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It is better we should keep moonsighting as simple and use naked eye for moonsighting as using technology will cost more so by using traditional methods we can avoid conflict and also extracosts
There is no extra cost, position of the moon can be calculated accurately inexpensively. Not allowing an entire economy to know ahead in advance about eid is probably VERY expensive.
 
Loads of silly questions. People should take time to research thier religion, rather than preach it.

So does travel on camels is sunnah.. Why u guys feeling shame to ride on camels???

Firstly who is ashamed of riding on a camel? Secondly is riding a camel a precondition of any of your religious obligations? Which religious matter requires you to first ride a camel.

The sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh is to sight the moon on the 29th evening or complete the full 30 days. This is a precondition to determine the start of the month which is a requirement for fasting to start and the hajj.

and what if the next village is also covered in cloud? what will you do, go to the next country? what if the next country is not muslim? stunted growth kahaan say agaee?

If you cannot site the moon in one locality and you have no means to communicate elsewhere then you complete 30 days. In todays day and age we have both the means to see elsewhere and the technology to confirm whether it was indeed plausible to site the moon. If it was technically plausible to site the moon in your location AND someone else sited it (even far away), then as long as the sighting is considered valid and news of it reaches you, then the new month starts.

You do know the moon is round all the time...It is just how much we can view it ...caused the shape to change from crescent to full moon?

Yes. Do you know the sunnah is specifically about the sighting of the moon and not based on the lunar cycle which can be complete after 28 days. The sunnah is 30 days, unless the moon is sighted on the 29th.

Tell me this, if there was a moon to be sighted today but could not be seen due to overcast conditions should there or should there not be Eid tomorrow?

Holding on to something because it is "Sunnah" while a better method or practice keeps smacking you in the face is actually pretty stupid. Sunnah was also travelling on Camels, brushing your teeth with miswak, giving azan without the loudspeakers/megaphones, no air conditioning in the mosques, or about a million other things which you and I are happily willing to forfeit. Do you see how ridiculous your argument is? For exactly these matters Islam has a bonafide method called ijtehad.

If you want to follow it just because its Sunnah then by all means. Go to your roof top and sight the moon when your meteorological department tells you that the moon is going to be there. Just like people still use miswak because it's Sunnah but don't go on debating that it's more effective than toothpaste.



No it doesn't. That's why people who have no understanding of astronomy or even basic science should not be passing statements on it. That's why these illiterate mullahs should not have a say in it.

Calculating the lunar calendar will be easier and will cost nth times less than funding the escapades of these morons who only care about their 15 min of fame twice every year. This will also rid us of the tens of times when these leeches have made the wrong call and either made us fast on Eid or made us lose a fast.

All the other examples you listed are not pre requisites of acts of worship. Sighting the moon is because as I stated earlier it is required to determine the start of the month, which dictates when Ramadan starts and when hajj is.

These scenarios you guys are coming up with are nothing new. In the UK we have dealt with this for decades now. The sattelite information determines if it is plausible to site the moon. If it is astronomers and ulema try. If they can't see it, we look to countries near us, including European communities to see if any Muslims sighted the moon, or was sighted by astrological depts. We even take sightings from far away countries, but only in it was plausible to site the moon. If it was not plausible and we didn't see it, we do 30 days.

Then why should not a lunar month not have 31 or more days if it remains cloudy towards the end of the month?


Because the Prophet Muhammad pbuh stated that a month is 30 days unless the moon is sited on the 29th.
 
Yes. Do you know the sunnah is specifically about the sighting of the moon and not based on the lunar cycle which can be complete after 28 days. The sunnah is 30 days, unless the moon is sighted on the 29th.
Yes I am aware of the Sunnah....
The life of the Prophet SAW is called the Sunnah
I am also aware of the Sunnah to eat on the floor, to be respectful to adults, enemies and kafir, the sick, the needy, the poor
The Sunnah also includes:

Not to waste
Not to indulge in backbiting, lying
Not to take Sood
Not to divide Islam and Muslims
To smile if you dont like something no need to point it out or ridicule it
Not to insult your wife's cooking
Not to compliment another woman infront of your wife
To play with your children not give them ipads (No sunnah on Ipads)
To eat halal only
To do fair trade and not cheat
It was also sunnah to ride camels, to marry widows, elder women, divorcee, to take care of the orphan!
There is also sunnah on not to brag, dont be proud, kill the ego and anger...

