Captured CST Terrorist

[SurvivoR]

i liked this site,though being a pakistani one.but gradually it's getting filthier day by day,I pledge to senior members like Sir.Muradk et al to infuse some real intellect into the discussion or I'LL LOSE PATIENCE AND DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO PDF.

PERIOD.

JAI HIND.

What makes you think it is getting filthier day by day? Why are you threatening to hack this forum too?

 

[rubyjackass]

Ruby : Seeing the amount of change of story from the Indian sources, Pakistani ship on Indian coast, Korean ship on Indian coast, paddling story, no photos of the kidnappers, than finding Kasab .. still no other killed guy is recognized and than the consular story.

None of it has been officially given to Pakistan, all is via media, GOP (Govt. of Pakistan) has a several times asked for proof including joint investigation (one of the requests at the time of Samjhota express too), but until now Indian govt. has done nothing on this front.

Hence, why should the Pakistani govt. acknowledge Kasab's identity.

Don't forget Pakistan is not blocking any international media from coming into it's country .. India did ban live CNN coverage !

Also the claim of the lawyer is not from GOP but independent. According to him he is a NGO ; I have not a clue on the authenticity of the guy, I am sure he will be ripped apart from the media after his claims !

Thats exactly what GoI's fear might be. They would erase evidence as was reported about Faridkot.

About the CNN ban, please provide links to sources. I don't think its true. But there was a mob which reportedly troubled the reporter Sara Sidner.
CNN Anchor Threatened By Mumbai Mob (VIDEO)
That can be attributed to the emotions of the crowd and some were apparently drunk.

The only exception of control on media being the security forces asked the media not to give live feed from the operation(especially one side of the building where the forces were entering Taj, guess thats south). This was because the militants were able to see and know what happened outside until communication links were severed.

Nothing was said negatively about the lawyer anywhere(was it?).

About the first para of your arguement, the people involved might not be clear about the modus operandus of the terrorists. Investigations were still going on when first reports came in.

 

[Neo]

i liked this site,though being a pakistani one.but gradually it's getting filthier day by day,I pledge to senior members like Sir.Muradk et al to infuse some real intellect into the discussion or I'LL LOSE PATIENCE AND DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO PDF.
PERIOD.

JAI HIND.

What is this? Are you threatning us?

 

[Awesome]

What is this? Are you threatning us?

Admission of a crime?

 

[Flintlock]

Oooh yes .. I am sure his breaved wife has understanding on the same level, as initially she refused to meet Indian officials !

Learn to get your facts straight. Preferably not from Zaid Hamid.

 

[Goodperson]

US investigators say Ajmal Kasab is Pak national

Press Trust of India Posted: Dec 16, 2008 at 1729 hrs

Islamabad: American investigators who questioned Ajmal Amir Iman, the lone terrorist captured during the Mumbai attack, are convinced he is a Pakistani national and that the terrorist strike was planned and executed by the Lashkar-e-Toiba, diplomatic sources said on Tuesday.
Investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation were given access to Ajmal for nine hours and after questioning him, they came to the conclusion that he was a Pakistani national as contended by Indian authorities, the sources told PTI.

The sources, familiar with the probe being conducted by the FBI team dispatched to Mumbai, said American investigators were also convinced that the Mumbai attacks were intricately planned and directed by the LeT leaders based in Pakistan.

"The investigators believe the attacks were planned, coordinated and directed from Pakistan by LeT leaders," a source said.

These findings fit in with comments by top American leaders like Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Admiral Mike Mullen, the senior-most US military official, who have asked Pakistan to take quick action against "non-state actors" based on Pakistani soil who were linked to the Mumbai attacks.

Though Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has ruled out allowing the British police to quiz the suspects Pakistan had detained in connection with the Mumbai attacks, the diplomatic sources said it would be hard pressed to take such a stance if the FBI made a similar request as India had already given American investigators access to Ajmal.

The diplomatic sources also provided other details of the FBI investigation that had convinced the US of the complicity of the LeT in the terrorist strike.

American investigators were able to extract details of calls made by the terrorists involved in the Mumbai attacks to their LeT handlers in Pakistan by using sophisticated technology to examine the burnt and damaged mobile phones of the attackers, the sources said.

These phones, which were damaged in gun battles between the terrorists and security forces, were provided to the FBI team by Indian law enforcement agencies, they said. The US dispatched an investigating team to Mumbai as six Americans were among the 183 people killed in the attacks. Ajmal was captured shortly after he and another terrorist struck at a major railway terminus in India's financial hub.

