Chattogram witnessing topmost development.

[Homo Sapiens]

Upgrading Trash management is a difficult and time-consuming process because of the massive amount of centralization of urbanization and demand on housing in Dhaka and other major cities, which is not super high on the list of priorities right now. On top of which, Dhaka has become an industrial city, which was not the intent for a capital city. I am pretty sure when they finally decide to tackle it, they will tackle it far better than the large neighbor country. Just like they have tackled open defecation and gender disparity in education.

When people are troubled to know where next meal will come from, they are lest bothered about the beauty of their surrounding.

 

[Bilal9]

When people are troubled to know where next meal will come from, they are lest bothered about the beauty of their surrounding.

Exactly. I believe we have to,

1. Decentralize industries and SEZ's outside of the main urban areas which has already started.
2. Once floating unskilled and semi-skilled population recedes from major urban areas, beautification steps will come much easier.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

The corruption you may be speaking of is endemic to Asia in general and the subcontinent in particular. So how is it different?? Please talk on point and on topic. We are discussing developmental and infrastructural topic here, not corruption.

I do not know,why some people are putting too much importance on corruption for a country's non development? Corruption is not a significant hindrance of rapid development of a country.If corruption does not reach the level of anarchy than it is not a lethal corruption and a rapidly developing country can cope with it.All the countries which rapidly developed or rapidly developing, advanced despite corruption.China, the fastest growing country in the world for over 30 years, was highly corrupt according to TI. It is still at lower rank on TI's list.Corruption only gradually start to decline when a country reach a certain level of socio-economic progress.We are still in early stage of economic development and in this stage, corruption can not spoil economic development in any significant amount if other metric remain favorable for economic growth.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yet Dhaka manages its trash eloquently.

LOL sure.

The corruption you may be speaking of is endemic to Asia in general and the subcontinent in particular.

Sorry but 3-millioner swamp takes it to a new utter low level (check your rankings + utter stagnancy in corruption perception index, compared to any country in South Asia)

2.1 claimed TFR with teenage pregnancy and child marriage way worse than Afghanistan (and the parallel stats of BD emigrants being the poorest, largest hamster-humping-like families, worst educated, unhealthiest and women oppressing people wherever they move to like the UK and US). Erm ok!

A filthy chagu+chetona deathmatch loser fecal swamp that is in denial about itself.

 

[WebMaster]

A filthy chagu+chetona deathmatch loser fecal swamp that is in denial about itself.

This will not be tolerated here. Decide if you want to continue to post here or have that privilege taken away.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

This will not be tolerated here. Decide if you want to continue to post here or have that privilege taken away.

Thanks for your response sir. And, if you can employ a local mod in this section we can have healthy discussions. Too much trolling and nonsense threads here...

 

[Homo Sapiens]

This will not be tolerated here. Decide if you want to continue to post here or have that privilege taken away.

Thank you very much for your response Sir. He(Nilgiri) is much responsible for turning this section into a bitter place. Many genuinely enthusiastic Bangladeshi members are turning away from PDF for this reason. Some appropriate step as you mentioned would be highly appreciated.Thank you.

 

[Mage]

The corruption you may be speaking of is endemic to Asia in general and the subcontinent in particular.

We're never developing, unless we can get rid of this pathetic subcontinent mindset. 50 ears ago Pakistan was better shaped than South Korea. And now it seems South Korea is 50 years ahead of Pakistan.

Please talk on point and on topic. We are discussing developmental and infrastructural topic here, not corruption.

Yeah...I was talking about how the money supposed to be for development works ends up in the pockets of political leaders and Govt officials. Just because they're spending money to do something doesn't mean that it will be done.

Upgrading Trash management is a difficult and time-consuming process because of the massive amount of centralization of urbanization and demand on housing in Dhaka and other major cities, which is not super high on the list of priorities right now. On top of which, Dhaka has become an industrial city, which was not the intent for a capital city. I am pretty sure when they finally decide to tackle it, they will tackle it far better than the large neighbor country. Just like they have tackled open defecation and gender disparity in education.

This subcontinental habit of complaining without constructive suggestions has to stop.

Better to offer suggestions rather than just complain.

It's not like govt is going to look up and read out suggestions here. Dhaka city should've had a metro 30 years ago...but there are some guys like Shahjahan Khan(Awami League) and S A Khalek(BNP) in the political arena, who are big guys in transportation industry and own thousands of buses, they spent tons of money to lobby against this. These are the guys our people elects. Dhaka elevated expressway work is going for 7 years...and they have finished like 7% of the work. At this rate it will be operational in the next century. And here we think every other projects will be completed in time. I like Awami Leagues development models. But they totally ruin it with their corrupt and incompetent implementation. Give me back the Fakhruddin days.

Yes, there is corruption in BD but please tell me one other country at BD's level of development that is not as corrupt.

