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Mutta was completely banned by HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW

Open Book of Saheeh Muslim and Sunan Abu Dawood. Or search google you will find those books online. Mutaa was prohibited on Fateh a Makkah. But people didn't stopped doing it until Umar (RA) banned it completely on the basis that When Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) didn't do it why should you. It's all recorded in Saheeh Muslim. . Even there was a heated argument b/w Ibn e Abbas (RA) and ibn e Zubair (RA) in one of yearly Ijtima after Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) death. Ibn Abbas (RA) was ardent supporter of Mutaa while Ibn e zubair (RA) wasn't. Heated argument once again recorded in Saheeh Muslim.

I hope this time, you would pay more attention to gainiing knowledge before making a uniform opinion instead of rigid one
 
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Its hard to find any Indian who accept that they are physically and mentally inferior then us. hats off :cheers:
Hats off to you. Only a patriotic Pakistani like you can call his inferior way of life superior even though knowing fully well the reality
 
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Open Book of Saheeh Muslim and Sunan Abu Dawood. Or search google you will find those books online. Mutaa was prohibited on Fateh a Makkah. But people didn't stopped doing it until Umar (RA) banned it completely on the basis that When Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) didn't do it why should you. It's all recorded in Saheeh Muslim. . Even there was a heated argument b/w Ibn e Abbas (RA) and ibn e Zubair (RA) in one of yearly Ijtima after Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) death. Ibn Abbas (RA) was ardent supporter of Mutaa while Ibn e zubair (RA) wasn't. Heated argument once again recorded in Saheeh Muslim.

I hope this time, you would pay more attention to gainiing knowledge before making a uniform opinion instead of rigid one

Not sure what this discussion is all about.

When a man and a woman want to "do it", then it doesn't really matter if Mutaa is halal or haram.

Why so many Mullahs and ayatullahs want to watch and legislate when people are "doing it".

This is why I say, ditch the religion as much as you can. Keep the spirituality, keep the traditional prayers for death, birth and marriage.

Anything else is useless for general discussion.

you want to do it. Go ahead. Allah will judge if you did the right thing.

No need to pontificate and lookinto people's pants and skirts.

Thank youl
 
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Not sure what this discussion is all about.

When a man and a woman want to "do it", then it doesn't really matter if Mutaa is halal or haram.

Why so many Mullahs and ayatullahs want to watch and legislate when people are "doing it".

This is why I say, ditch the religion as much as you can. Keep the spirituality, keep the traditional prayers for death, birth and marriage.

Anything else is useless for general discussion.

you want to do it. Go ahead. Allah will judge if you did the right thing.

No need to pontificate and lookinto people's pants and skirts.

Thank youl

Fauji Sahab, discussion is about Ijtihaad. When Hazrat Umar (RA) could do ijtihad then what's the problem if we do it today !
 
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Fauji Sahab, discussion is about Ijtihaad. When Hazrat Umar (RA) could do ijtihad then what's the problem if we do it today !

bhai

you are not Hazrat Umar

and I am definitely not.

He died long long long long long long long long long long time ago.

What he did or did not do in terms of managing affairs of state, is pretty much irrelevant in 2014.

Unless off course you want to live and survive like the sand people of 800 AD.

There is not much to be found in the traditions of of 800 AD.

The world is changing so fast that some of the oncepts that were valid in 2000 AD are not valid anymore.

And you want to convince yourself that you can copy paste stuff from 800 AD.

not happening.
 
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AXOD, You are such an ignorant and shameless person, that you don't even know despite prohibition of Mutaa, people never really stopped doing mutaa. All people used to do mutaa in Abu Bakr (RA) which led to Umar (RA) banning it. Ever heard of Ibn e Abbas (RA) he was a vocal supporter of Mutaa and even had fight with other Sahabi's on it. . Instead of blaming me,, do some research, open Sahi Muslim and read all the related incidents in there. When I say something, it is not based on ignorance but on proper knowledge, try to gain some.

hahahha. i only replied because you said in previous post that umar RA banned it through Ijtihad and now you are saying that it was prohibited but some people use to practice it. so omar RA never give the new ruling on the bases of Ijtihad he only reinforced the ruling given by prophet. in other word he only reinforced sunnah. that is what brother zarvan is trying to say."he said those matters answered in Quran and Sunnah no ijtihad is done on them"

Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH allowed Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan(married) Then I will have him stoned.

source: Ibn Majah.
Hadith rank: SAHIH.
 
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hahahha. i only replied because you said in previous post that umar RA banned it through Ijtihad and now you are saying that it was prohibited but some people use to practice it. so omar RA never give the new ruling on the bases of Ijtihad he only reinforced the ruling given by prophet. in other word he only reinforced sunnah. that is what brother zarvan is trying to say."he said those matters answered in Quran and Sunnah no ijtihad is done on them"

Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH allowed Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan(married) Then I will have him stoned.

source: Ibn Majah.
Hadith rank: SAHIH.

Why are discussing openly what goes on behind bedroom door.

