CAS Mujahid Anwar: Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it

[TheTallGuy]

I regret to say that there is a lot of difference between my wish-list and reality of working options. I can too mention few more big names of fighter air crafts for PAF but the same will be like making fool not just out of myself but also, there are serious readers and will be laughing their lungs out while pointing at my flags as well. Don't you consider that its just too childish to talk about non-option over this board while making fun of quality of discussion here. While you cal lit taboo, is not appropriate. The Force will digest as much as our stomach can afford to avoid food poisoning.

When people talk about illogical options and even mention names of jets that are not yet interested into; an individual is not alone to take hit but this board as well. Secondly, even if we are going for some big guns; I don't understand that why we are feeding our enemy in advance without much of their efforts or expenses? Is it like our personal credit & credibility be claimed, is more important than the national interests & strategical plans? Is it just because I wanted to be praised here or on any other social media platform? Why even I risking the security of my motherland or making fun by claiming big like this? Try to understand that such talks are double edged swords then one has to choose to take less of damage but harming the enemy more.

I can wish to buy F-35, J-20, partner in TFX, have some of PAKFAs and even fly the EFTs to compliment 5th Gen jets but in the end; just look at what I did to myself and if allowed to continue with same mindset; this board is also becoming a chatroom without any quality. If the discussion has to be qualitative with beneficial outcomes; lest talk about the logical options in view of our economic conditions & hostile propaganda/tactics along with offensive yet working diplomacy. Once we do go through details on above mentioned points & some other considerations; I am sure that results will be too different than mere wish-listing over here. No offense.

I will keep myself limited to reading! no offense taken.

 

[The Eagle]

I will keep myself limited to reading! no offense taken.

Not just the reading, it will be in-fact pleasure to read you as well. Our concern will have to be with maintaining quality as well as productivity as well. Hope you understand.

Regards,

 

[StormBreaker]

is there a j10d or its a myth?


Christine "AUNTY" is sad that Pakistan misinformed her, so what was she expecting? Our nuclear bombs location?

@Deino @LKJ86 J-10D is a myth or what ? I don’t see much room for upgrades over J-10C and that the platform has reached its peak

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Without the missiles, rafale is equal to JF17.

Hopefully our future blocks of Jf17 will equal/surpass Rafale capabilities.

 

[StormBreaker]

There isn't anything to date as a 'D' variant. The J-10E is basically the J-10C, only difference is that China is offering it as an Export, hence explains the 'E'.

J-10P

 

[LKJ86]

@Deino @LKJ86 J-10D is a myth or what ? I don’t see much room for upgrades over J-10C and that the platform has reached its peak

If the development of J-20 is in trouble, there would be J-11D, or even so-called J-10D.
But, they are impossible already now...

 

[Deino]

@Deino @LKJ86 J-10D is a myth or what ? I don’t see much room for upgrades over J-10C and that the platform has reached its peak

Still a myth

 

[Trailer23]

If the J-31 turns out to be Project AZM..., they outta kick out the word 'Project' altogether.

 

[StormBreaker]

If the J-31 turns out to be Project AZM..., they outta kick out the word 'Project' altogether.

I doubt that, given the timeframe, it should be a Clean Sheet design or a modified design of some existing project

 

[Signalian]

So you have nothing against the Brahmos.

To mention a few. All IR guided, Laser Guided, Radar Guided SAMs. Radar controlled AAA.

Which radars do you have that are rated to track and target missiles travelling at mach 3.

All Radars. There is no limitation to detect speed, algorithms embedded in radar tracks and locks the speeding target. When the Brahmos is detected, its not going anywhere but into fragments in thin air as soon as it enters Pak airspace.

CIWS are short range. At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

CIWS will shred Brahmos before Brahmos can even manage to detect that it has been targeted and fired upon by CIWS. CIWS firing rate is much faster than Brahmos speed or turning rate.

From the top of my head as to what PAF might do:

1. PAF would launch A2A or G2A missiles at the incoming Brahmos, as the Brahmos massive IR signature would light up all of PAF's radars, would be relatively straight forward to guide a response at the Missile. Decision making and speed would be most effective here.
2. Radar controlled Air Defence Guns
3. A modern CIWS Phalanx has IR detection sensors, and can fire 4500 round per minute

This is just something from the top of my head. There is a reason why the US abandoned supersonic missiles, because they couldn't fly low and hug the terrain to avoid radar detection.

A USAF F-16 used laser guided rocket to hit a drone experimented to hit a cruise missile basically. So yes A2A tech exists and the EO/IR sensor on-board an aircraft can guide a missile to hit a target.

