Improved version of SU-30MKI VS J-10B
sunli1217 on 2009-8-21 00:46: All the Western media on the Su-30MKI have a high rating. 。 . 。 .
I stand mountain high:
When a high rating? In addition to the Comedy of the F-22 MKI overwhelming outside investigation? Redflag in Laomi the F-15 DF only to easily drill its brain out, and that TVC is not using the degree of home, Poststall chaos to the results beaten.
Westerner himself evaluation of SKM operational effectiveness than MKI, MKI actually also nerve to get to than the new 35 SM2. The essence of Mao's technology will be reflected in the Soviet -50, including the Su -35, MKI or step aside it.
Boulders and more clouds: so that MKI is equivalent to what level? F16BLOCK52 air is better than not?
I stand on top of mountains 2009-8-21 01:29
Do not expect too complacent. What qualifications and BLK52 MKI ratio? Astra performance is higher than the AIM-120C7? Or BARS than APG-68V5 / 7? Is R-73 is better than AIM-9X? First aim is simple beat JHMCS? AL-31FP thrust increases put into effect? How it 122.6KN also stop there? TVC nozzle can be brought about? Post Stall What are the consequences of improper use effect? AT the TVC pretending you this AVEN, no combination of aerodynamic design can play a number of performance? The RWR, ECM, ECCM, towed decoy so the hair simply no technical essence to the MKI, do not talk and Laomi compared to the. Mao Su -35 people there is the real good stuff.
I stand mountain high 2009-8-21 12:54
11B is lower than 10B, 10B to play the role of Su -35, four generations ahead.
erwinhans erwinhans
J-11B J-10B worse than where it? Avionics are amplified at the ....
I stand mountain high
If you read the avionics architecture would not have said so.
PUPU has been said, 11B 10A stronger than in theory, but now look, or 10A is more reliable, even after considering tactics is the most capable air combat aircraft.
Of course, you can say no on the very line 11B is not complete until the state of 11B, 11B, etc. only to full status, and it is more than a 10B, not 10A.
socket on 2009-8-21
SU30MKI weight of two tons, the engine thrust has not changed, first of all a lot of thrust-weight ratio on the decline,
sunli1217 sunli1217
SU30MKI because the radar heavy, so only use the canard to trim weight, engine thrust has not changed how do you know?
I stand mountain high:
Kanwa的数据略增一点
981210d.html Kanwa slightly increased data point
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[url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread199779/pg1]AL-31FP/Su 30 MKI : 3D TVC or enhanced 2D TVC?, page 1 that no changed altogether.
If the push to have increased significantly, then the flow of T4 changed or changed?
sunli1217 sunli1217
Even if the thrust has not changed but SU30MKI a vector tail jet, although the life span is not long, but in war enough.
I stand mountain high:
TVC manually operated vents had better not copy the F-22 This combination of aerodynamic design, the fire pushed one flight TVC design effect. People forget TVC jet F-119 is still more than 10 of the weight of T / W, you AL-31 would have the U.S. standard T / W is only 7.14, add 110 kg more FC the vents. Two gave hundreds of kilograms of weight the aircraft it originally MKI on weight gain, and the next like dead ducks. And two-seat Su -27 resistance is relatively large, stood Haohao De insisted not to use single-seat two-seat configuration, but still maintains the development of F-15D / E, and F-14's kind of low resistance two-seat cockpit, which for MKI already insufficient thrust is too worse the. General mobility can be very bad MKI must not be better than the MKK where to go. As for the TVC to give the Post-stall capacity, in the exercise had already been fully demonstrated Redflag passed, at least not well Asan use this feature, but lost to hover performance data often do not own nice F-15.
sunli1217 sunli1217
In the case of electronic equipment and a very heavy mid-sized fighter aircraft or the more obvious advantages.
I stand mountain high:
Will the two aerodynamic design of an era it? Will the Soviet Union's flight control to -27 J-10 level? MKI you spend the legendary KSU-142M does not?？ Where is your child that advantage of it?
sbtcsem:
AL-31FP who is popular on this? Why do I find the data is 132kN?
erwinhans:
126/128, should not 132
Zhong Yan:
Yesterday, several of us all in the same batch of 35 new radar data, we 11b of 14XX, desperate to expand antenna diameter, more than one meter, can meet nearly f22 radar purposes. F22 to 5 square meters goal is 240km, 35 not expand in diameter, less than one meter, he always has the power density electronic devices as we and the United States and Europe, you said that the power of how to expand ah? American f22 destined phased array, the power density than us and bigger in Europe, barely do 5 m 240km, Westerner a broken radar, still shouting 400km, or 3 square meters of the target, Westerner's caliber and f22's almost, you If the Westerner said the tradition of honest and radar under the same conditions to go beyond the United States, How painful, directly and did the old radar forget, do not like the new suicide, the role of distance is three digits.
Zhong Yan Su-30MKK with the high cost of ground attack, as JH-7A, and avionics bad. Acting in 2006 when four of 30 against a s300 position, results in all were shot down before, there is no local position was found. While for the two fertilizer explosive to use, direct dry blasting s300 position themselves unharmed.