Indian officials said he was a member of the LeT and belonged to Faridkot village in Pakistan's Punjab province. Ajmal's father subsequently admitted to a Pakistani newspaper that the gunman whose pictures were beamed around the world by the media was his son.

Other residents of Faridkot have said that Ajmal last visited the village about five to six months ago, when he told his mother he was going away for 'jehad'.

The Pakistan government has said it is awaiting information and evidence from India to confirm the identity and nationality of Ajmal.

The sources also said the FBI investigators had found no evidence of linkages between the 26/11 attacks and the ISI.

US investigators say Ajmal Kasab is Pak national - Express India

 

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E-mails after Mumbai terror attack was sent from Pak: Fadia



Hyderabad, Dec 16(PTI) The email claiming the responsibility for the November 26 Mumbai terror strikes was sent from Pakistan and not from Russia, said ethical hacker and cyber security expert Ankit Fadia.
Initially a report had said the e-mail has been traced to a fictitious IP address in Russia. But some hawkish elements in Pakistan sent these mails through proxy-servers of Russia and Saudi Arabia, Fadia told reporters here.

The mail was sent by terror outfit "Deccan Mujahideen" claiming responsibility of the Mumbai carnage followed by mails threatening to carry out more attacks in Indian.

Fadia said he has been regularly consulted by security agencies for breaking encrypted messages and this time too, the Mumbai Police consulted him to trace these mails which were sent soon after the Mumbai terror attacks.

The Navi Mumbai Police department had earlier consulted him to trace the terror email sent just a few minutes before the Ahmedabad serial blasts in August this year, he said.

Fadia, who is here to attend a seminar, said that globally, there's been a tremendous rise in cyber crime--almost a ten-fold increase in the last five years.

"The threat from cyber terrorism is very real. But there is very little response from the government. India is not yet fully prepared for such an attack," he said.

"A single computer intrusion through cyber terrorism can within minutes cause losses amounting to millions of dollars," he said. It is high time, the Centre initiates concrete measures in this regard, Fadia said. PTI


http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/E1E50684784E999065257521004FE642?OpenDocument

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

^^ oh wow! this must be the "all the evidence points towards Pakistan" thing, right? oh yeah, you can also remind us how the Pakistani terrorists always manage to bring their National ID (Shanakhti) cards which are always found conveniently in their pockets, I suppose the ISI wants to leave their signature on their art.

 

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Pak Intel no longer supports terrorists'
Pakistan's President says that the country's powerful military intelligence no longer backs militants involved in terror activities.
15 Aralık 2008 Pazartesi 21:45
"There is no supportive interaction with our intelligence (agencies) and the Lashkar-e-Taiba happens to be a banned organization in Pakistan," Asif Ali Zardari said in an interview with News Week magazine, referring to the terror group India has blamed for planning and carrying out the Mumbai terror attacks.

He said the links between the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Lashkar were developed 'in the old days when dictators (military rulers) used to run the country'. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, 'things have changed to a great extent', Zardari added

Zardari noted his wife, late Benazir Bhutto, had always believed intelligence agencies should have nothing to do with politics. "Since I have been in government, we've had a stated position that ISI has no political role anymore," he emphasized.

The Pakistani President denied reports that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had asked Pakistan to arrest 'some people', particularly former ISI head Hamid Gul.

Gul was 'definitely not in our good books', he said, but added the retired general was not accused in the Mumbai terrorist attacks last month. “He is more of a political ideologue of terror rather than a physical supporter," the president said.

Asked if he thought his government could shut Lashkar down, the president said: "Nobody will be allowed to use Pakistan soil for any form of aggression toward any friend or foe."

Zardari said the group is been banned in Pakistan, but such groups 'keep re-emerging in different forms'.

Pakistan has denied any government connection to the coordinated attacks on Nov. 26-29, in which 10 gunmen targeted Mumbai's luxurious hotels and tourist attractions with automatic weapons and hand grenades in a 60-hour terror spree, killing nearly 200 people and injuring almost 300.

Zardari told the magazine that India has given very little information to Pakistan on the probe into the Mumbai attacks, but insisted that if elements in Pakistan were found involved, Pakistan would take action against them.

Zardari also made it clear that the civilian government intends to exert its supremacy over Pakistan's intelligence agencies and the powerful army.

Replying to a question on whether he or the army controlled Pakistan, Zardari said: "Democracy controls Pakistan. All the players today understand that democracy is the only way."

Gaziantep haber, haberler, haberleri, online haber HABER, haber, haberl [ 'Pak Intel no longer supports terrorists' ]

 

[Flintlock]

^^ oh wow! this must be the "all the evidence points towards Pakistan" thing, right? oh yeah, you can also remind us how the Pakistani terrorists always manage to bring their National ID (Shanakhti) cards which are always found conveniently in their pockets, I suppose the ISI wants to leave their signature on their art.

