Chand dheaki k maslay per NASA ka jawab

[RIP Pak LAW]

28 days ramzan for KP LMAO..big mockery of the holy month ...backed up by pti govt...they just keep providing excuses to get ridiculed

 

[Yaseen1]

Yup. Very proud moment for every pakistani.

Other countries are setting up space military, artificial intelligence or going to mars. In pakistan, we can’t decide on Eid. Bravo.

No one opposes use of technology for everyday life but culture and tradition should be preserved and cannot be changed with technological change

 

[Hiraa]

28 days ramzan for KP LMAO..big mockery of the holy month ...backed up by pti govt...they just keep providing excuses to get ridiculed

They started fast with the saudis.on 6th may.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Come on guys,..... Blind following of the interpretations (by the Ulema of the past), or the (unreasonable) literal reading of secondary sources/texts won't get you anywhere. Use your intellect, that's what Allah has ordained.

"Verily, the vilest of all creatures in the sight of God are those deaf, those dumb ones who do not use their reason." (8:22)

 

[criticalerror]

Lets not take our collective hatred for illiterate Mullahs and extend it to us being illiterate if we don’t do the opposite of them. Sunnah is a simple tradition that needs following by every faithful Muslim.

Otherwise astronomy was quite strong back then as well. It is one of the world’s most ancient sciences. As for Namaz calculation , that has been tied to the Sun which is quite different in it’s nature from the moon. The earth revolves around the Sun whereas the moon rotates around the earth. There is a big difference in calculations of both bodies and their cycles.

 

[krash]

The areas closer to cloudy region where moon is sighted can celebrate eid with that region but the region must be within the range of area where after repeated experiences moon is sighted at same time in history

The question isn't "can it be done", the question is "should it be done?"

It is a traditional and religious matter and science and technology cannot change Sunnah of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H)

Science and technology has changed how we do a great many things in Islam, things which are no longer done the way Sunnah dictates. The only difference back then was that Islam in those times was not ruled by illiterate, uneducated mullahs whose primary gauge for decision making is religious dogma. Instead, it was led by academic scholars of Islam who recognized, identified and acknowledged that the new method offered benefits to the deen and/or its followers. Just like a lunar calendar based on astronomical calculations would do today.

and if using astronomy and science was better in this regard Holy Prophet (P.B.UH) and Shabah R.A have used it at their times as astronomy was very ancient knowledge and was available at that time.

Again, I very strongly recommend you against making statements about fields you have no knowledge of. Astronomy in the times of the Sahabah and the Prophet (S.A.W) was no where near capable of calculating the lunar orbit. Just as medicine was not able to perform open heart surgery back then.

Also, when the knowledge of Astronomy progressed the Muslims of the time fully availed its benefits and still do; we stopped determining the time of prayer from the shadows of trees and the light on the horizon, as was the Sunnah. The most illiterate mullah today does not do that, we can have prayer timings calculated years in advance.

One day Eid day not cause much loss in economy and in u.s and west chrismass holidays also extend to two weeks and so in rest of world during their festivals but their economy is not affected.

Tell that to your stock exchange which gets serious hiccups the moment your mullah opens his mouth.

Our bad conduct and corruption as well as mismanagement which continues whole year is real cause of loss and extracosts to our economy

Which comes from us being dense against all reason. Case in point.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Lets not take our collective hatred for illiterate Mullahs and extend it to us being illiterate if we don’t do the opposite of them. Sunnah is a simple tradition that needs following by every faithful Muslim.

Sighting the moon with the naked eye was the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) because there were no other means of determining the phases of moon/start of lunar month back in those days. It's really that simple

 

[Crusher]

Yup. Very proud moment for every pakistani.

Other countries are setting up space military, artificial intelligence or going to mars. In pakistan, we can’t decide on Eid. Bravo.

Eid is a religious festival so it must be decided by the religous scholars, not by some mummy daddy type people on the internet.

 

[criticalerror]

The question isn't "can it be done", the question is "should it be done?"



Science and technology has changed how we do a great many things in Islam, things which are no longer done the way Sunnah dictates. The only difference back then was that Islam in those times was not ruled by illiterate, uneducated mullahs whose primary gauge for decision making was religious dogma. Instead, it was led by academic scholars of Islam who recognized, identified and acknowledged that the new method offered benefits to the deen and/or its followers. Just like a lunar calendar based on astronomical calculations would do today.

Muslims were the proponents of this science, yet did not use calculations(which were available even then) to declare Ramzan and Eid. Otherwise we would have had the precedent. Those Muslims were pioneers of Science, yet chose to remain on the simple path of Sunnah. Ask yourself why that was so?

The question isn't "can it be done", the question is "should it be done?"
Again, I very strongly recommend you against making statements about fields you have no knowledge of. Astronomy in the times of the Sahabah and the Prophet (S.A.W) was no where near capable of calculating the lunar orbit. Just as medicine was not able to perform open heart surgery back then.