There is plenty that we dont state, debate nor follow! Yet when it is regarding unity of Islam...we attack the unity the most and justify the division by using Quranic verses, hadith and Sunnah!

Because the Prophet Muhammad pbuh stated that a month is 30 days unless the moon is sited on the 29th.
Do you have a stick stuck in your front lawn to tell the timing for namaaz? :pop:

Coz the Sunnah was to see the sun not the calculated movements of the Sun to predict the times to prayer!

After googling for a while this is the most satisfying answer I can find:

For daily five prayers no one performs prayer (Salat) after seeing Sun OR Star’s positions. We use watches and clocks for this purpose but we pray at the time defined by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Science and technology help us to determine prayer times. Similarly, we MUST use science to determine the time for Ramadan, Eid and Hajj but we must start these months based upon the criteria defined by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
 
You do know the moon is round all the time...It is just how much we can view it ...caused the shape to change from crescent to full moon?
Mate, are you Mr. Dubious or Mr. Obvious?
I'm sure he and all other members know about this.
 
no matter what you do you cant teach any sense to mullahs like popalzae. those idiots celebrate 9-10 muharram and 12 rabi ul awal and eid ul adha in most of the cases with the rest of the country but they cant celebrate 1st ramzan and eid ul fitr with rest of the country. hilarious and sad at the same time. these mullahs have always been a danger to the unity of the nation and ummah. couple of years back he was given hefty amount and went abroad and the nation celebrated eid together.
when a nation is led by a a muslim ruler who is elected by the people then all the subordinates whether they are mullahs of head of institutes are bound to follow his orders as per islamic instructions. if they disagree with the ruler they can suggest him and it is upto him to accept the suggestion or not. if he accepts it fine and if not then the subordinate has to follow him . it is the responsibility of the head of the state to take final decision in the light of quran and hadiths. now if he deliberately takes wrong decisions then there is a system in a state through which any mullah or head of institute can take up his case against the leader and then it will be the job of that system to ascertain whether leader is right or not. our mullahs cant understand this simple instruction of islam and they take the matters in their own hands and the result is terrorism , disunity and more then 70 sects in islam. that's why our Prophet warned us that at the end times the worst people on earth will be the scholars of islam.
 
A question for you all. These prayer timings that these Mullahs give out for every year, how do you think they come across them? How did these Mullahs tell you exactly which time will your fast end for the entire month of Ramadan even before it began? And no it's not because the solar cycle is more uniform, because it's not. Once you've reached the answer, please also tell if this was the way the Prophet (S.A.W) figured out the timings of the prayers for the entire year? Or how He (S.A.W) figured out the precise time that He (S.A.W) needed to end His fast?

Do you know how prayer and azan timings were determined back then? The trickiest one was the time for Asr.


All the other examples you listed are not pre requisites of acts of worship.

Yes they are, or rather, were. Traveling by camel, brushing your teeth with miswak and reciting azan through a megphone have all had religious implications. You don't know them because people a lot smarter than your average mullah and before your time had enough sense to see through religious dogma and reach a logical conclusion allowing Muslims the most benefiting way to practice their religion and spend their lives......as is instructed by Islam. I won't provide the complete details either, that's what your local mullah is for, pun intended.

a) Moving from traveling by camel to traveling by air has completely changed our Ihram etiquette for haj. It has also introduced brand new allowances in prayer while traveling. Do you know how?

b) Miswak was just as much a part of Islam as is the sighting of the moon, i.e. indirectly associated. Miswak was strongly recommended so that the basic hygiene requirements of prayer could be met, even during fasts. You don't see any mullah asking you to miswak your teeth now do you?

c) Azan through loudspeakers, for decades, was claimed to be not kosher by Mullahs and laypersons, such as your self. You see, it wasn't how it was done during the time of the Prophet (S.A.W). Today you'd think that even the idea is pretty stupid. But for decades, just to appease the rabid illiterate mob of mullahs, azan was recited first by voice alone and only then through a loudspeaker. It took even longer to convince them that you could lead a prayer through a mic as well.

Sighting the moon is because as I stated earlier it is required to determine the start of the month, which dictates when Ramadan starts and when hajj is.