That's right - the stuff that's used to prosecute - also known as evidence - points to Pakistan.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

That's right - the stuff that's used to prosecute - also known as evidence - points to Pakistan.

oh yes!!! that's why we always leave it in our pockets for you to find, in hopes of you prosecuting us. you know what, why don't we throw in a big sign taped to our heads, "HEY WORLD, LOOK AT US, WE'RE FROM PAKISTAN!"

 

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Shouldn't babus' heads roll too, asks Pawar




NCP leader Sharad Pawar said that bureaucrats should also be held accountable for the Mumbai attack just like the politicians were.


New Delhi: The Cabinet cleared the federal agency and tougher amendments to the existing law to tackle Terror but was learnt to have unanimously rejected the proposal for a tough new anti-terror law seeking provisions for unlimited detention.

The Cabinet put on hold an “open proposal” for a tough terror law put forth by Home Minister Chidamabaram to signal the Centre’s seriousness on countering terrorism. The proposal, which sought unlimited detention, did not find favour with a majority of the ministers including Pranab Mukherjee and Law Minister H. R. Bhardwaj.

The Home Minister, sources said, was asked to “refine” and bring a revised proposal factoring in the concerns raised by most Cabinet members.

UPA allies Lalu Prasad Yadav and Ramvilas Paswan Lalu are learnt to have made it clear that any new law should not have two provisions: one, putting the onus on the accused to prove his innocence, and, two, allowing confessions before the police to be used as evidence, both of which were part of POTA.

Mukherjee and Bhardwaj acknowledged their concerns. “There have been instances of misuse of similar kind of provisions and thereby we should be careful”, Mukherjee was learnt to have said. Bhardwaj added: “I doubt whether some of the provisions will be acceptable in the court.”

Some ministers were learnt to have suggested whether similar tough measures could be incorporated by amending some existing laws by adding appropriately defined “terrorist acts” under their ambit. After patiently hearing out these suggestions, Chidambaram reportedly assured them that their suggestions would be incorporated.

It was only after this that NCP leader Sharad Pawar raised the issue of bureaucrats being held accountable with politicians. “Politicians have been punished for the Mumbai terror attack but what about bureaucrats occupying accountable positions? Don’t they own responsibility? Why have they not been taken to task?” Pawar asked in the presence of National Security Advisor M. K. Narayanan and Home Secretary Madhukar Gupta at the meeting.

Pawar’s demand found support from many Cabinet colleagues that led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to direct the Cabinet Secretary to take note of it. The Cabinet Secretary is heading a probe into possible intelligence lapses.

CPI general secretary A B Bardhan had also raised this issue at the all-party meeting convened by the Prime Minister after the Mumbai terror attack and CPM MP Mohammad Salim pointed it out during the debate over terror in the Lok Sabha.

Shouldn't babus' heads roll too, asks Pawar

 

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Attacks, 'blessing in disguise': Hinduja
Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC


Speaking to this correspondent from Mumbai, Hinduja, who spoke emotionally how his father came to Mumbai in 1914 at the age of 14 from Shikarpur, Sindh, which is now in Pakistan, and made Mumbai "our adopted home for people like us who were Stateless," and from there launched his vision to trade with Iran, Iraq, and other Gulf countries, said he was especially glad that the terror attacks "have mobilised our youth like never before."

"For the first time I see in Mumbai, and also all over India, they (the youth) have come together collectively and with a unified voice have challenged the top -- the ineffective politicians," he said. "Politicians are to blame for creating all this evil," which, he argued, had its beginnings during the Cold War.

"These things have been deeply rooted from the time of the Cold War," Hinduja said, "and these are the by-products of the old battle between capitalism and socialism. During the Cold War the politicians were responsible for creating these evils because both sides were in a race to use any means necessary to train this kind of evil for their ends and they split the world in two."

However, he said, now "for the first time, the whole world has been concerned," because it has hit close to home to everybody and implied that perhaps it was so because in this attack several nationalities who were killed and injured, including those from the West.

"After the first bomb blasts (on March 12, 1993) in Mumbai, no one even bothered. The Western world did not react, did not feel it, but now, all over the world, they know how deep and painful it is and how much a global threat this evil of terrorism is."

Thus, Hinduja said, "Now is the time that the developed world has the opportunity to put their collective strength and where the United States of America can again lead along with the UK, Russia [Images], Europe, Russia, China and India."