Also, when the knowledge of Astronomy progressed the Muslims of the time fully availed its benefits and still do; we stopped determining the time of prayer from the shadows of trees and the light on the horizon as was the Sunnah. The most illiterate mullah today does not do that, we have prayer timings calculated years in advance.

The earliest known lunar calendar was found at Warren Field in Scotland and has been dated to c. 8000 bc, during the Mesolithic period

Such calculations were present way before Islam. If it were permissible, the golden era of Muslim scientists would have picked it up. Also Namaz is calculated according to the Sun which is much more consistent and reliable than lunar calculations.

Tell that to your stock exchange which gets serious hiccups the moment your mullah opens his mouth.



Which comes from us being dense against all reason. Case in point.

We can’t pick and choose and modify on the fly whatever part of Islam we wish to, just because science has replaced it . Faith vs Science is a fundamental distinction, one that can’t be argued with reason alone.

 

[criticalerror]

Sighting the moon with the naked eye was the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) because there were no other means of determining the phases of moon/start of lunar month back in those days. It's really that simple

Yeah, there were lunar calendars way before Islam

https://web.archive.org/web/201308...cotland-lunar-calendar-stone-age-rethink.html

 

[Crusher]

We can’t pick and choose and modify on the fly whatever part of Islam we wish to, just because science has replaced it . Faith vs Science is a fundamental distinction, one that can’t be argued with reason alone.

This is the dangerous path that many so-called "modern" people in pakistan are trying to propagate, I am physics graduate (doctoral level) and I can tell you there is nothing literally nothing common between science and "any religion" including "islam". Religion and science should never ever be mixed together. If a religious scholar wants to take help of some scientific/technical tool, it should be left upon him rather than enforcing it on him.

 

[M. Sarmad]

We can’t pick and choose and modify on the fly whatever part of Islam we wish to, just because science has replaced it . Faith vs Science is a fundamental distinction, one that can’t be argued with reason alone.

^^ This belief is the basic problem ... Please quote Primary Islamic Texts to back up this assertion.

 

[Yaseen1]

The question isn't "can it be done", the question is "should it be done?"



Science and technology has changed how we do a great many things in Islam, things which are no longer done the way Sunnah dictates. The only difference back then was that Islam in those times was not ruled by illiterate, uneducated mullahs whose primary gauge for decision making was religious dogma. Instead, it was led by academic scholars of Islam who recognized, identified and acknowledged that the new method offered benefits to the deen and/or its followers. Just like a lunar calendar based on astronomical calculations would do today.



Again, I very strongly recommend you against making statements about fields you have no knowledge of. Astronomy in the times of the Sahabah and the Prophet (S.A.W) was no where near capable of calculating the lunar orbit. Just as medicine was not able to perform open heart surgery back then.

Also, when the knowledge of Astronomy progressed the Muslims of the time fully availed its benefits and still do; we stopped determining the time of prayer from the shadows of trees and the light on the horizon as was the Sunnah. The most illiterate mullah today does not do that, we have prayer timings calculated years in advance.




Tell that to your stock exchange which gets serious hiccups the moment your mullah opens his mouth.



Which comes from us being dense against all reason. Case in point.

Then you should end sunday holiday and work 24 hours to keep stock market high unlike what happens in world .stock market crashes even on working days and west not ended chrismass holidays to keep stock market high
Donot mix prayer times with moon as it depend upon sun as sun path remain constant every year and you never see sun partially visible like moon which turns from cresent to full moon and every year months days are different and not remain same.
The matter is many Islamic scholars and Imams after Shabah R.A not even tried to adopt other methods for moonsighting although advances were made in technology and if there is no clear direction from Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) to use technology for moonsighting we are not bound to use it

 

[M. Sarmad]

Yeah, there were lunar calendars way before Islam

https://web.archive.org/web/20130809125949/http://phys.org/news/2013-07-scotland-lunar-calendar-stone-age-rethink.html

Yet the Holy Prophet (PBUH) did not forbid lunar calculations!! But only stated that as the Arabs were illiterate, they didn't use such calculations (as per Sahih Bukhari)... This argument actually disproves your assertion

 

[criticalerror]

This is the dangerous path that many so-called "modern" people in pakistan are trying to propagate, I am physics graduate and I can tell you there is nothing literally nothing common between science and "any religion" including "islam". Religion and science should never ever be mixed together.

Yeah and i take serious exception to that. I am a Computer Science grad and you will not find someone more in favour of scientific methods . That doesn’t mean i start to purportedly “improve” a deen that is already beyond question just because i disagree with illiterate mullahs.If i use reason alone, the purpose of Faith is defeated. For example, i cannot see the Lord in literal terms yet i have faith and believe in Him and all his Qualities and Omniscience . I don’t have a solid reason to (Anaozobillah) if i go by logic, yet I believe in him because of His message that he Willed to guide me to.