Central Asian Arabs

[A1Kaid]

First of all i didnt start the talk about Timur people start to curse him i only said it was wrong to do so..

You are the one who sees racism everywhere.. you are worried about arabs safety after they live there for so long and locals allow even their daughters to marry them.. instead of thanking them and apologizing to me you decide to be rude again and this time insulting Uzbeks and others..

Timur is not a barbarian he is great man you arent even worth his nail!

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Timur was a barbarian and acted like one the entire duration of his adult life, many history scholars and Ph.D's agree about that. He was a good military strategist, I read about the Battle of Ankara, Timur ordered his army to take position upstream along a river, knowing the Ottoman army was downstream the same river. Timur had poisoned the river knowing that after several hot days the Ottoman army would grow thirsty and drink from the river, well many Ottoman soldiers were poisoned and died and even their horses who drank from the river. If I remember correctly he had also reduced water flow x days and the Ottoman army was already weakened, tired, and thirsty and later Timur had attacked them with a crushing victory even captured Sultan Bayezid Yildirim. Sultan Bayezid Yildirim just made very careless blunders and overestimated Ottoman power, he didn't assess the threat potential accurately and that's how typically wars and battles are lost.

 

[al-Hasani]

He didn't simply persecute Muslim kingdoms who stood in his way, but Hindustan he massacred tens of thousands of Hindus if not more in the sack of Delhi and India. This is off topic.


On Topic: Interesting thread, do these people identify themselves as Arabs, not much dialogue in the video just raw footage...

Yes, they do. I translated some of the text written about them into English. Wholegrain also posted videos of them speaking Uzbek Arabic.

Yes, I have posted that link before. It is very interesting. Sounds really cool.

Since I am currently studying in Denmark, I am not there currently, but I speak/understand Danish on a ordinary level but I also asked 1 friend who speaks fluent Danish and this should be a perfect/correct translation of the Danish text to English. I made a few mistakes, LOL, but I helped with the English:

Den arabisktalende landsby Jogari i Usbekistan
Den arabiske landsby Jogari ligger 2 km væk fra byen Jiduvan 30 km nord for Bukhara. Det er et af de meget få steder i Usbekistan, hvor man stadig taler usbekisk arabisk.

Det er ikke unormalt at møde mennesker i Usbekistan, som regner sig selv for arabere, især i områderne omkring Samarkand, Bukhara, Qashqadarya og Surkhandarya. Også navne på landsbyer og byer vidner om arabisk tilstedeværelse: Katta-Arab, Mish-Arab, Arab-Khona osv.

Araberne er vandret til det område, der i dag udgør Usbekistan gennem flere historiske perioder. Nogle var soldater, håndværkere eller intellektuelle, andre nomader. De ankom med den arabiske erobring af Centralasien og begyndte at slå sig ned i området efter 710 e.Kr. Det siges, at Timur Lenk senere, omkring 1200 e.Kr., førte håndværkere fra Damaskus dertil, og nomader af arabisk herkomst fra Afghanistan slog sig ned i det 16. århundrede. Henimod slutningen af det 19. århundrede og begyndelsen af det 20. flyttede nogle af araberne fra Usbekistan til Afghanistan for at komme væk først fra den russiske og senere fra den bolsjevitiske indflydelse.

The Arabic-speaking village Jogari lies in Uzbekistan.

The Arab village, Jogari, lies 2km from the city Jiduvan that is located 30km north of Bukhara. It is one of the very few places in Uzbekistan where Uzbek Arabic is still spoken.

It is not uncommon to meet people in Uzbekistan, that regard themselves as Arabs, especially in the areas around Samarkand, Bukhara, Qashqadarya and Surkhandarya. The names of towns and villages in that area, such as Katta-Arab, Mish-Arab, Arab-Khona is also a testimony of an Arab presence.

The Arabs have travelled to the area that is today known as Uzbekistan in several historical periods. Some were soldiers, carpenters or intellectuals, others nomads (Bedouins probably). They arrived during the Arab conquest of Central Asia and started to settle down in the area after year 710. It has been said that Timur Lenk later, around year 1200, transported carpenters from Damascus to the area, and nomads (Bedouins?) of an Arab descent from Afghanistan settled in the area in the 16th century. At the end of the 19th century and the start of the 20th century some of the Arabs moved from Uzbekistan and settled in Afghanistan to escape the Russian and later the Bolshevik influence.

Thank you again for the very interesting posts once again, dear Wholegrain. Much appreciated as always.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b9bZFzJANs

What a cute kid.

 

[Wholegrain]

He didn't simply persecute Muslim kingdoms who stood in his way, but Hindustan he massacred tens of thousands of Hindus if not more in the sack of Delhi and India. This is off topic.


On Topic: Interesting thread, do these people identify themselves as Arabs, not much dialogue in the video just raw footage...

This British journal is nearly 200 years old and it says 5,000 Arab families lived in central asia, they definitly identified as Arabs back then.

Asiatic Journal - Google knygos

 

[al-Hasani]

This British journal is nearly 200 years old and it says 5,000 Arab families lived in central asia, they definitly identified as Arabs back then.

Asiatic Journal - Google knygos

You really understand the destruction the Western world has partially caused outside their borders when you read their profiling of people.

Why do they need to write that the 5.000 Arab families in Bukhara are "white"?

WTF?

 

[Wholegrain]

You really understand the destruction the Western world has partially caused outside their borders when you read their profiling of people.

Why do they need to write that the 5.000 Arab families in Bukhara are "white"?

WTF?

I was puzzled by it too. Maybe they thought the Uzbeks were yellow and the Persians were brown and they needed to differentiate.

 

[al-Hasani]

I was puzzled by it too. Maybe they thought the Uzbeks were yellow and the Persians were brown and they needed to differentiate.

When I read it I literary burst out laughing. Not because we Arabs are not "Caucasians" or have been described as such throughout history or in the earliest literature but because it is so completely irrelevant and out of place. I am surprised that they did not reveal more details such as average height, the shape of the skulls, noses etc., LOL.

You really can get a shock when reading such old writings. That concerns most issues. I was shocked seeing how Western literature described non-Europeans. Be it South Americans, Central American, native Americans, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, South Asians, South East Asians, Aboriginals etc. I wonder how readers will judge our contemporary literature in 200 years time from now on?

They are probably also going to laugh at a lot of matters.

 

[eastwatch]

Off Topic:
the Ottoman army was already weakened, tired, and thirsty and later Timur had attacked them with a crushing victory even captured Sultan Bayezid Yildirim. Sultan Bayezid Yildirim just made very careless blunders and overestimated Ottoman power, he didn't assess the threat potential accurately and that's how typically wars and battles are lost.

The Ottoman Sultan and his Queen were kept imprisoned by Timur until their death. Timur was a sadist without any trace of mercy or human quality. His only ambition was to fight, kill and win over other Muslim Sultanates, loot and plunder those countries and enrich his own Capital, Samarkand.

Note all the Turkic people, it was a Turkic crook Timur who inflicted maximum pain to another Turkic entity of Ottoman Turks, who were busy fighting the east europeans. Yet, he is regarded a hero in the NEW country called Uzbekistan.