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[TankMan]

what did i just read??

An intentionally humorous and sarcastic comment.

i don't pray yet it is some haji's who contracted mers virus in saudia.

Maybe they didn't pray enough to protect them from MERS.

 

[jamahir]

He was being sarcastic!

Secondly, There was an incident with a course mate of mine, someone in his platoon got shot by a sniper, while praying. In your opinion, was that an honorable death?

the point of honor arises because he was on the right side, not because he was praying.

Maybe they didn't pray enough to protect them from MERS.

lovely...

 

[Indus Falcon]

the point of honor arises because he was on the right side, not because he was praying.

You are clueless about Islam aren't you?

 

[TankMan]

lovely

Notice the smiley at the end of that sentence? It is lovely indeed.

 

[jamahir]

You are clueless about Islam aren't you?

if islam means the "teachings" of khomenei and tableeghi jamaat, then i prefer to be clueless until death.

 

[Indus Falcon]

if islam means the "teachings" of khomenei and tableeghi jamaat, then i prefer to be clueless until death.

I pray not. May the eternal being guide you and me, to the right path.

Islamic laws were laid down 1400+ years ago, and haven't changed for those, to whom they matter.

 

[TankMan]

All western countries including UK are actually either constitutionaly secular like France or by practice are secular like UK. There are varying degrees within the conception of secularism but rest assured not one of them remotely comes anywhere close to a Islamic republic.

And? I never denied any of that. No point bringing it up.

My point here is simple, millions on millions of Muslims are quite happy to live in, swim in, drink in, born in, marry in, brought up in secular west but the moment secularism is mentioned in context of Pakistan arms go flinging up in disgust.

No, arms don't go flinging up in disgust. Not my arms. My mouth simply moves to express, in words, my disagreement with the proposition. Millions upon millions of Pakistani Muslims who do not want to go to the west also exist and make up the majority of Pakistan. A few expats can not dictate how a nation-state runs itself.

Living in non Islamic secular states seems acceptable but same thing becomes radioctive corrosive in context of Pakistan.

Because Pakistan is a majority Muslim nation - secularizing it means forcing that majority to accept secularism, whereas currently they have the option of not living in non-Islamic secular states.

The entire point of Pakistan, or any nation-state, is that the people can be governed however they like. If you do not like the way other Pakistanis want themselves to be governed, you are free to leave - but the entire nation will not change at the demands of a minority; that's how nation-states and democracies work.

Is it just me that sees the schizophrenic thinking and beguiling hypocracy in this ?

And here's where the borderline fascistic pseudo-liberalism comes into play; something as bad as religious extremism, only less prevalent.

There is no ''schizophrenic thinking'' and no ''beguiling hypocrisy'' in this. We are fine with other nations being non-Islamic as long as we have the option to return to our own and find it being governed in the way we want it to, which means with religion.

I reiterate: my opposition to secularism (in Pakistan) is based on two, perfectly rational factors.
The first being that disassociating religion from law, for example legalizing drugs and alcohol, would not be viewed favorably by the majority.

The second being that abandoning religion would mean surrendering it to terrorists; it means we accept that religion is wrong and violent. We do not want to do that, since we do not accept that religion is wrong and violent, because it isn't.

If you still believe this reasoning to be 'schizophrenic', too bad because that is just your opinion.

 

[Indus Falcon]

blind hatred towards what??

and me, jamahir, having inferiority complex??

When you post a picture of Syria and compare it to Karachi, this is exactly what it shows, whether you admit it or not. Sometimes thinking, before you post, helps!

janaab, that chap can pray luxuriously because pakistan is not in a four-year-old transnational war... and in a situation like libya and syria, i would recommend you shooting that fellow because it will be his demonstrative types doing the terrorism.

I don't remember Govt of Pakistan, Pakistan Army, or Pakistan Rangers asking for your opinion!

 

[jamahir]

I pray not. May the eternal being guide you and me, to the right path.

Islamic laws were laid down 1400+ years ago, and haven't changed for those, to whom they matter.

you must say these nice words to the bones of those 150,000+ libyans and 200,000+ syrians who were sliced, cut, hanged, electrocuted, lynched, burnt, barbequed, raped ( and repeat cycle ) etc since 2011 by such enlightened and true-path "muslims" like ikhwaan, taliban, hamas, jemah, shabaab, qaeda, isis, hizb...

shall we pray then for pakistan to very soon meet these enlightened ones??

