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I used to believe that our judicial system sucked but why the heck our authorities can't product sufficient charge sheet so that judges can convict these terrorists?They're too busy not doing their duty.Look at FBI it took them few days to hunt down ny bomber and they've already charged him so he will be easily convicted.Why can't our intel and investigation agencies can't product charge sheet so that criminals can be convicted.Otherwise just finish off the suspects which are confirmed terrorists.
 
fundamentalist concepts?

He went to strip clubs.
Fundamentalist concepts doesn't essentially translate to following all the rules word by word. Both you and and I know that such people are two-faced and they feel what their peers don't know about them, won't be hurting them. Going to strip club is his personal call and that is what he would justify as "American way" or something similar.

Yet at the same time, the man was so much obliged to plant a bomb in the busiest place in New York. What do you think you would consider the mindset of such a man to be? Multi-cultural Socialist liberal?

You still either don't understand the meaning of "extremism". Most such would-be and established terrorists have two- or more than two-faces. While they interpret the sternest and the most inhuman laws in the false name of your faith, behind doors they would be certainly enjoying the most perverse of all vices.

If a person's mind can harden enough to kill thousands of people who have done nothing to him, then his mind is capable of any levels of perversion.
 
At this stage, speculation is counter-productive. What matters is that the investigations in both the U.S. and Pakistan are moving forward.
 
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I have NEVER have been called a terrorist in my entire life.

Only people who do say that are my friends, but they are obviously just kidding.

Anyways, why am I not called that? Because I look Spanish.
 
Im amazed ...


DAWN.COM | World | New York car bomb suspect faces terrorism charges

WASHINGTON: A Pakistani-American arrested for the New York car bomb plot will be charged with international terrorism and attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, US officials said Tuesday.

They added they also were pursuing leads on whether the suspect, Faisal Shahzad, had any ties to radical groups in the United States or overseas.

Since he was dramatically pulled off a plane late Monday, bound from New York to Dubai, Shahzad had “provided valuable intelligence and evidence” to investigators, said deputy FBI director John Pistole.

Shahzad was to be charged with “an act of terrorism transcending national borders, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, use of a destructive device during the commission of another crime, as well as assorted explosives charges,” said Attorney General Eric Holder.

“Based on what we know so far, it is clear that this was a terrorist plot aimed at murdering Americans in one of the busiest places in our country,” he added.

Shahzad, a US citizen orginially from Pakistan, was arrested after Saturday's botched car bombing in New York's busy Times Square when he allegedly left a smoking bomb in a parked vehicle.

Holder said Shahzad had admitted involvement in the attack, foiled when a street vendor noticed smoke coming from the car and alerted police.

Pistole told the press conference that Shahzad had been placed on a “no-fly” list in the hours after he was identified as a suspect, which led to him being discovered as he tried to flee the country late Monday.—AFP
 
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Faisal Shahzad: NY car bomber or an innocent Pakistani/Muslim wrongfully apprehended at an airport? | PINDITUBE
Who is Faisal Shahzad? If you look at his picture, he looks like a pretty normal guy, dressed in western apparel, posing with his wife with a soft smile on his face. The only thing about him that may contribute towards the ‘Muslim terrorist’ stereotype is the outline of a beard around his jawline. It’s not even a long, scraggly beard usually associated with extremist ‘terrorists’ – rather just some facial hair to perhaps give his otherwise boyish face a more mature look. He is said to belong to the Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa region of Pakistan, the area which is infamous for harbouring Islamic militants.

According to the officials and their statements, all the evidence is stacked up against him which proves without a doubt that he was involved in the foiled car bombing. But then, there are always gaping holes of information that all doesn’t seem to fit together, some tight-lipped officials and of course, conflicting statements (about how he was on the No Fly list but still was able to board a plane… that too, from a US airport, especially New York which most Pakistani men would be able to tell you, are really not so easy to let such males go by without further questioning or investigation.) Excuse my cynicism, but I have read enough post 9/11 novels and watched enough post 9/11 movies and documentaries on Guantanamo to question whether, without a doubt, Faisal Shahzad is behind this ‘foiled’ car bombing.

The media is giving all the evidence that makes the case seem rock-solid that Faisal Shahzad is undoubtedly behind what could have been an extremely tragic event. But is it really?