And, he said, all these countries had to work together to eradicate this evil and it involved not just combating the scourge of terrorism, but also alleviating poverty, resurrecting the failed institutions that had led to the spawning of radical and fanatical ideologies "because one cannot blame any one individual or community or religion."

"This is a collective global problem and this global evil has spread all over the world and the problems have accumulated over the decades and so we have to find global solutions," he added.

While it is imperative to apprehend the perpetrators of this attack and those who were behind this conspiracy and bring them to justice, Hinduja said at a more broader and long-term level, the strategy should be to wean these disaffected and radicalised youth "and handle them very skillfully while at the same time solve their social and community problems that made them fodder for these evil activities in the first place."

He acknowledged that "it cannot happen overnight," because debriefing these radicalised youth from the brainwashing they have received was not going to be easy and has to be done through a series of anti-poverty and educational programmes, "and this is why all the countries that I mentioned have to work together, otherwise we will continue to keep facing these problems over and over again and these kinds of attacks will not be a surprise."

Hinduja also blamed the contemporary entertainment culture as being inimical "and not constructive and good for the human race," and said it was from these entertainment programmes that these terrorists had "learnt how to do these kinds of attacks -- where you saw 10 people or five people or two people can create this kind of havoc."

"So all of this has to be reversed and they have to be brought back to the original track," he said.

He felt the crass materialism that has run rampant "where everything has been about the short-term strategy to make money, spend money, throw money, waste money, instead of using that money for the social infrastructure and the basic social programmes like health and education -- which is the basic right of every human being -- has led to a kind of indifference and apathy about those less fortunate."

This is why, he reiterated, the Mumbai attacks "is a blessing in disguise because now everyone is aware, especially the youth that all these systems have to change and be brought to a credible position and they have come out with a loud voice to challenge those at the top, whether it is the political leaders, whether it is those with this high net-worth, interested only in making money, and whether it is the strategists, who have all been responsible for this evil which has grown -- and has no doubt come from the top."

"We have to change this lifestyle, which has been spoilt by quick bucks -- finding short cuts to make money and the wrong kind of entertainment," he said.

Hinduja argued India's political structure had to be overhauled and said if only "economist and technocrats like (Prime Minister) Dr Manmohan Singh [Images] -- these type of people who are above board could come together and keep the politicians aside," India could have the kind of leadership whose first priority would be the people of the country and their well-being and not their own vested, narrow political interests.

"It is the politicians who are to blame for creating all this evil and now it has to be set right," he said, and hoped that the awakening in the aftermath of the horrific Mumbai attacks would not be in vain, especially where the youth of the country are concerned.

Hinduja, in re-emphasising how important it was the United States to take the lead in this global awakening, said, President-elect "Barack Obama [Images] mentioned that he would like to bring about change and whatever he said in his campaign, we request him that India is a good model for him and along with India he should induct all these other big countries who have been the victim of this kind of evil, but are democracies, to bring about this change."

Asked if the terror attacks would have negative financial implications for Mumbai, Hinduja shrugged off any such concerns. "Investments are not going to be impacted. This is going to be a short-term memory," where investments are concerned.

"You saw during 9/11, people thought that the United States once and for all is gone from the road map, but people have forgotten 9/11, and they have become stronger and firmer to face much more challenges," he asserted. "Similarly, India has shown in the past, whether it is about bomb blasts, or whether in our history, where there have been a lot of invasions -- India has been invaded by terror and all kinds of monsters and savages -- but you have seen how India's culture and traditions, which are so deep-rooted, have survived and the democratic system has survived."

"So, these things are short memory," Hinduja added, "and they are forgotten after a few weeks, months and people get back to their normal life."

Attacks, 'blessing in disguise': Hinduja

 

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JuD's religious schools will not be closed: Pak
Tuesday, 16 December , 2008, 08:13

Islamabad: Religious schools run by the Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD), proscribed by the UN Security Council last week and facing a crackdown, will not be closed, Pakistani authorities maintained on Monday even as President Asif Ali Zaradari will on Tuesday meet coalition partners to discuss the "tense situation" in the wake of the Mumbai terrorist attacks.

Security agencies continued raids to arrest more JuD leaders. Officials said two important JuD leaders are in Saudi Arabia to perform Haj and might not return to Pakistan to avoid arrest.

JuD, Hafiz Saeed added to UN terror list

Without giving their names, a JuD activist said though many of their leaders had gone for Haj, there are two "important and leading" personalities who may go to some other country.

An official of the interior ministry said that mosques and religious schools belonging to JuD were not being sealed and those already sealed by the police will be opened after primary investigations.

