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[Targon]

Ergenekon.

If I remember correctly, its actually a Mongol story, our guys just took it not much time ago.

It doesn't gives anything about the location though.

 

[-SINAN-]

If I remember correctly, its actually a Mongol story, our guys just took it not much time ago.

I think it is arguable if it is mongol or turkic story....

It doesn't gives anything about the location though.

It is still a very confusing subject for me.

There is Ergenekon,
Oghuz Khan
Ashina Clan.... timeline etc..

 

[VCheng]

It's a religious phrase Syed and you know it, don't try and defend it. Francis Scott Key, an Episcopalian (AKA Christian/Catholic), first wrote it as In God is our Trust. Salmon Portland Chase, also an Episcopalian, rewrote it as In God we Trust and sent it to James Pollock, Director of the Philadelphia Mint, who also happens to be a Christian. You know the rest.

Ever heard of E pluribus unum? That is our motto, that is what should be printed and stamped on our currency. Learn it and memorize it, E pluribus unum - Out of many, one.

I quote the ruling of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Aronow v. United States (1970) for a legally valid reply: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

 

[turkbordobereli]

Valla fazla bi şey demeye gerek yok sanırım.
Hakkari'de mayın tuzağı: 2 asker şehit! - Haberturk.com


Konu bu da değil, toplamda kaç asker şehit verdik falan.

1-) IED'ler tankları bile havaya uçuruyor, Kirpinin IED'leri etkisiz hale getirdiğini söylemek bence yanlış.

2-) Sen o adamlara, o mayını oraya koyma imkanını verdikten sonra, istersen Stanag level 5 araç getir onuda havaya uçururlar.

2.konuda haklısın , adamlara o imkanı verdikten sonra herşeyi havaya uçururlar. Ama şuanda örgütün yaptığı patlayıcılar KİRPİ'leri imha etmiyor.Şehitleri araç içinde emniyet kemeri takmamaktan veriyoruz ne yazık ki.Senin bakış açınla düşünürsek , evet KİRPİ'yi de Leo 2'yide imha edebilecek patlayıcı var ama ben hiç KİRPİ'nin BTR gibi tuz buz olduğu bir tuzaklama görmedim Pkknın yaptığı.Neyse Türkçe'den başka kendimi ifade edemiyorum dostum , çok fazla batmayalım göze

Tekrar iyi günler.

 

[-SINAN-]

2.konuda haklısın , adamlara o imkanı verdikten sonra herşeyi havaya uçururlar. Ama şuanda örgütün yaptığı patlayıcılar KİRPİ'leri imha etmiyor.Şehitleri araç içinde emniyet kemeri takmamaktan veriyoruz ne yazık ki.Senin bakış açınla düşünürsek , evet KİRPİ'yi de Leo 2'yide imha edebilecek patlayıcı var ama ben hiç KİRPİ'nin BTR gibi tuz buz olduğu bir tuzaklama görmedim Pkknın yaptığı.Neyse Türkçe'den başka kendimi ifade edemiyorum dostum , çok fazla batmayalım göze

Tekrar iyi günler.

Bu thread'de istediğin gibi Türkçe konuşabilirsin, serbest.

 

[telkon]

Lol...i knew that i shouldn't talk with you in these issues....more you look into subject more it gets tangled...

Okay, i will do something with my limited knowledge. If you get involved , issue becames a puzzle.



Please share dude.
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sorry, only in russian. but, if you look at ashina, its tamga is a bird-like thing. compare that to this:

there's a bird in his forehead. IMO most probably wolf myth and this bird figure point to paternal and maternal tribes of ashina clan.

If you're asking for ultimate origin of Turkic peoples, probably somewhere a little west of modern Mongolia, very foundations might be at deeps of Siberia though.

