Chand dheaki k maslay per NASA ka jawab

[criticalerror]

When Humans will colonize the other planets and have interstellar travel then what will be the schedule of Ramadan and Eid ?

Every celestial body has atleast one moon attached to it. Atleast the ones we are hypothetically going to inhabit. Also note your example is crude, since in such an event , the very same lunar calculations will also be invalid.

 

[criticalerror]

Yes he categorically stated to start fasting on "the sighting" of the moon as there were no other means available to Arabs back in those days. He, however, in this Hadith, did not forbid (categorically or otherwise) the (future) Muslims to use other more accurate methods of determining the Ramazan days.

No , he very categorically stated NOT TO FAST UNTIL THE CRESCENT IS SIGHTED. What stops us now from sighting the crescent?

And if you want to take "Sighting" literally, then even the use of telescopes is forbidden as per this Hadith (the position maintained by many clerics) .....

Nope. Your example is easily debunked. Telescopes are used to “sight” since it is the same light entering your cornea and by all stretches of imagination, the word sighting is synonymous with telescopes as well. I can quote you more on light refraction and such but you already must know the science behind it.You can do better than that.

Also, if you are a literalist, then you should oppose the use of Tanks, Jets etc. in war as the Holy Qur'an has mentioned "horses" only:

"...Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy..." (8:60)

Also, as per your logic, using all kinds of bombs is prohibited in Islam as there is a Sahih Hadith categorically stating that "No one may punish using fire other than the Lord of the Fire (Allaah)."...

I can quote tens of such examples.... This literalist approach could have been applicable in the past, but it is not any longer...

Apples and oranges. You can quote a hundred examples of entirely unrelated things and they would still be invalid. Your sole arguments are geared at portraying me a luddite when you very well know i am not one.

 

[xyxmt]

So does travel on camels is sunnah.. Why u guys feeling shame to ride on camels???

so is miswaq, why do these guys use West's creation of Tooth brush

I don't know why people don't realise that we must hold on to the sunnah of the property p.b.u.h.

what other choice there was 1400 year ago?

 

[Crusher]

so is miswaq, why do these guys use West's creation of Tooth brush

Not whole "west", the inventions always belong to a handful of individuals in the western countries. An average joe on the streets of western countries doesn't have any role in any kind of invention.

 

[xyxmt]

Not whole "west", the inventions always belong to a handful of individuals in the western countries. An average joe on the streets of western countries doesn't have any role in any kind of invention.

Right on Average Joe!

Have muslim ever invented anything?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Answers questions for cloud cover as well. No need to over complicate things when simpler solutions exist. Occam’s Razor.

The simplest solution would be the scientific one.

 

[M. Sarmad]

No , he very categorically stated NOT TO FAST UNTIL THE CRESCENT IS SIGHTED. What stops us now from sighting the crescent?

Again, we disagree on the "Sighting" part only. You insist that it should be understood/interpreted literally, I believe that as we are using even more of our faculties (than just sight) to know the exact phase of moon at any given time and place, using astronomical calculations (or any other accurate method for that matter) is not in violation of this Hadith.

Nope. Your example is easily debunked. Telescopes are used to “sight” since it is the same light entering your cornea and by all stretches of imagination, the word sighting is synonymous with telescopes as well. I can quote you more on light refraction and such but you already must know the science behind it.You can do better than that.

That example of mine is actually the position maintained by many scholars. Best of luck with "easily debunking it"... (I too disagree with them of course)

Apples and oranges. You can quote a hundred examples of entirely unrelated things and they would still be invalid. Your sole arguments are geared at portraying me a luddite when you very well know i am not one.

It is not at all 'unrelated'.... I am just pointing it out to you that you cannot have it both ways. If you insist that the word "sighting" in this Hadith has to be taken literally, then you have to take/interpret all other verses/Ahadith literally too...

 

[313ghazi]

Nobody has answered what Fawad Ch and his website is going to do about Eid in KPK tomorrow. Are you going to close the Eid gah? Force people to fast? Tell them "computer says no"?

 

[Crusher]

Right on Average Joe!

Have muslim ever invented anything?

It is not a "christian" or "jewish" who invents something, it is always a "human" who invents something. Humans were inventing many techniques and tools tens of thousands of years ago when there was nothing called "christian", "jewish" or "muslim" in existence.

 

[xyxmt]

It is not a "christian" or "jewish" who invents something, it is always a "human" who invents something. Humans were inventing many techniques and tools tens of thousands of years ago when there was nothing called "christian", "jewish" or "muslim" in existence.

wow I learn something new everyday
you sir the smartest person on this forum, if anyone disagree you tell him to see me

 

[El Sidd]

Enough Chit chat.

fitre jama karao. go have fun

 

[Xeson]

Found this to be of knowledge to me, thought to share

 

[criticalerror]

The simplest solution would be the scientific one.

No the simplest one would be to sight the moon. The scientific one requires calculations and what not.

 

[criticalerror]

Again, we disagree on the "Sighting" part only. You insist that it should be understood/interpreted literally, I believe that as we are using even more of our faculties (than just sight) to know the exact phase of moon at any given time and place, using astronomical calculations (or any other accurate method for that matter) is not in violation of this Hadith.

We do disagree on that point. That much is established. And it is perfectly fine as well. You have your reasons to which I don’t agree and i have mine to which you don’t agree. But i will point out , i do not disagree with using the said calculations and faculties as a tool. My only gripe with it is using it as cannon/established proof valid against the Sunnah practices.

That example of mine is actually the position maintained by many scholars. Best of luck with "easily debunking it"... (I too disagree with them of course)

If it is scholars we are talking about, majority scholars also hold sighting of the moon as the only source of establishing Ramzan.

It is not at all 'unrelated'.... I am just pointing it out to you that you cannot have it both ways. If you insist that the word "sighting" in this Hadith has to be taken literally, then you have to take/interpret all other verses/Ahadith literally too...

On the contrary, every example used has a context , without which arguing over it is useless. Context is important. Also note i do not deny a single verse of the Holy Quran. It is my belief that the implementation of Holy Quran is in the life of the Prophet (PBUH). The Hadeeth i quoted has the same kind of supplementary proofs to support it. Such as it being used in modern days in many Muslim countries as well, without any controversy whatsoever.
If it is only the Quran we are talking about, it does not show you the method of praying. Similarly many other concepts were established through Sunnah. Not the Quran alone(though it was very easy for the Lord to explain everything in minute detail, but in His infinite wisdom he deemed it not necessary)

 

[criticalerror]

Nobody has answered what Fawad Ch and his website is going to do about Eid in KPK tomorrow. Are you going to close the Eid gah? Force people to fast? Tell them "computer says no"?

Fawwad Ch is root of this evil being discussed here. He should have waited before announcing this half-cocked methodology. If he were so confident, he would not have sent it to the CII for approval. Also it is my opinion that his heart is in the right place about this. His execution leaves alot to be desired.