-10 is different, it may have not been added as it would have caused some problems in its flying characteristics.

So, end result is, if it has no problems for the flying profile of the plane, they will get added, if it has issues with this delta cum canard design, they may not add it.

Plus, its good if its added, then we can have 13 hard points, as the removal of 2 hard points from fuselage would be a weak point rather then plus point. China has come up with smaller PGM munitions, 50KG & 100KG bombs, which loaded on the J-10 will give it more lethality as it can target more targets without the issue of payload crossing the limit.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

The CGI picture is of an advanced or a future variant of J-10 by Chinese sources.

Whether FC-20 would be like this or not, is for now not clear.

As the current J-10B, the rumored to be future variant of FC-20 has for now no wing tip rails.

Its easy to show the rails in CGI pictures, but in reality it depends on the aerodynamic profile, does the wing tip rails have affect on the aerodynamic characteristics of the plane or not, would decide whether any future variant will have or not. As my understanding is, had there been no major aerodynamic problem attached to wing tip rails for J-10, Chinese manufacturers would have added it at initial stages, but since the aerodynamic profile of the J-10 is different, it may have not been added as it would have caused some problems in its flying characteristics.

So, end result is, if it has no problems for the flying profile of the plane, they will get added, if it has issues with this delta cum canard design, they may not add it.

Plus, its good if its added, then we can have 13 hard points, as the removal of 2 hard points from fuselage would be a weak point rather then plus point. China has come up with smaller PGM munitions, 50KG & 100KG bombs, which loaded on the J-10 will give it more lethality as it can target more targets without the issue of payload crossing the limit.

well v had seen Jf-17s DSI intake and ECM device mounted on tail,for the first time a Chinese GCI. people were surprised...
same it looks like with FC-20,to me.
above picture shows the same aircraft named as FC-20 as posted by Arsalan Aslam. it was posted here http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/3218-j-10-fc-20-mrca-169.html by a WANGRONG the most credible Chinese source on PDF. plus it also shows J-10b.

of course Fc-20 will based on J-10b but a little modified.

Also the 12th & 13th of backward fuselage will not be able to load any thing more thee mk81 of less weighing bomb(less then 150 kg), because of length. there is not much space b/w landing gears and Hardpoints.

 

[TaimiKhan]

well v had seen Jf-17s DSI intake and ECM device mounted on tail,for the first time a Chinese GCI. people were surprised...
same it looks like with FC-20,to me.
above picture shows the same aircraft named as FC-20 as posted by Arsalan Aslam. it was posted here http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/3218-j-10-fc-20-mrca-169.html by a WANGRONG the most credible Chinese source on PDF. plus it also shows J-10b.

of course Fc-20 will based on J-10b but a little modified.

Also the 12th & 13th of backward fuselage will not be able to load any thing more thee mk81 of less weighing bomb(less then 150 kg), because of length. there is not much space b/w landing gears and Hardpoints.

I agree with what you are saying, but as i said, CGI are easy to make, but in reality it depends on the planes aerodynamic profile. If wind model tests are positive, no prob is why not getting it. I am not contesting that it can not have them, all i am saying for now no real life example to suggest that it will be having them.

And even a 50/100KG bomb each on the 12 & 13th hard point behind the fuselage can be of great help, as 2 more targets can be attacked in the same sortie or more PGMs can be launched for one target. China has come up with a 50KG and 100KG JDAM styled munitions, which can be used for good.

So, i am all in for the wing tip rails, it will added more hard points if we want.

 

[Kompromat]

according to this CGI the FC-20 will have CFTs too.

 

[Kompromat]

I have made things a little easier