Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Nahraf]

Nahraf..These are rumors, myths, and tidbits of information mixed together since there are no facts available. Hopefully FC-20 project will be as successful as JF-17 project.

Actually what we know of J-10A is already impressive. Facts like AESA radar in development for J-10B and so on. I would suggest news ones to go through start off with page 1 of J-10 thread.

We were specifically discussing the capabilities of FC-20. J-10B is an upgraded variant of the J-10A. While FC-20 is export version of J-10B. We know many capabilities of J-10A and take it as a base model. What I am saying is that we do not know the enhanced capabilities of FC-20.

 

[SBD-3]

We were specifically discussing the capabilities of FC-20. J-10B is an upgraded variant of the J-10A. While FC-20 is export version of J-10B. We know many capabilities of J-10A and take it as a base model. What I am saying is that we do not know the enhanced capabilities of FC-20.

but we can certainly say that they will be at least on par with J-10B and you can see what goodies are there on J-10B

 

[SBD-3]

Nothing is what it seems.

Not until our boys actually fly these birds home.

yes indeed it may be and may not be....but given the ongoing JXX development, Chinese 4.5th gens will certainly benifit and work as test beds for these systems......

 

[SQ8]

In 2005 there was no J-10B (i.e. 4.5 gen) variant...and J-10B first flew in 2008 and has since been in testing. Until the 2014~2015 initial delivery date, we can expect the J-10B to undergo further improvements and additions. The additional time will allow us to acquire a long-range AESA radar alongside a top notch ECM/EW kit in league of whats used on Rafale & Typhoon; ensure integration of next-generation weapon-systems in class of Meteor and IRIS-T; and potentially secure a higher performance engine with TVC and maybe even super-cruise. Remember, FC-20 is PAF's answer to the Indian MRCA...and according to the Chinese, the J-10B will likely end up utilizing the subsystems (avionics, ECM/EW, etc) of the 5th generation fighters.

Its a nice jet, But No answer.. I think its about time we stop thinking of tit for tat countering matches and instead focus on operational needs and what matches that...
The FC-20 probably fits the bill for long range strike escort for the PAF.. considering most of the Falcons will be delegated to the deeper strategic strikes.
India's purchase too is for its own needs and not a "counter" to anything.

 

[Kompromat]

Its a nice jet, But No answer.. I think its about time we stop thinking of tit for tat countering matches and instead focus on operational needs and what matches that...
The FC-20 probably fits the bill for long range strike escort for the PAF.. considering most of the Falcons will be delegated to the deeper strategic strikes.
India's purchase too is for its own needs and not a "counter" to anything.

I dont agree with that assessment , FC-20(J-10B) is a state of the art fighter which is as capable as any jet India would field up after MMRCA competition.

PAF Tends to field up true "Multirole" fighter jets ie F-16's which meet up most of our requirements.

This is why PAF Engineers are working closely in FC-20 Program to get their needs catered in the Development.

Having said that , the idea that Fc-20 is a Bill fitting aircraft that could escort the Long range strikes is nonsense.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Indian mindset is of air dominance and air superiority---and that is what reflects in their equipment---the su 30. Once you have those systems in place---to counter it---anything less than that doesnot work.

The counter effect doesnot have to match in numbers---one on one---but in substance and material---whereas the opponent has 120 aircraft on their side---on our side---we can do very well with 36 to 48 aircraft. We can't match them in numbers---we don't need to match them in numbers.

War is more of a psychological game and the weapons systems and air dominance fighters of today have really taken it to a diiferent level.

The AIR DOMINANCE FGHTER is not a fighter of the old---it is not the fighter that our grand daddy grew up with. True to its name---it is what it says. It is meant for air superiority---that is what its job is---that is what it is designed for---and in the end that is what it will deliver.

Now where inida has gone onto the right in your face large---massive---aggressive kind of aircraft---pak still wants to stay with sleek---slender---tactical---easy to operate and easy to maintain kind of aircrafts. Two air forces---right next to each other---two different kind of aircrafts for air superiority and each one of them defines an image as to how they would get into the battlefield.

 

[Quwa]

Its a nice jet, But No answer.. I think its about time we stop thinking of tit for tat countering matches and instead focus on operational needs and what matches that...
The FC-20 probably fits the bill for long range strike escort for the PAF.. considering most of the Falcons will be delegated to the deeper strategic strikes.
India's purchase too is for its own needs and not a "counter" to anything.