Today's Xinjiang,and most of western central asia was largely inhabited by non-mongoloid, Indo something speaking peoples, Turkic speakers started interacting them, they slowly dissolved, and assimilated into Turkic speakers, while Mongoloid Turkic speakers were supplied with further immigrants from east, it was a process of centuries.

chinese chronicles put proto-turks around huanhe river delta and ordos desert. the zhou period chunkiu chronicles says barbarians were living in southern parts of gobi desert and crossed it and went north around 8-7. century BC. IMHO turks and chinese were neighbours from the beginning.

edit: @Sinan i'll try to transliterate cyrillic into latin when i have time
edit2: @Sinan i was planning to read some articles, then realised i'm not in the mood here's transliteration:

kirgut=kyrgyz
tongra
tardu
bugu
kybir
kybir
kybir
ediz
bokli
bokli
uygur
kurabor
yomut-gün
chiğ
ashide ?
sygir
aigyr
koksa
dulat=duulat
?
tat-ashide
bayan-ashide ?
nek
shary
cherig
ashina
alachin
choğ
halluh
kangarlyk
?
?
shato
chubyl mountains
kün
kytai=hitai/kitai
kai

 

[-SINAN-]

edit: @Sinan i'll try to transliterate cyrillic into latin when i have time

Thx, mate

 

[xenon54 out]

@Azeri440 @ASQ-1918 @Kamil_baku @telkon guys i have a question, is there still ezan in Azerbaycan and other turkic states, its a honest question.

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Guys im in Istanbul right now, today i was in Harbiye Military Museum there was pretty cool weapons from Seljuk Empire to Independence war, almost everything original no replica,but it was just too big after 3 hour i could only see half of it, i will share pics as soon as im back in Switzerland.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

I quote the ruling of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Aronow v. United States (1970) for a legally valid reply: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

That ruling means nothing until it has gone through the Supreme Court of the United States. I already read that post.

 

[VCheng]

That ruling means nothing until it has gone through the Supreme Court of the United States. I already read that post.

It can go up to the Supreme Court only if somebody appeals against it, and nobody has done so for the last 44 years. The ruling stands valid.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

It can go up to the Supreme Court only if somebody appeals against it, and nobody has done so for the last 44 years. The ruling stands valid.

Doesn't mean someone won't, and if they do they face the wrath of millions of religious people in the US. In 44 years no one has grown a pair of balls yet. The ruling stands unofficially invalid until it goes to the Supreme Court.

 

[VCheng]

Doesn't mean someone won't, and if they do they face the wrath of millions of religious people in the US. In 44 years no one has grown a pair of balls yet. The ruling stands unofficially invalid until it goes to the Supreme Court.

Excuse me, but it is VALID unless the Supreme Court reverses it, and after 44 years, I don't think that is very likely either.

 

[Bratva]

Excuse me, but it is VALID unless the Supreme Court reverses it, and after 44 years, I don't think that is very likely either.

How does court ruling reflects the gentlemen intentions who wrote this motto in religious context? Were Judges present in that era that they know with such clarity it's not a religious motto ?

 

[VCheng]

How does court ruling reflects the gentlemen intentions who wrote this motto in religious context? Were Judges present in that era that they know with such clarity it's not a religious motto ?

The point is that the court ruling clearly prevents the government from favoring any religion over any other. The actual practice is more important than the motto.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Excuse me, but it is VALID unless the Supreme Court reverses it, and after 44 years, I don't think that is very likely either.

You are talking to someone who is 99.9999% chance sure I will do just that.

The point is that the court ruling clearly prevents the government from favoring any religion over any other. The actual practice is more important than the motto.

The Constitution prevents the Government from favoring any religion or lack of over the other. This ruling by the Court is a feeble attempt at protecting this unconstitutional motto.

@Fukuoka said, "Lucifer, Satan,Belzebuth,Belphegor... There are a lot of names for the same character. But the most commonly used are Satan and Lucifer."
I am not talking about the character, I am and the Church of Satan are talking about the meaning of the Hebrew word which when translated is adversary. An adversary is someone who opposes or attacks, you are an adversary to my posts, in Hebrew I would say "you are satan to my posts".

@Fukuoka said, "They disguised it as the gender theory, and they teach the kids at school that beeing a boy or a girl can be chosen, that there are no sexual normality, and they teach them sexual pleasures."
First of all Sex Education isn't a disguised version of pedophilia, it teaches the sex organs of males and females, it teaches that you must have sperm and a female egg to fertilize each other to began the process of pregnancy, then it talks about the stages of pregnancy and the females hormonal response (beginning production of milk in breasts). They do not teach that being a boy or girl can be chosen, they do not say there is no sexual normality, and they don' t teach sexual pleasures, if you find anything sexually pleasurable in Sex Ed then you are extremely abnormal. It is Sex Anatomy which has nothing to do with the pleasurable action of having sex.