They are corrupt...just not as corrupt. 5 years ago those Burmas were much worse in corruption index and look now..they rank better than BD..

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Thank you. A warning like this was much needed.

 

[bluesky]

I do not know,why some people are putting too much importance on corruption for a country's non development? Corruption is not a significant hindrance of rapid development of a country.If corruption does not reach the level of anarchy than it is not a lethal corruption and a rapidly developing country can cope with it.All the countries which rapidly developed or rapidly developing, advanced despite corruption.China, the fastest growing country in the world for over 30 years, was highly corrupt according to TI. It is still at lower rank on TI's list.Corruption only gradually start to decline when a country reach a certain level of socio-economic progress.We are still in early stage of economic development and in this stage, corruption can not spoil economic development in any significant amount if other metric remain favorable for economic growth.

I wonder why you do not know that corruption is the evil that creates inefficiency in the administration and this is why the country remains so far behind. Everyone in the govt. does not take any initiative to do anything unless it personally benefits him. Do you think it is very normal for a country?

Corruption is so widespread only because of the political guys. They are corrupt and that influences other govt people to become corrupt. I do not have to point out that a candidate for Police, for example, has to pay a big amount of money to get the job. Not only a few 4-lane highways but also to get rid of corruption is a part of progress and development. Corruption does not die when the country is developed. It is the other way. A country develops when corruption dies out. Go to the Customs House to know what is called corruption.

 

[UKBengali]

I wonder why you do not know that corruption is the evil that creates inefficiency in the administration and this is why the country remains so far behind. Everyone in the govt. does not take any initiative to do anything unless it personally benefits him. Do you think it is very normal for a country?

Corruption is so widespread only because of the political guys. They are corrupt and that influences other govt people to become corrupt. I do not have to point out that a candidate for Police, for example, has to pay a big amount of money to get the job. Not only a few 4-lane highways but also to get rid of corruption is a part of progress and development. Corruption does not die when the country is developed. It is the other way. A country develops when corruption dies out. Go to the Customs House to know what is called corruption.

You really are an embarrassment.

Total and utter clueless fool you are.

How can anyone be so wrong so many times is beyond me!


"A country develops when corruption dies out"

Yeah right!

Let us look at the examples of S Korea, China and India.
They are all in the same corruption ranking band according to Transparency International but one is a developed country, another one is middle-income and the last one is a 3rd world country where a government minister tells poor people to eat rats to survive!.

PS - In case you missed it but BD is now stamping down hard on people involved in corruption at least in the infrastructure sector. A Chinese company got blacklisted for trying to bribe a government minister over Dhaka-Sylhet 4 lane road, and now an engineer got caught red-handed taking a bribe in order to award a contract. By no means everything is perfect in BD but things are improving for the better.

 

[bluesky]

Let us look at the examples of S Korea, China and India.

Oh!! Seems you forgot to write the corruption reports in other countries. Note the excerpts below to know how corruption is not destroying the South Korean Society to a sinkhole like BD is now.

"Snapshot

Corruption presents moderate risks for businesses operating or planning to invest in South Korea. The Criminal Code criminalizes the main forms of corruption, and the Act on Anti-Corruption and the Establishment and Operation of the Anti-Corruption & Civil Rights Commission includes a Code of Conduct for public-sector employees and regulates conflicts of interest and asset disclosure".

"The Improper Solicitation and Graft Act eliminates a requirement to provide direct evidence between a monetary reward and a favor to secure a corruption conviction and holds companies liable for their employees’ corrupt misconduct. Anti-corruption legislation is increasingly enforced in South Korea. Facilitation payments are prohibited".

"Strict limits for hospitality and gift-giving to public officials have come into force. South Koreans recently witnessed the largest corruption case the country has ever seen. Following numerous allegations of corruption and influence peddling, ex-President Park faced impeachment in late 2016 and was, months later, indicted on charges of bribery, abuse of office and other corruption-related offenses. The scandal has spread to involve the highest echelons of the conglomerate Samsung as well".

@UKBengali, so please do not make up your story on corruption, please. Since our own tails are cut, the Chetona guys like you think that tails of developed nations are also cut. I am surprised to read how a person can support corruption!! India is certainly a corrupt country and that is why it is still limping on development. Some petty officials in the Chinese Communist Party are a little corrupt. But, the scale is not as high as BD. Do not please compare a TIL with TAL. BD does not have yet even a Code of Conduct.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I wonder why you do not know that corruption is the evil that creates inefficiency in the administration and this is why the country remains so far behind. Everyone in the govt. does not take any initiative to do anything unless it personally benefits him. Do you think it is very normal for a country?