Faisal’s father is said to be a retired Pakistan Air Force official. They have a house in Karachi. Faisal himself got his MBA in 2005 from an American university and has been living in the US since 1998, working on Wall Street. I personally know of so many people in my social circle who could fit the same profile, and quite frankly, none of them seem to be harbouring terrorist instincts. Also, the suicide bombers and terrorists within Pakistan have yet to fit this profile. His neighbours who have been approached by reporters and the press to give statements describe him as “intelligent and diligent” but as if he was always “hiding something”. According to the New York Times, “He was trying to cover his tracks, but he left more clues than a guy walking into a bank to rob it without a mask. This guy left everything here but his wallet.” – a statement given by Kevin B. Barry,who “retired in 2002 as a detective in the bomb squad of the New York Police Department, on the car bomb found in Times Square on Saturday night.”

Someone intelligent and diligent would hardly be dumb enough to leave evidence, or would he? What about his family? What do they have to say about this? Does Faisal have a Facebook profile? Can anyone get some information off that? What about his wife? What about Faisal himself? Has anyone been given the chance to defend him? Has he himself been allowed to face the media’s questions to maybe clear his position? Was he the only one at the airport at that time who belonged to Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa and had somewhat of a beard – what could be perhaps taken to be the minimum requirement of a suspect who could be apprehended as a ‘terrorist’? He is said to have made the payment in cash and got the booking done on his way to the airport. What car was he travelling in? Was he travelling alone? Was his wife left behind or had she already left? Was any of the evidence found against him ‘planted’? Has he been tortured into admitting to this act?

In my opinion, all these questions need to be answered as well so that we can have both sides of the story and the complete picture. What I do know, for sure, is that a lot of people in this profile are going to avoid travelling to or from the United States for some time to come, and the ones who are should be mentally prepared to be subjected to even more (if possible) heavier interrogation and humiliation.

Faisal Shahzad: NY car bomber or an innocent Pakistani/Muslim wrongfully apprehended at an airport? | PINDITUBE
 
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And as I said earlier, unlike us who do not prosecute known terrorists and defy laws and legislations for nobody respects the law, documents have already been filed in his case.

Read the complete charges:-

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/05/04/ny.pdf

i think there is a need to clearly define what is terrorism and what isnt

Following incedent was judged *NOT* to be a terrorist attack.. how so one may ask ?


had the guy involved in the IRS building attack even remotely related to Islam or Muslims I bet this would have been judged a terrorist attack... something to think about
 
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I know i will come off as a conspiracy nut but i actually agree with omar.I don't get why a well settled well educated man with a family and comfortable life would do this somethings seems odd also it's happened in the past anyone remember this ?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...7-american-rose-fights-pakistani-husband.html

This was one of the biggest scams to malign pakistan it's interesting to note that ever since then they seem to have completely disappeared from the public eye no news on whether they ever got back to the U.S,no updates on their situation,no new youtube vids, no new information about them on the internet or the media and they have also deleted all their blogs not a single mention of them ever since........
 
WASHINGTON – The no-fly list failed to keep the Times Square suspect off the plane. Faisal Shahzad had boarded a jetliner bound for the United Arab Emirates Monday night before federal authorities pulled him back.

The night's events, gradually coming to light, underscored the flaws in the nation's aviation security system, which despite its technologies, lists and information sharing, often comes down to someone making a right call.

As federal agents closed in, Faisal Shahzad was aboard Emirates Flight 202. He reserved a ticket on the way to John F. Kennedy International Airport, paid cash on arrival and walked through security without being stopped. By the time Customs and Border Protection officials spotted Shahzad's name on the passenger list and recognized him as the bombing suspect they were looking for, he was in his seat and the plane was preparing to leave the gate.

But it didn't. At the last minute, the pilot was notified, the jetliner's door was opened and Shahzad was taken into custody.

After authorities pulled Shahzad off the plane, he admitted he was behind the crude Times Square car bomb, officials said. He also claimed to have been trained at a terror camp in Pakistan's lawless tribal region of Waziristan, according to court documents. That raised increased concern that the bombing was an international terror plot.

Shahzad, a Pakistani-born U.S. citizen, was charged Tuesday with terrorism and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction in Saturday evening's failed Times Square bombing. According to a federal complaint, he confessed to buying an SUV, rigging it with a homemade bomb and driving it into the busy area where he tried to detonate it.