But I don't like it when an intelligent person couldn't get the gist of message and can't read the sarcasm. By the way, that was on lighter note acknowledging your information that we don't have Pantsir yet and so to let you know that no one knows what do we have in store. Asking too many questions as such will obviously raise the suspicion so I was actually trying to reduce the heat on you. Why to be judgmental then? Chill and as you have referred a Mod to me so then you should try harder to understand what is not being said openly but just that post of mine. Wouldn't you?

This isn't the first time that im seeing a troll taking the thread away from its intended purpose to discuss ACM statement. There is always someone who will try to glorify an Indian weapon like it has invincible virtues and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

 

[Signalian]

@The Eagle

He has mentioned in one of his posts that CIWS are short range. At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

Short range means less time, right ? Is his statement even logical ?

1. Firstly Brahmos wouldn't even know that it has come closer to CIWS, so there is no time left for Brahmos to do anything.
2. Secondly, as soon as Brahmos comes within CIWS range, it will be shredded within seconds.

I cannot find that time interval between both above instances when Brahmos will take counter measures since according to him At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

What is this guy doing !

 

[notorious_eagle]

@The Eagle

He has mentioned in one of his posts that CIWS are short range. At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

Short range means less time, right ? Is his statement even logical ?

1. Firstly Brahmos wouldn't even know that it has come closer to CIWS, so there is no time left for Brahmos to do anything.
2. Secondly, as soon as Brahmos comes within CIWS range, it will be shredded within seconds.

I cannot find that time interval between both above instances when Brahmos will take counter measures since according to him At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

What is this guy doing !

Thank You for answering this

You have made my job much easier by answering all these questions. I was dumb founded when our friend @KhanBaba2 inquired which radars can track IR signatures, when the answer is all modern day radars can track it. The Brahmos will be flying high due to its speed, which Ground Based Radars will easily pick up.

Second, i find this statement very perplexing that Brahmos will take evasive maneuvers as it gets close to its target. Brahmos is travelling at a speed of Mach 3, its essentially a fast speed rocket. Simple physics would dictate the faster an object travels, especially a rocket, its maneuverability is severely compromised. How is it going to outmaneuver a CIWS that can fire 4500 rounds/minute.

This isn't the first time that im seeing a troll taking the thread away from its intended purpose to discuss ACM statement. There is always someone who will try to glorify an Indian weapon like it has invincible virtues and there is nothing that can be done to stop it.

Indeed, heard the same thing about the MIGHTY SU30MKI, the COBRA DANCER that can act like a Mini AWAC.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

P

Rafale + Meteor vs Typhoon + Meteor<Pakistan can buy 1 squadron easily> ... shouldn’t take more than 4 billion USD

PAF will make two to three Sqd of JF-17 Block 3 within that amount. They are focusing to meet quality as per Rafale and Meteor

 

[Xestan]

Recently met a few retired PAF high ranking officers, including one of our forum's favourite fighter pilots. They are all of the view (off the record) that AMRAAMs are more than enough to match up with Meteor threat.

Regarding my earlier post, I didn't find time to come to this thread before.

So, AMRAAM's real operational range is not disclosed. And Pakistan has procured hundreds of them and they are enough to defend the skies. Falcons will remain our first line of defence for foreseeable future. We lack in numbers but are trying to fill the gaps with other factors, i.e EW.

What PAF demonstrated on Feb. 27th was technical superiority and IAF will take some time to match that. This is one reason why they didn't field their aircraft after that and went for ballistic missile deployment the same night.

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle

He has mentioned in one of his posts that CIWS are short range. At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

Short range means less time, right ? Is his statement even logical ?

1. Firstly Brahmos wouldn't even know that it has come closer to CIWS, so there is no time left for Brahmos to do anything.
2. Secondly, as soon as Brahmos comes within CIWS range, it will be shredded within seconds.

I cannot find that time interval between both above instances when Brahmos will take counter measures since according to him At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

What is this guy doing !

Evasive measures but what? CIWS are designed in parameters to counter threats respectively. If CIWS are that short ranged; I am confused that how much Brahmos will have to take such evasive measures? Secondly, how long the brahmos will keep on evasive measures since, as you mentioned, almost every Radar will be tracking it? Surely, if there is a competent & quick response CIWS in place, by the time Brahmos employing measures, the counter system will also taking it down. So in the end, it depends which system supersedes others during such face-off and can only be proven once experienced. What I understand from those statements is that speed of Brahmos is the only thing while counter measures with such speed having too little time to take evasive measures especially since CIWS is designed for such threats, itself is sharp and too quick to respond.

Already thread banned for derailment/post of no value.