Check out PAA Z-10 Thunderbolt Pilot headgear

[Blue Marlin]

t-129 would be a death trap. too many sanction prone parts.

Z-10 or Mi-28N one of the two would come. I doubt the yankee would release AH1Z

i thought the only major sanction prone parts are the engines with come from the usa and the uk, and the rest coming from turkey and italy both of which pakistan has good relations with.
any idea on progress with the wz-16 engine?

most likely i would expect pakistan to go for the z-10

 

[YeBeWarned]

t-129 would be a death trap. too many sanction prone parts.

Z-10 or Mi-28N one of the two would come. I doubt the yankee would release AH1Z

for bold part :O ? really ......... i mean PA were expecting their AhZ1 delivery start by 2017

 

[Zarvan]

t-129 would be a death trap. too many sanction prone parts.

Z-10 or Mi-28N one of the two would come. I doubt the yankee would release AH1Z

They are releasing AH 1Z. They can't afford to fully piss us of. As for MI-28 I think yes they should come and better come with at least maintenance centre not if producing them in Pakistan.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Z10

From Bhawalpur

Shooting range

@Windjammer

 

[khanasifm]

The siding look hazard inside a cockpit I mean the edges in a crash, the edges could cut the occupant

Not seen such sharp edges on western attack heli

 

[tigerrock ali]

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ARE we all gonna ignore the Assassin´s Creed Poster on the piller?

 

[CHI RULES]

They are releasing AH 1Z. They can't afford to fully piss us of. As for MI-28 I think yes they should come and better come with at least maintenance centre not if producing them in Pakistan.

Service ceiling of Mi28 is much lower as compared to Z10 and t129

 

[Irfan Baloch]

As i said, if yankeez removed the politics, there is no comparison be it cost performance, technology and maintenance/ lifecycle.

agreed
hands down just no comparison .. the quality and performance is matched (roughly) only by western European countries or Russians

 

[royalharris]

In terms of quality, reliability, maintainability and features, the American equipment is leaps and bounds better than the rest of the world. Like it or hate it, thats the truth.

But gap become narrower and narrower

 

[Beast]

agreed
hands down just no comparison .. the quality and performance is matched (roughly) only by western European countries or Russians

The Russian quality is even a step lower than Chinese. Show more or less your so called knowledge!

You are basing on outdated 20 years ago perception.

One of the reason why China stop buying Russian hardware is the workmanship are not top notched. The money paid is not worth it. Even the India has the same complaint of Russian equipment but too bad Indians has lesser technology and industries to support indigenous and need to continue stick with Russian equipment for the time being.

 

[JohnWick]

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So what the hell happened after 4 years still not inducted @Windjammer ?

@Horus @DESERT FIGHTER @Side-Winder@HRK @Arsalan @Irfan Baloch @Manticore@Indus Falcon @Oscar @Bilal Khan 777

 

[Maarkhoor]

So what the hell happened after 4 years still not inducted @Windjammer ?

@Horus @DESERT FIGHTER @Side-Winder@HRK @Arsalan @Irfan Baloch @Manticore@Indus Falcon @Oscar @Bilal Khan 777

Rejected because of engine power....

 

[Shabi1]

So what the hell happened after 4 years still not inducted @Windjammer ?

@Horus @DESERT FIGHTER @Side-Winder@HRK @Arsalan @Irfan Baloch @Manticore@Indus Falcon @Oscar @Bilal Khan 777

As much as would like to see Z-10 in PA arsenal, I have to admit T-129 and AH-1Z suites PA needs better. For PA high altitude performance is more important as it would be used for COIN and this is where the Z-10 needs improvement as it is a heavier platform intended for anti armor war.

If T-129 doesnt go through by next year only then I expect PA to start ordering Z-10s. Figures given for Z-10 are not confirmed and they change drastically if hot climate.

AgustaWestland_T129_ATAK

• Service ceiling: 6,096 m (20,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 14.0 m/s (2,750 ft/min)

Bell_AH-1Z_Viper

• Service ceiling: 20,000+ ft (6,000+ m)
• Rate of climb: 2,790 ft/min (14.2 m/s)

WZ-10

• Service ceiling: 6,400 m (21,000 ft)[citation needed]
• Rate of climb: 10 m/s (2,000 ft/min) +

Apache
Ceiling: 19,400 feet
Climb rate: 1,595 ft/m (486 m/min)

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Rejected because of engine power....

I think they did tried Z10 ME Recently.
@HRK @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Rashid Mahmood

 

[JohnWick]

As much as would like to see Z-10 in PA arsenal, I have to admit T-129 and AH-1Z suites PA needs better. For PA high altitude performance is more important as it would be used for COIN and this is where the Z-10 needs improvement as it is a heavier platform intended for anti armor war.

If T-129 doesnt go through by next year only then I expect PA to start ordering Z-10s. Figures given for Z-10 are not confirmed and they change drastically if hot climate.

AgustaWestland_T129_ATAK

• Service ceiling: 6,096 m (20,000 ft)
• Rate of climb: 14.0 m/s (2,750 ft/min)

Bell_AH-1Z_Viper

• Service ceiling: 20,000+ ft (6,000+ m)
• Rate of climb: 2,790 ft/min (14.2 m/s)

WZ-10

• Service ceiling: 6,400 m (21,000 ft)[citation needed]
• Rate of climb: 10 m/s (2,000 ft/min) +

Apache
Ceiling: 19,400 feet
Climb rate: 1,595 ft/m (486 m/min)

Z-10 is 100% with spares,engine,training and most importantly not embargoed situation ,available for Pakistan.....
Thats the real edge over T129 .....
Pakistan can also ask them to make a tailor made version for PAA corps.
We can also get TOT with an indengenious production line....

I think they did tried Z10 ME Recently.
@HRK @Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Rashid Mahmood

Rejected because of engine power....

Czz less than T129 or as comparable to its weight ammunition carrying capacity?

@Imran Khan