The Obama administration played down the fact that Shahzad, a U.S. citizen born in Pakistan, had made it aboard the plane. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wouldn't talk about it, other than to say Customs officials prevented the plane from taking off. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the security system has fallback procedures in place for times like this, and they worked.

And Attorney General Eric Holder said he "was never in any fear that we were in danger of losing him."

But it seemed clear the airline either never saw or ignored key information that would kept Shahzad off the plane, a fact that dampened what was otherwise hailed as a fast, successful law enforcement operation.

The no-fly list is supposed to mean just that. And Shahzad's name was added to the list early Monday afternoon as a result of breaking developments in the investigation, according to a law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

But when Emirates sold the ticket, it was working off an outdated list. Airline officials would have had to check a Web forum where updates are sent if it were to flag him. Because they didn't, law enforcement officials were not aware of his travel plans until they received the passenger list 30 minutes before takeoff, the official said.

By that time, passengers are usually on board.

Gibbs blamed the airline but emphasized a more positive bottom line: U.S. authorities did get Shahzad on the no-fly list and he never took off.

"There's a series of built-in redundancies, this being one of them," Gibbs said. "If there's a mistake by a carrier, it can be double-checked."

The list is only as good as the nation's intelligence and the experts who analyze it. If a lead is not shared, or if an analyst is unable to connect one piece of information to another, a terrorist could slip onto an airplane because his name is not on the watch list.

Officials allege that's just what took place ahead of the attempted Christmas Day attack on a Detroit-bound jet. In the case of the Times Square suspect, the intelligence process worked: Shahzad's name was on the list, but the airlines didn't check it when he bought his ticket.

Shahzad went through normal airport security before he boarded the plane. He was unarmed and had no explosive material on him when he was arrested.

Emirates did not return repeated calls for comments. Earlier in the day, the company issued a general statement saying it was cooperating with investigators and takes every precaution to ensure its passengers' safety.

The reliance on airlines to check government lists has been a known problem for years. The government has long planned to take over the responsibility for matching passengers to watch lists, but the transition has taken longer than expected. The new program is still in the test phase for domestic airlines and is still months away from beginning with international carriers.

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Associated Press writers Pete Yost, Joan Lowy and Natasha Metzler contributed to this report.
 
Your evidence is indeed incriminating. I bet you are an accomplished investigator.

Remember the guy who shot at BB? This guy :-

Well having a beard is not obligatory. Wearing Hijab for a woman is obligatory in Islam. I bet if you had pictures of those men's wives they would have some kind of cloth covering their hair atleast.

Take a look at the NYC bomber and his wife and child. If he was an extremist islamist fundamentalist he would make his wife wear hijab. He was definately a westernized Pakistani-American and so is his family. Looks like a normal average AMERICAN couple with their child.

By the way, the beard he has many young Pakistani guys have that and its not for religious reasons just a fashion thats very common among young Pakistani guys.


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Its an embarassment , we need to offer full support to US authorities to get to the bottom of this incident.
 
Pakistan's lawless tribal region of Waziristan

This is were all the s.h.i.t in pakistan comes from and goes to hide it shouldnt be LAWLESS area any more any body objecting to it should be allowed a free passage to Afghanistan.
 
Unbelievable, AVM Bahar Ul Haq's son, I can't believe it. He's such a nice guy, this just a setup they picked on a guy just to create more havoc and misery for Pakistan.
 
WASHINGTON –

After authorities pulled Shahzad off the plane, he admitted he was behind the crude Times Square car bomb, officials said. He also claimed to have been trained at a terror camp in Pakistan's lawless tribal region of Waziristan, according to court documents. That raised increased concern that the bombing was an international terror plot.

Shahzad, a Pakistani-born U.S. citizen, was charged Tuesday with terrorism and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction in Saturday evening's failed Times Square bombing. According to a federal complaint, he confessed to buying an SUV, rigging it with a homemade bomb and driving it into the busy area where he tried to detonate it.

The Obama administration played down the fact that Shahzad, a U.S. citizen born in Pakistan, had made it aboard the plane. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano wouldn't talk about it, other than to say Customs officials prevented the plane from taking off. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the security system has fallback procedures in place for times like this, and they worked.

The highlighted part is worrisome.

All roads invariably lead to Rome.
 

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