We have to be realistic rather than living in a utopia that a poor country like Bangladesh can made least corrupt like Norway or Denmark without becoming a generous and prosperous welfare country like them.They were not such least corrupt in all their history.Both emergence of a welfare state and decrease of corruption gone hand in hand for them. As I have said before, corruption gradually decreases with improvement of socio-economic indicators which takes a lot of time. how you can expect a Bangladeshi constable who earn just 100 dollar per month and live in a deprivation to show same restrain to bribe like a Norwegian police who get 5000 dollar salary per month and a lot of social safety benefit from govt.? this is just one example.

All the developing countries who are marching towards prosperity are doing that despite high level of corruption. Even when Bangladesh was most corrupt country in the world in TI report in 5 consecutive year in 2001-2005, it's GDP still grown at healthy 5-6 percent per year, literacy increased, some development works were done.It was not the doomsday for Bangladesh.Bangladesh recover from that.If we want to believe in your theory, than Bangladesh should never have recovered from that 'most corrupt' tag rather should gone into oblivion.We have to fight corruption and try to improve transparency, no dispute about that, but we also have to be realistic about how much corruption free we can become in current condition.Just because we are among the most corrupt country in the world, does not mean we have no hope of development or we should put a mask of permanent pessimism.

Corruption is so widespread only because of the political guys. They are corrupt and that influences other govt people to become corrupt. I do not have to point out that a candidate for Police, for example, has to pay a big amount of money to get the job. Not only a few 4-lane highways but also to get rid of corruption is a part of progress and development. Corruption does not die when the country is developed. It is the other way. A country develops when corruption dies out. Go to the Customs House to know what is called corruption.

Show me any example of a poor country where corruption died out or at first got corruption free and then experienced economic development? You are getting it completely wrong.For reduction of corruption, strong institutions are required as well as forceful implementation of rule of law, both of which are dependent on socio-economic progress. Moreover, there is no absolute corruption free country in the world, even Norway is least corrupt among the 200, not corruption free or corruption died out there.

 

[Mage]

We have to be realistic rather than living in a utopia that a poor country like Bangladesh can made least corrupt like Norway or Denmark overnight without becoming a generous and prosperous welfare country like them.They were not such least corrupt in all their history.Both emergence of a welfare state and decrease of corruption gone hand in hand for them. As I have said before, corruption gradually decreases with improvement of socio-economic indicators which takes a lot of time. how you can expect a Bangladeshi constable who earn just 100 dollar per month and live in a deprivation to show same restrain to bribe like a Norwegian police who get 5000 dollar salary per month and a lot of social safety benefit from govt.? this is just one example.

All the developing countries who are marching towards prosperity are doing that despite high level of corruption. Even when Bangladesh was most corrupt country in the world in TI report in 5 consecutive year in 2001-2005, it's GDP still grown at healthy 5-6 percent per year, literacy increased, some development works were done.It was not the doomsday for Bangladesh.Bangladesh recover from that.If we want to believe in your theory, than Bangladesh should not have recovered from that 'most corrupt' tag rather should gone into oblivion.We have to fight corruption and try to improve transparency, no dispute about that, but we also have to be realistic about how much corruption free we can become in current condition.Just because we are among the most corrupt country in the world, does not mean we have no hope of development or we should put a mask of permanent pessimism.

Show me any example of a poor country where corruption died out or at first got corruption free and then experienced economic development? You are getting it completely wrong.For reduction of corruption, strong institutions are required as well as forceful implementation of rule of law, both of which are dependent on socio-economic progress. Moreover, there is no absolute corruption free country in the world, even Norway is least corrupt, not corruption free or corruption died out there.

We're not expecting Norway or Denmark like situation in BD.....but lets look at some others. BD's score in CPI is 26. Pakistan's 32 and India's 40. Can we call them as corrupt as BD? Secondly, expecting BD to be better than Myanmar, Sierra Leon, Mozambique, is it too much to ask? BD's corruption index sucks. And what sucks even more is people trying to defend it.

 

[bluesky]

Show me any example of a poor country where corruption died out or at first got corruption free and then experienced economic development? You are getting it completely wrong.For reduction of corruption, strong institutions are required as well as forceful implementation of rule of law, both of which are dependent on socio-economic progress. Moreover, there is no absolute corruption free country in the world, even Norway is least corrupt, not corruption free or corruption died out there.

The reality is all the most corrupt countries remain so far undeveloped and poor. On the other hand, all the today's developed countries had built this asset of non-corruption, and this is one reason that these countries have developed. You are reversing the cause with effects. Corrupt societies can only breed inefficiency that inhibits progress.

 

[TopCat]

We're not expecting Norway or Denmark like situation in BD.....but lets look at some others. BD's score in CPI is 26. Pakistan's 32 and India's 40. Can we call them as corrupt as BD? Secondly, expecting BD to be better than Myanmar, Sierra Leon, Mozambique, is it too much to ask? BD's corruption index sucks. And what sucks even more is people trying to defend it.

This is corruption perception index not the physical corruption. We bengalis have the bad habit of complaining all the time which resulted the index to go down.