 

[Indus Falcon]

you must say these nice words to the bones of those 150,000+ libyans and 200,000+ syrians who were sliced, cut, hanged, electrocuted, lynched, burnt, barbequed, raped ( and repeat cycle ) etc since 2011 by such enlightened and true-path "muslims" like ikhwaan, taliban, hamas, jemah, shabaab, qaeda, isis, hizb...

shall we pray then for pakistan to very soon meet these enlightened ones??

Are you mad?

 

[jamahir]

Are you mad?

no, calm, logical, disappointed.

 

[rockstar08]

No Wonder why we " Muslims " are in this Condition ...

well a Person can not offer Prayer, cause terrorist will attack on the very moment when he start his prayer , so basically they are watching him , as soon as he start they will attack ..

i dont want to give any Caption for this Picture but i would like to Pray for those lost souls who believe that their Duty is Above Allah ...

one time a scholar told me that Islam does not offer much in this worldly life, every reward you get will be in Afterlife , so whatever you do , worship , good deeds , been honest and etc will be rewarded as Heaven , but if people have thinking that Salah is not Important , but a person has to stand on the road , and guard with many people already guarding ..
Our lives and Deaths is not in our hand .. basic concept of Islam , Life and death is in the hands on Allah , either someone protecting you or not , when your time comes ,you will die ..example Look at Benazir, when her time comes , she died , she was protected by some 2000+ Security guys , who are highly alert and non of them were praying ..

One ranger guy offer his prayer , while his fellow were standing alerted , there is no wrong in that ... but really i feel very sorry for people and Pray that Allah will guide them to the right path ..

 

[Indus Falcon]

When you [believers] are traveling in the land, you will not be blamed for shortening your prayers, if you fear the disbelievers may harm you: they are your sworn enemies. (4:101) When you [Prophet] are with the believers, leading them in prayer, let a group of them stand up in prayer with you, taking their weapons with them, and when they have finished their prostration, let them take up their positions at the back. Then let the other group, who have not yet prayed, pray with you, also on their guard and armed with their weapons: the disbelievers would dearly like you to be heedless of your weapons and baggage, in order for them to take you in a single assault. You will not be blamed if you lay aside your arms when you are overtaken by heavy rain or illness, but be on your guard. Indeed, God has prepared a humiliating punishment for the disbelievers. (4:102) After performing the ritual prayer, continue to remember God –– standing, sitting, and lying on your sides –– and once you are safe, keep up regular prayer, for prayer is obligatory for the believers at prescribed times. (Quran 4:103)

 

[syedali73]

I care least what Indians said here for what else they'd have said if not what they did but reaction from some Pakistani members was kind of disappointing. It was even said that Namaz was skipped during Ghazwat whereas it is documented that Muslims used to pray in smaller groups even in the heat of the battle if possible. Allamaq Iqbal has so beautifully pointed towards this in his following stanza of Shikwa:

Muslims in general are emotional, and Pakistanis in particular. Passing judgments based on a single 2D picture and questioning the commitment of the particular soldier was kind of too harsh.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And? I never denied any of that. No point bringing it up.


No, arms don't go flinging up in disgust. Not my arms. My mouth simply moves to express, in words, my disagreement with the proposition. Millions upon millions of Pakistani Muslims who do not want to go to the west also exist and make up the majority of Pakistan. A few expats can not dictate how a nation-state runs itself.


Because Pakistan is a majority Muslim nation - secularizing it means forcing that majority to accept secularism, whereas currently they have the option of not living in non-Islamic secular states.

The entire point of Pakistan, or any nation-state, is that the people can be governed however they like. If you do not like the way other Pakistanis want themselves to be governed, you are free to leave - but the entire nation will not change at the demands of a minority; that's how nation-states and democracies work.


And here's where the borderline fascistic pseudo-liberalism comes into play; something as bad as religious extremism, only less prevalent.

There is no ''schizophrenic thinking'' and no ''beguiling hypocrisy'' in this. We are fine with other nations being non-Islamic as long as we have the option to return to our own and find it being governed in the way we want it to, which means with religion.

I reiterate: my opposition to secularism (in Pakistan) is based on two, perfectly rational factors.
The first being that disassociating religion from law, for example legalizing drugs and alcohol, would not be viewed favorably by the majority.

The second being that abandoning religion would mean surrendering it to terrorists; it means we accept that religion is wrong and violent. We do not want to do that, since we do not accept that religion is wrong and violent, because it isn't.

If you still believe this reasoning to be 'schizophrenic', too bad because that is just your opinion.

We will discuss this subject when I have more time - I look forward to your input. Alcohol or drugs can be banned on their qualifiers as you probably drugs are regulated in Christian, secular, Buddhist, Shinto societies. Anyway we leave this for some other time ...