Incorrect again. It must be clarified that the pre-requisite of Eid and Ramadan is the starting and ending of the lunar month of Ramadan, not the sighting of the new moon. The sighting of the new moon was the best way of determining the start of a new month when people thought that the Earth was flat. Even then, it was unanimously accepted that the sighting of the moon, or lack there of, was by no means a guarantee for the start of a new month since there were a hundred different reasons why a moon, though present, could by missed by the spotters. Hence, date adjustments were performed through out history for the lunar calendar and still are in Pakistan where these illiterate mullahs have had a strangle hold on religious proceedings.


If there is a moon to be seen but cannot be seen due to whatever reason, Eid is here. So when a man comes to you and tells you that he can guarantee you the lunar calendar years in advance, it is your religious responsibility to take him on it so as to fulfill your religious obligation of fulfilling your religious obligations as best as you can and not keep your head buried under the sand deliberately accepting the inaccuracies of your archaic system which refrain you from performing your religious duties as well as you can and should. If you don't, then you, my friend, are in contempt of religious decree. Because you know, fasting on Eid is haram and missing a fast, when you could help not to, is also haram.
 
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Mullah F-ck ups continues.... Thru all Mullahs into Dustbin. Anywayz they don't have practical opinions on any things expect saying " ur iman is less thts y this is happening, during prophet's time that was the level of iman n urs in this level, ur minds gets f-cked up in their levels."
 
The areas closer to cloudy region where moon is sighted can celebrate eid with that region but the region must be within the range of area where after repeated experiences moon is sighted at same time in history
It is a traditional and religious matter and science and technology cannot change Sunnah of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) and if using astronomy and science was better in this regard Holy Prophet (P.B.UH) and Shabah R.A have used it at their times as astronomy was very ancient knowledge and was available at that time.
One day Eid day not cause much loss in economy and in u.s and west chrismass holidays also extend to two weeks and so in rest of world during their festivals but their economy is not affected. Our bad conduct and corruption as well as mismanagement which continues whole year is real cause of loss and extracosts to our economy
Tell me this, if there was a moon to be sighted today but could not be seen due to overcast conditions should there or should there not be Eid tomorrow?

Holding on to something because it is "Sunnah" while a better method or practice keeps smacking you in the face is actually pretty stupid. Sunnah was also travelling on Camels, brushing your teeth with miswak, giving azan without the loudspeakers/megaphones, no air conditioning in the mosques, or about a million other things which you and I are happily willing to forfeit. Do you see how ridiculous your argument is? For exactly these matters Islam has a bonafide method called ijtehad.

If you want to follow it just because its Sunnah then by all means. Go to your roof top and sight the moon when your meteorological department tells you that the moon is going to be there. Just like people still use miswak because it's Sunnah but don't go on debating that it's more effective than toothpaste.



No it doesn't. That's why people who have no understanding of astronomy or even basic science should not be passing statements on it. That's why these illiterate mullahs should not have a say in it.

Calculating the lunar calendar will be easier and will cost nth times less than funding the escapades of these morons who only care about their 15 min of fame twice every year. This will also rid us of the tens of times when these leeches have made the wrong call and either made us fast on Eid or made us lose a fast.

There is no extra cost, position of the moon can be calculated accurately inexpensively. Not allowing an entire economy to know ahead in advance about eid is probably VERY expensive.
 
No one has any shame to travel on camels, horses or even donkeys, many people in pakistan still use all these animals for transport purposes.
Yup. Very proud moment for every pakistani.

Other countries are setting up space military, artificial intelligence or going to mars. In pakistan, we can’t decide on Eid. Bravo.
 
How can I trust the moon to be round all the time when I can see it wax and wane and even disappear with my own eyes?
These comments really doesnt make u look smart. U know that right?
 
Popalzai just took a big dump all over Fawad Ch. Website. He has announced eid with over 100 confirmed sightings. This is when the science proves the moon cannot be seen.

What are you going to do about it? Do tazeer on them for lying about a matter of religion? Itne jurat kahan se ay?
 
These comments really doesnt make u look smart. U know that right?

Thank you for showing that the point of my post is beyond your comprehension (perhaps likely due to your eagerness to prove me dumb), which was the extent to which one should believe the direct evidence provided by observation using the senses versus scientific means to extend understanding.

:D
 
KP information ministers says, Eid to be celebrate tomorrow on KP "officially" ...WTF
 
There is no extra cost, position of the moon can be calculated accurately inexpensively. Not allowing an entire economy to know ahead in advance about eid is probably VERY expensive.

The issue here is one of control. The mullahs simply do not want to give it up in this matter, as an example of holding everyone hostage to their outdated personal whims.
 
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