The officials, not wishing to be identified, said the JuD runs more than 500 schools and mosques and some of them were sealed by the police but will be reopened "soon". JuD chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and other top leaders have already been placed under house arrest or sent to different jails.

JuD headquarters still open in Pak

JuD spokesman Abdullah Muntazir said that it was difficult to give exact number of people arrested so far but feared that there number may be more than 100. "Several of our workers at district and city levels have been arrested and all communication network has been disbanded so its difficult to give the number", he said.

The JuD is considered a front for the militant outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, suspected by India to be behind the November 26 Mumbai terrorist attack that claimed more than 170 lives. At a special meeting last week, the UN Security Council proscribed the outfit.

Ban of JuD, an important step by Pak: US

Meanwhile, President Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani met at the presidency on Monday and decided to call a meeting of the coalition partners, officials said. The Pakistan People's Party (PPP)-led coalition includes seven regional and national parties including the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz of former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

The meeting will be followed by a special cabinet session Gilani has called on Wednesday after reports in the American media that India could strike inside Pakistan, targeting the JuD centre at Muredke near Lahore.

Informed sources said Zardari and Gilani discussed India-Pakistan relations in the wake of the November 26 Mumbai terror attacks, geo-strategic security issues, and national and global political developments.

Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi, who was in Paris for a meeting on the Afghanistan crisis, said Pakistan wanted to resolve the issue through dialogue and was cooperating with India in every respect.


Qureshi said Pakistan had offered to join investigations in the Mumbai attacks and was willing to a delegation to chalk out a joint strategy against terrorism.

The minister said that Pakistan had imposed a ban on the JuD in accordance with a Un Security Council resolution. "Its offices have been sealed and leaders have been arrested," he told mediapersons.

 

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Mumbai attacks had roots in Pak: Swedish Foreign Minister

Islamabad (PTI): Sweden on Wednesday threw its weight behind the contention of India and major powers like the US and Britain that the Mumbai terror attacks had their roots in Pakistan and sought more effective steps to prevent recurrence of such incidents.

"I think it's fairly obvious from the information that's available to me that the attack was based on Pakistani soil," Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said after a meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi here.

With terrorists operating "across the borders", Pakistan needs to fight them with "effective, rapid and active measures" initiated in close cooperation with other states. "And this is particularly appropriate after the Mumbai terror attack which obviously had its (origin) on Pakistani soil," Bildt told a joint news conference.

When Qureshi was asked a question about India "incriminating Pakistan" in the Mumbai attacks without any concrete evidence, Bildt interjected to say that the information available with him made it obvious that the attacks originated from Pakistani soil.

It was not a question of incriminating Pakistan but of individuals, Bildt pointed out. Pakistan or its government are not being held responsible for "criminal acts done by people on the territory of that particular nation" but Islamabad would have to act to tackle such elements, he said.

In response to another question about the UN Security Council's declaration of JuD, the front organisation of the Lashker-e-Taiba blamed for the Mumbai attacks, as a terrorist group, Bildt said he was convinced about the world body's decision to crack down on certain individuals and entities in Pakistan.

"The information and the indications that have been made available to me, that I have been briefed about not by the government of India are fairly conclusive and I have no doubt that they (India) will produce evidence concerning the responsibility (for the Mumbai attacks)," Bildt said.

It was the international duty of all countries to take action against organisations and individuals seen as supporting terrorism, he said.

Describing Pakistan, Afghanistan and India as the countries "most heavily affected" by terrorism, he said there is a need to strengthen global commitment and cooperation to fight the menace "that is fundamentally directed against our democratic societies".

Bildt parried a question about the involvement of Indian elements in last year's bombing of Samjhauta Express by saying the two countries should "avoid getting into a blame game". Action should be taken in all terrorist attacks, he said.

Qureshi said Pakistan has complied with its international obligations under the UN Security Council resolution by arresting JuD leaders and closing down its offices.

Pakistan is "still awaiting concrete evidence from India" regarding the Mumbai attacks, he said, adding the country is willing to cooperate "to unearth the culprits and people responsible for this ghastly act".

Qureshi said two "constructive" proposals made by Pakistan are still on the table a joint investigation to express Islamabad's commitment to fight terrorism, and a high- level delegation led by the Foreign Minister for an India visit to work out modalities for a joint probe. Pakistan is yet to hear from India on these proposals, he said.

India had only made public evidence through the media, he said. "There are diplomatic channels for that and those diplomatic channels are open. We would welcome India to give us leads into the Mumbai incidents and we will follow those leads to get to the bottom of the story."

The Hindu News Update Service