Jub larki larka razi
to kiya keray ga Qazi
 
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@Akheilos The concept of excluding something is called NASKH. It's a very delicate and complex subject. It requires extensive reading and understanding of the subject. It was practiced in Both sects of Islam. A short intro about it. Post from another forum



Before the final mushaf of Uthman, may Allah be pleased with him, the Sahabah had many mushafs that differed slightly; these slight differences can all be categorised in the following categories:

1- additions which were abrogated, for example the stoning verse as Yusuf mentioned

2- additions which were made as Tafsir (explanation) of the text but were not part of the Qur'an itself

3- deletions due to ignorance of their revelation, for example Ibn Mas'ud, may Allah be pleased with him, did not include the mu'awwidhatayn (the last two Surahs in him mushaf)

4. very slight differeces because of the different qira'ah

Imam Suyuti, in his Al-Itqan, mentions there is a consensus that there are 114 Surahs and the only concession is that some say anfal and tawbah (8 and 9) are one Surah so there are 113 Surahs in total.

He then goes on to mention some of the differences between the muhafs of the Sahabah. He said, regarding the mushaf of Ubayy Ibn Ka'b:

وفي مصحف أبيّ بن كعب في مصحفه فاتحة الكتاب والمعوذتين واللهم إنا نستعينك واللهم إياك نعبد وتركهن ابن مسعود‏

"Ubayy Ibn Ka'b included the fatihah, mu'awwidhatayn and the qunut"

He furhter goes on to exlain regarding the two "Surahs" that were revealed:

وأخرج البيهقي وأبوداود في المراسيل عن خالد بن أبي عمران أن جبريل نزل بذلك على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهوفي الصلاة مع قوله ‏{ليس لك من الأمر شيء}‏‏ الآية لما قنت يدعوإلى مضر‏

"Al-Bayhaqi and Abu Dawud narrate that these two Surahs (the Qunut) was revealed with the verse "You have no judgement in the matter..." (3:128)"

This verse was revealed when the Prophet made du'a against the non-Muslims in Fajr and Allah told him not to do so, and with it He gave him the Qunut, which were these two Surahs.

However, later the two Surahs, which were the Qunut, to be recited in Salah (in Fajr and Witr) was abrogated and not included in the final mushaf.

This is the case with many parts of the Qur'an. It was narrated that Surah Bara'ah and Surah Ahzab were both as long as Surah Baqarah and were later abrogated to how we know it today.

The two Surahs that were abroagted still remain as the Qunut recited in Salah.

They did not pray or teach them as Qur'an or Surahs but as Du'a.

It is in Al-Bayhaqi:

وأخرج البيهقي من طريق سفيان الثوري عن ابن جريج عن عطاء بن عبيد بن عمير بن عمر بن الخطاب قنت بعد الركوع فقال‏:‏ بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم اللهم إنا نستدعيك ونستغفرك ونثني عليك ولا نكفرك ونخلع ونترك من يفجرك اللهم إياك نعبد ولك نصلي ونسجد وإليك نسعى ونحفد نرجورحمتك ونخشى نقمتك إن عذابك بالكافرين ملحق

"Umar Ibn Khattab did Qunut after Ruku: ....". Therefore he did not read it as a Surah but as a Du'a.

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Here are examples of all three types:

1. the recitation is abrogated and the ruling is abrogated

This type of verse can obviously not be proven from the Qur'an since it does not exist in the Qur'an, neither as a law, nor as the Qur'an. But here is an example:

'A'isha, may Allah be pleased with her, reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). (Sahih Muslim)

2. the recitation remains whilst the ruling is abrogated

This means a verse is in the Qur'an which is not acted upon due to other verses. Here is an example:

The verse:

'O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou has paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her; - this only for thee and not for the believers (at large);We know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee and God is oft-forgiving, most merciful' (33: 50).

was abrogated by:

'It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens); and God doth watch over all things' (33: 52).

3. the recitation is abrogated whilst the ruling remains

The example for this is the stoning of the adulterer and adulteress (Mentioned in Saheeh bukhar and Saheeh Muslim )

Naskh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's better you consult a highly qualified scholar to get a more simplified explanation of Naskh concept
 
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hahahha. i only replied because you said in previous post that umar RA banned it through Ijtihad and now you are saying that it was prohibited but some people use to practice it. so omar RA never give the new ruling on the bases of Ijtihad he only reinforced the ruling given by prophet. in other word he only reinforced sunnah. that is what brother zarvan is trying to say."he said those matters answered in Quran and Sunnah no ijtihad is done on them"

Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH allowed Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan(married) Then I will have him stoned.

source: Ibn Majah.
Hadith rank: SAHIH.

It was forbade, not banned. You really need to read Saheeh Muslim traditions to get a complete over view of whole subject.
 
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No you guys just mix the 2 and get a hybrid then blame the hybrid for not working or not doing miracles as promised by the true religion
Actually we blame NOT the hybrid. But those who claim to run the 'true religion' thingy. Not saying it's good or bad, but it's what happens actually. :P

Off topic - Ever had Vada Pav? :D
 
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God sent several prophets to spread his message to human beings. This is accepted fact is all religions. Hope this prophet sending phenomena started from Stone ages or even before. Prophets of Stone age , prophet of brash age Iron age definitely spread different messages based on maturity and understanding of human beings in different ages.

Suddenly on 1400 years ago God thought man reached the highest level of development and intelligence and no further improvement will happen in future. So he gave his last message.

God required so many prophets in previous 5000 years before 1400 years from today. But God will not require any more in next 100000 years as he already sent his last messenger.

But people say human race advanced many times than what it was in 1400 years ago.

But in some parts of the world some people think that time stopped 1400 years ago :)

A religion which did not allow even God a freedom to think again and change/ modify His earlier decisions :)
 
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