FC-20 is a 4+/4.5 generation fighter like the MMRCA...it is the answer.

AS for long-range strike into India, this will primarily be conducted through the use of long-range stand-off weapon-systems, such as Ra'ad, H2/H4 etc. Interestingly, the fighters to be equipped with these will be FC-20 and JF-17.

Higher risk missions may involve ARMs (MAR-1), A2G missiles (similar to AASM), and JDAM/PGBs - but F-16 will not be the only fighter to be equipped with these weapons. Sure, F-16 has the JDAM-series...but JF-17 and FC-20 can potentially use the Denel Umbani or Ukrainian BAU-01K, which essentially use the same concept. But even then, the Denel Umbani can apparently go up to 120km with specific configurations, and with a module, up to 200km range.

Although, I do believe more priority needs to be put into developing a 1000~1200km ALCM similar to JASSM as well as a tactical <300km ALCM like Storm Shadow.

 

[SBD-3]

I dont agree with that assessment , FC-20(J-10B) is a state of the art fighter which is as capable as any jet India would field up after MMRCA competition.

PAF Tends to field up true "Multirole" fighter jets ie F-16's which meet up most of our requirements.

This is why PAF Engineers are working closely in FC-20 Program to get their needs catered in the Development.

Having said that , the idea that Fc-20 is a Bill fitting aircraft that could escort the Long range strikes is nonsense.

I agree with santro that FC-20 will be a more of a A2A superiority deterrence. We already have a decent number of MRFs. What PAF now needs is a capable aircraft that can shelter them from ASFs or interceptors. According to Chinese posters even though the A2G in J-10B is improved but A2A is improved manifold. Which Implies that PAF is looking to enhance its strike capability but also a better interception of incoming strike package where FC-20s may be used to take out escorts while Thunders or Vipers to engage the strike package

 

[siegecrossbow]

I was insane enough to go through every single comment on this thread and I don't think this question has been asked. What is the NATO callsign for the J-10. I know, like everyone on this forum, that the nickname is "Vigorous Dragon" but that doesn't follow the NATO protocol of starting the names of fighters with the letter F. Besides, isn't Vigorous Dragon a bit of a mouthful to say and as a result defeats the purpose of the callsign in the first place?

I've asked this on sinodefence but no one seems to know the answer. Hopefully someone here could enlighten me. Thanks.

 

[SBD-3]

I was insane enough to go through every single comment on this thread and I don't think this question has been asked. What is the NATO callsign for the J-10. I know, like everyone on this forum, that the nickname is "Vigorous Dragon" but that doesn't follow the NATO protocol of starting the names of fighters with the letter F. Besides, isn't Vigorous Dragon a bit of a mouthful to say and as a result defeats the purpose of the callsign in the first place?

I've asked this on sinodefence but no one seems to know the answer. Hopefully someone here could enlighten me. Thanks.

it may be f-10 vanguard

 

[siegecrossbow]

I do hope that NATO goes by the Pakistani designation. Vanguard is a great name and sure beats unpleasant names like frogfoot, fishbed, and even faggot.

 

[SBD-3]

I do hope that NATO goes by the Pakistani designation. Vanguard is a great name and sure beats unpleasant names like frogfoot, fishbed, and even faggot.

Yeah! I dont know.... J-7 is also named as skybolt....I haven't even heard the NATO designation for JFT...AFA my guess J-11's designation is flanker B ryt?

 

[Indiarox]

Yeah! I dont know.... J-7 is also named as skybolt....I haven't even heard the NATO designation for JFT...AFA my guess J-11's designation is flanker B ryt?

Isn't Flanker designation only give to Sukhoi 's of the T-10 series(T-10 Flanker A)
Falkner-B is the Designation for the Su-27

 

[Indiarox]

I do hope that NATO goes by the Pakistani designation. Vanguard is a great name and sure beats unpleasant names like frogfoot, fishbed, and even faggot.

Those names a pathetic when compared to the Planes they designated who were really Awesome .

Vanguard would be a nice name for the F-10

 

[SBD-3]

Isn't Flanker designation only give to Sukhoi 's of the T-10 series(T-10 Flanker A)
Falkner-B is the Designation for the Su-27

I think Whole SU series is generally called Flanker...SU-35 is specifically called Super Flanker and Su-37 is named a terminator