I stand mountain high:
How should increase the rear weight, right? 。 Comparison of Su-27B and UB at a glance. Asan MKI position very clear on it? If it is air superiority, why bother with the seat? This high resistance of the seat or, worse than the F-15E of many, it touches on a new two-seater MIG-29 is a low resistance profile. If it is ground, how it on the TVC?
I stand mountain high:
IRBIS-E despite two enlarged, but the average power is 5KW, PESA's shortcomings are not do not know how it is impossible, and APG-77 than the detection range, right?
BARS What is a good stock? What can be comparable to ZHUK-MSF? N001VEP PERO another antenna processing system combined with not less than it was. Mao is not to say people are not good merchandise, but there is not Asan.
IRBIS-E of Peak Power and Average Power were 20KW and 5KW, MAKS on published data, Carlo Kopp, who has been so used. Do not see how the letter before other evidence of other data?
BARS is not a rigid target is indeed a good delivery, but there is no advantage of PD. You have to really say good BARS radar rigid target with MIG-31 on the N-007 are.
.... However, compared to MKK BARS edge detection distance is too narrow a search. While the goal of scanning less, but can be targeted more. But consume a lot less than the MKK power ....
I stand mountain high:
PD did not have the advantage? You mean mechanically scanned antenna, right? Electronic scanning can not escape from pulsed-doppler ah. BARS detection range than N001VEP really big number, but the 14XX in the J-11B was to cry out before. The words I touched in passing, not to downgrade the hair people, after all 14XX and Mao were associated not small.
Do you think BARS can match ZHUK-MSF? Whether power, detection range, gain, or treatment system not a class, good and evil ZHUK-MSF, before the AESA is NIIR in ace, BARS What in the NIIP is the status?
It is not necessary is not, the original JL-10A with the British technology, power density is very high indeed.
607 and 14 are now in rapid development, and there are sources of foreign technology, 14XX and the J-10B's radar more than is rational BARS or something.
Do not count the weight of the mechanical scanning of the APG-68V9 commendable before nor any place, people, but a small antenna 72X48 cm.
erwinhans erwinhans
BARS当然比不上Zhuk-MSF BARS, of course not compare Zhuk-MSF
But not the outgoing incumbent, Zhuk-MAE/AE 30MKI or NIIP with products under the What?
Now the radar, optical calculation power has no meaning, because the development of modern RWR soon, not according to the air situation very precise control of electromagnetic radiation energy itself can not be a good control of their waveform, optical power increases The result is likely to be found each other first. This is TG in actual combat took the lead in the confrontation has been verified.
APG-77 and APG-81 to emphasize not just the power, but DBF waveform caused by a combination of control, burst pulse pseudo-random spread spectrum technology and can bring a low interception rate and the resulting health of powerful electromagnetic confrontation capacity. They stressed that the availability of complex electromagnetic environment, rather than mere theoretical detection range
...... F-35's APG-81 is actually a conformal antenna system, to do with the part of the communications, electronic surveillance, electronic countermeasures antennas and integrated data integration, bringing the overall SA high bonus points, APG-77 + ALR- 94 compared the outcome of the main indicators Shangqie no points (features and upgrade potential is certainly better), the hair that AESA 5 or forget it ......
I stand mountain high:
BARS replaced ZHUK-MAE? Way for radar suppliers? This thing possible? That Vladimir Zagorodniy will certainly take a knife burst into the HAL and NIIR and human Rush's. NIIP next generation products? Five useless on wool will MKI What? Looks around and only IRBIS-E is available. But the MKI's power supply system can support the two amplified monster? ZHUK-MSF average power looks like only 2-3KW, but has been BARS high.
pzgr43 pzgr43
According to various channels of information, Westerner back some of the radar signal processing algorithm is also considerable cattle X, but the Westerner has been plagued by low device performance for decades, the typical example is the 27SK and 30MKI on the weight of electronic devices, almost more than contemporary U.S. aircraft doubled, performance is very or somewhat weaker.
Upstairs Westerner through it that this situation may have improved recently?
prometheus prometheus
Mao Guogong data when snow leopard fabric, very strong domestic and international military response drops of the altar. In the T / R modules and the number of parameters such as power and CIP are behind apg77 circumstances, its very difficult to claim that performance. At that time you want to install in the Soviet Union 35 Snow Leopard, according to Su-35 can provide power supply and cooling systems, the work seems to be difficult for the snow leopard needs to provide effective heat dissipation and thus cause its power is limited to a lower level, there is no possible Legends of the 3RCS detection of more than 400 objects. The newly designed T50 may change the power supply and cooling issues, but still not escape the problem of low integration module.
Served by the progress of the last batch of birds of prey should have changed the mode switch apg77 the module package 81. Raptor design cooling capacity has been considered sufficient to accommodate any lateral upgraded radar. 35 upgrade is limited.
...... 35BM that 400KM distance gaze pattern detection angle and restricts the search ...... great ......
