XenoEnsi-14
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So, they are Oghuz Turks.@Sinan ahiska are anatolian turks relocated to caucasus during ottoman era.
@Targon I think it's geographic but I didn't get why they used karluks LOL
Eleştirinin belirli bir dozu var kardeşim.Üzerimden yaptığınız espriler şahsıma bir hakaret..Fotoğrafı oraya koyup Call Of Duty'de produr falan demek eleştiri değil ne yazık ki.. Dediğim gibi kızmıyorum , sadece sizlerden beklemezdim , kırıldığımı ifade etmek istedim.Bence üzülme... eğer bu yolda devam etmek istiyorsan, eleştirilere açık olman lazım.
whats up?
Eleştirinin belirli bir dozu var kardeşim.Üzerimden yaptığınız espriler şahsıma bir hakaret..Fotoğrafı oraya koyup Call Of Duty'de produr falan demek eleştiri değil ne yazık ki.. Dediğim gibi kızmıyorum , sadece sizlerden beklemezdim , kırıldığımı ifade etmek istedim.
Not much.whats up? :coffeee:
Understood... because i'm using dividing them into both Geographically and Linguistically. Let's stick with Geographical means then.@Sinan yes they're oghuz. And yes I know who karluks are. There still are karluk tribes in and around ferghana valley and southern uzbekistan, not only in hazara region. IMHO it's OK to divide turks like that (i.e. Geographically) but if you give them those names (i.e. Karluk, kipchak etc.) That would mix things up very much
P.S. I forgot. We still have tribal system. IIRC There are 40 or 42 tribes within kyrgyz.
Btw, we don't belong to karluks. They're completely different entity. Kyrgyz were 10-11 centuries old when karluks first emerged in the historical scene
I will do it some how, i'm not giving up.Dude you're wasting your time, because if you wanna classify like who belongs to where, you can't, these things are so complex and messy,
Oghuz for example is not like a proper nation or something, Oghuz means "Tribes", Oghuz who were based around lake Aral were a collection of tribes with different background(like Pecheneg), with a major group who probably came from further east, that major group was probably also a collection of different tribes in the first place
I will do it some how, i'm not giving up.
I didn't get this... I'm mean Pechenegs are one of the 24 Oghuz tribes. We know all of the oghuz tribes. So, what's the problem ?
Pechenegs were a different tribe, Oghuz probably defeated Pechenegs and a group of Pechenegs joined Oghuz.
Peçenekler[2], Oğuz Kağan Destanı'na göre Oğuz Türklerinin 24 boyundan biri ve Kaşgarlı Mahmud'a göre Divân-ı Lügati't-Türk'te yirmi iki Oğuz bölüğünden "... Ondokuzuncusu; "بآجانآك Beçenek"lerdir. Belgeleri şudur : View attachment 57189"[2] şeklinde tanımladığı Oğuzların Üçok kolundan bir Türk boyudur
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